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The Big & Dandy 2C-E Thread (Second Edition)

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I'm not sure how you arrived at the conclusion that it's easy on the mind... though it can be, many people report extreme mental intensity. I definitely do not recommend it as a first-time psychedelic. 2C-I or 2C-B would be much better. 2C-E is likely to be much too intense for a first time.
 
ztz said:
Hello, this is my first post here and I've been reading quite a bit.

Would you consider 2C-E to be a good psychedelic for a first timer who has only done marijuana?
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I like 2C-E but would not at all recommend it as a psychedelic introduction - it can be quite heavy on the psyche, in a challenging way that is way more easy to appreciate if one has taken mushrooms, 2C-B or even LSD before. Also one can become very conscious of the bodyload. While it doesn't feature an extremely long duration compared to much other stuff around right now, I think it's not optimal compared to 2C-B or mushrooms or 4-HO-MET or something.

Hope it helps out and enjoy your trip whatever it turns out to be
 
2C-I would probably be the best bet for a beginner, in my opinion. I've never seen anyone have problems with thought loops, confusion, or anxiety the way 2C-E can sometimes cause. 2C-E can be extremely difficult for even very experienced trippers, so tread carefully.
 
Delta-9-THC said:
2C-E is actually pretty mentally intense and can have a pretty significant body load with lots of nausea. It would be one of the last psychs I would give to a beginner to be honest.

That said, I don't think it's a horrible idea, there are just a lot of other chemicals that are better for a first timer.
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Exactly, a beginner should NEVER take any RC their first time. Why scare someone from psychedelics, plus RC's are generally considered inferior to LSD and mushrooms by hippies and smart drug users.
 
killo said:
RC's are generally considered inferior to LSD and mushrooms by hippies and smart drug users.
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Not to get off-topic, but while I agree that mushrooms are superior to any and all synthetics, this is a very silly way to characterize the situation.

"hippies" and "smart drug users" are often at opposite ends of the spectrum. In fact, all of the most appalling psychedelic abuse I've witnessed has been perpetrated by self-described "hippies".

In any case, 2C-E is (for me) every bit as quality as LSD, in some ways superior (aesthetically), in some ways inferior (emotionally), but in the end neither attains precedence :)
 
^Agreed. 2C-E is in many ways on par with LSD (particularly in the visual department) or even superior (Color, texture).

It's just that it has rough edges that LSD does not which is why LSD is a much better choice for a beginner.
 
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See, to me psychedelics need everything in the "spectrum" to be a true psychedelic.

Mushrooms and LSD both are intellectual, emotional, spiritual, visual, creative trips.

2c-x and DOx to me are purely for "fun", I know what you mean by more "aesthetic". I even find that while LSD is more trippy, far out ect. I find RC's visuals are pleasing in their own way.

LSD's visuals are harder to fully appreciate cause you're constantly going on a rollercoaster, while on DOx I can fully take in the visuals even though they are extremely intricate and beautiful at times they are also very "static" and don't really go anywhere like LSD.

I've had better trips on DOx whenever I took them not expecting a psychedelic trip. Whenever I take them expecting a psychedelic trip, I always get let down and end up feeling depressed and worthless/stupid during the trip cause I expected something on the lines of LSD/mushies/LSA and all I got was stimulation, creative thoughts, euphoria BUT also a lack of true emotion.

I want to feel alive!

It's just that it has rough edges that LSD does not which is why LSD is a much better choice for a beginner.
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Yea but if you've never tried LSD before then 2c-e might be a bad choice regardless if it has "rougher edges" or not. It's like, 2c-e has visuals that are different but psychedelic doesn't = visual.

Psychedelics go far beyond just sensory experiences, and that's what people report 2c-e and ect. mostly as.

LSD trips can take you far beyond your own mind. That right there is more mind blowing than watching cliche RC-style fractals move on a surface.

Lol, I always liked LSD visuals because instead of feeling "cliche" or "like I've seen this before". It is always like "well this is being created from my mind, there's nothing cliche about this. It's pure creativity".

LSD <3
 
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YMMV. 2C-E is quite unique for me and is nothing like the other 2C-X I have tried (I and C) which I found to be somewhat shallow and uninteresting comparatively. They are fun though for sure. 2C-E on the other hand is less recreational and more "serious". LSD can be both, it's very versatile like that.

Edit: Anyway, I would suggest 4-Aco-DMT for a beginner if you can obtain it. Shorter duration, very little body load and extremely impressive mentally and visually (IME).
 
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killo said:
Lol, I always liked LSD visuals because instead of feeling "cliche" or "like I've seen this before". It is always like "well this is being created from my mind, there's nothing cliche about this. It's pure creativity".
LSD <3
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That's funny, I've always felt the opposite. LSD for me is repetitive and dull, and I always need at least 4-5 hits to get any visuals at all. It might be my brain chemistry, my friends often take similar doses from the same batch and flip out.

2ce, on the other hand, is probably the most intense and unpredictable psychedelic I've tried, except for DMT and mescaline.
 
That's funny, I've always felt the opposite. LSD for me is repetitive and dull, and I always need at least 4-5 hits to get any visuals at all. It might be my brain chemistry, my friends often take similar doses from the same batch and flip out.
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Dull?

Damn, you must be getting weak LSD? I would hope at least you're getting a mindfuck, without that the LSD visuals wouldn't be that interesting because part of the LSD sensory experience is synethsia.

Higher doses produce such profound synethesia, no other drug can do this except RC's but they aren't true psychedelics.

Mushies and mescaline synethsia is nowhere near LSD's.
 
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That general description sounds about right. I, too, am surprised at just how consistent the intensity of effects from a given dose of either 2C-E or -I feels to me; with most psychedelics, while there's a clear general trend of higher dose leading to more subjective intensity, the intensity of any given trip is much harder for me to predict with, say, mushrooms or acid, and the intensity of the various effects is much more unpredictable and varying even once the peak has set in - I'll go from "I wonder if that was even acid, what a weak dose" to talking nonsense and seeing crazy OEVs over and over again on some trips. With 2C-E, it feels more like most other drugs - it has a clear chronology and I have a good sense of what any specific dose will be like, tolerance and other complications aside.

After my 30mg insufflated dose experience, which was wonderful after the horrific first hour or so, I don't think I'll ever snort the stuff again. Nothing I've ever put up my nose and few things I've experienced at all can compare to the pain of railing 2C-E. I can't help but think it must be doing _some_ kind of damage or general nastiness if it hurts that bad. It's nothing like snorting a poorly chopped line and having physical irritation - it feels more like a chemical burn, awful piercing pain. I spent the first hour or so sneezing, blowing my nose and desperately trying to numb the pain (I've never wanted blow so much in my life, just for the numbing effect). Then, I vomited, forcefully and repeatedly, for a good 10 minutes. After that nightmare, I had a lovely, intense trip... But it wasn't worth it, given that I could have had none of it but the nausea and probably less of that by simply eating/drinking enough of it.
 
Weee getting a good amount of 2c-e, 2c-d, and 2c-t-2 tomorrow. I am most excited about 2c-e since I know 2c-d is mild and probably more similar to 2c-c and we'll see about t-2.

So I have had absolutely insane IM injected 2c-c trips with insane visuals and effects that you don't normall hear about with 2c-c (I injected 40mg over the course of several hours the other day). Now with 2c-e I definitely want to start with an oral dose. Would 15mg be a good starting point for me? What have been people's experiences IMing it?
 
i've only got experience with oral and rectal 2c-e, but 15mg sounds like a good starter dose. you might be disappointed, but it's pretty impossible to boost an oral dose of 2c (by the time you realize you're not where you want, it's been three hours and any boosters will take another 3 hours to kick in)

personally i'm at a milder phase of my life, so haven't gone beyond 15mg oral. since you seem to be looking for super-powerful times, i might suggest 18mg oral. the come-up is a little uncomfortable (stimulating and cold-feeling) but i definitely like the mental clarity and body high once they develop fully. sounds like you plan on being a case study in the cross-tolerance of these 2c's in the coming months... good luck :)
 
that's not true about the booster taking "another 3 hours"(?!?!) to kick in -

I took a dose of 2C-E at 25-30mg and was feeling it start to kick in properly after about 30 mins.

Also, if you do realize the dose isn't going to be a mental one as you've almost hit your peak, any booster you do take won't take the same amount of time to kick in as you already have the substance in your system and your tolerance won't be there yet.

I would agree though that 15mg would be a good starting dose - my first dose with the chemical was 8mg insufflated - wild times.
 
I'd say 15mg is a medium dose, if you are experienced with phenethylamines. You could take 15mg rectal or 20-25mg oral and that will surely get you going pretty hard. IM-ing more than 10mg is a bad ideea, the onset will be too great (for me, at least), but you could IM 10mg and then another 5. or 5 with 10, but it's risky.
 
I just had my second experience with 2c-e on Sunday (Spunday) and I noticed a couple things I found very interesting.

First of all, during the come up I kept feeling like I was going to puke which is pretty normal. I felt like this for about an hour but then I sat down and instantly felt a thousand times better. It was like I was covered by some warming blanket that cures all ailments. I continued to feel this warmth for at least two hours but then, as soon as my friend lit a cigarette I had a yak attack. It was really odd and made my never want another cigarette ever again.

Secondly, my first experience was with 20mg oral and during the entire duration of the trip I felt neither "good" nor "bad." My second time around I tried 15mg because I felt the smaller dose would allow me to be more mobile, which I needed to be as I planned to spend my entire trip in the woods. This was a great idea. I felt not only like I wanted to adventure but at random times during the trip i would feel an intense euphoria similar to taking a decent bump of molly.

Has anybody else noticed this kind of euphoria at such a small dose?

Oh yeah, one more thing. During the trip I felt as if I had an almost super-human sense of smell....and I still do.
 
Has anybody else noticed this kind of euphoria at such a small dose
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Yes, 2c-e is stimulant even at low-doses. I took 5-7mg once to test the batch, because I didn't trust the vendor then, and even though I didn't have any visuals (few, actually, I did), the stimulant phase kicked-in and I felt the urge to sit on two legs and start moving.

At 20-22mg, oral, gelcap, I tried to see if I could sleep on the onset(yeah, I know.., but I was a little tired) and instantly, at t+01:00, I felt very stimulated and started running and dancing around the room.

At 6-9mg IM the same.

Only at 25+mg oral the rush and onset is big and the stimulant part is less obvious.
 
I also noticed enhanced sense of smell on 2c-e. at first it almost made me want to puke, but i learned how to embrace it and enjoy the scents.

as for cigarettes, i know some people who can't get enough cigs normally, and when tripping they just burn a whole pack. i don't enjoy cigs that much (unless drunk), and stay away while tripping. they can be very pretty to watch though, and they last longer when you don't smoke them :)
 
2C-E is one of my favorite psychedelics along with mushrooms, 4-pro-dipt and lsd. I agree that it is not very recreational at doses above 12 mg, but for me that is solely because of the bodyload. My legs especially are tense to the point of pain, and generally I can't get comfortable. This is especially later on in the trip.
At smaller doses, I find 2c-e CAN be recreational, it makes alot of my thoughts very humorous and I get mad laughs off it, and I don't feel the overstimulation like with bigger doses. I usually take either 2-3 mg snorted or 5-6 mg oral for a nice buzz, mild stimulation, lovely color saturation along with unusual trails of thought, in a comfortable tempo.

Anyone got ideas for reducing the uncomfortable overstimulation with higher doses?
I've tried diphenhydramine, which helped a bit, but not enough.
 
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