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The Big & Dandy 2C-E thread (Reorganized)

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A page or two back I talked about my own IM practices with 2C-E. I started at 2mg to make sure I could handle it, and ended up with 8-10mg being my preferred dose (in one shot, sterile saline). The rush was intense, but the experience wasn't as heavy as I'd thought it might be. Granted I had a good tolerance by then. I'd compare it to what most people here seem to get from 22-25mg oral. Duration for me at 10mg was usually very quick onset, couple hours of plateau, and then a prolonged comedown for a few hours where all is right with the world.

And then I'd snort 8 milligrams...
 
Bump for the greatest drug of all time. :)

2C-E can directly lead to insight if one achieves ego loss while on it, because of the marvelous clarity one retains and gains while on the drug.

Here's something to try (if you remember) the next time you are in a state of ego loss. First of all, given that it is 2C-E, there will probably be the experience of mind being twisted and torn apart. It doesn't hurt, but it certainly is disorienting. Now let go. Find someplace comfortable and lie down with your arms in a circle over your head- sort of like lying down with your hands behind your head, but move them a little above your head instead. Let the music play if it's playing (I recommend Shpongle). Look at the ceiling but at no particular spot-keep your eyes open.

Let go. There's no more you. You do not exist. Start a simple breath meditation. Don't count breaths- the heightened awareness that 2C-E puts you in enables you to follow the entire breath easily. At the same time, focus on 'becoming aware.' Whatever that means, focus on it.

With each breath, as you breathe out, say out loud, "becoming aware..." (make sure to say it out loud and use your vocal chords, no whispering) Your fixed point during this is the breath while you focus whatever you've got on becoming aware. The music continues playing. In a few minutes, you will notice it start happening. Literally, you will start becoming aware.

Please try this at least once. It really does work! This method also works without drugs, but takes years and years of meditation practice to get to a state of concentration temporarily granted by 2C-E.
 
IM 2C-E is your preferred method, that is interesting! Approximately how many times have you taken it that way? What are the dosages and what's the duration like? Is this your preferred method for all of the 2C's?

I've IM'ed now probably about 4-5 times. Kicks in under 5 minutes (usually 1-2) peaks at about 20-30 minutes. Peaks for a good few hours and comedown is regular I guess. I usually stick with 10 ish mg for IM, gonna experiment with some higher doses soon :P Blow my mind out of the water.

Maybe 20-30 mg IM *thinks* :P
 
Spearson: My first 2C-E trip (which was a ++++) involved LOTS of Shpongle....perfect music for that chemical

I'm sure IM 2C-E is freakin' intense!! Do you find there's an increased body-load through this method? or more potential for vomiting?
 
I broke my head

8othe first time i did 2-ce I tried to eyeball it and broke my head but no real bodyload for me. I wish I had some right now I'd break my head again!8o
 
Ummm well I definitely feel an increased body discomfort, its not nausea at all cause I haven't felt like vomiting or vomited ever on it. The only nausea I got was when I oral it, but IM gets rid of that kinda of nausea and its just the uncomfortable body feeling you have for a bit. Easily remedied with some weed or n20 :P
 
I have some questions:

I've already done 2c-e, once at 10mg, and again at 15mg. Both were out and about in public.

I plan on doing 15mg again, but with two friends.

1. Should we smoke some cannabis first? Is it a good combo? I get a little anxious with bud.

2. Should I dose more? I'd like an intense trip, I'm looking for a more serious time than a fun one. But I think the different environment might do that for me.
 
1. If you react badly with cannabis, then perhaps it isn't an ally, and should be avoided if you're tripping. Personally, I love smoking weed, especially while tripping.

2. If you feel comfortable with this substance, and want to take a little bit more, I'd say go for it. Each milligram or 2 you increase will definitely kick the intensity of the experience up. But due to a change in setting, that may do it for you as well. Do whatever your heart desires :)
 
I haven't done 18 mg yet but I think that would be the perfect dose for me. Every time I've done 16 mg it's been slightly too low and 20 mg has always been slightly too high. I doubt any of it was mental either because I had no expectations any of these times. The dose/response curve is pretty high in a lot of 2C's but to me at least it feels the most brutal with 2C-E. I can't imagine doing more than 25 mg of this stuff, but I don't weigh very much either.
 
My freshman year of college I had a bunch of this stuff. To this day, I consider it to be the most powerfully psychedelic substance I have consumed (more so than lsd, psilocybin, DOM, DOC, 2c-b, and many others). My ROA of choice was nasal, with dosages ranging anywhere from 10mg (moderate effects) - 35mg (extreme and mind-bending). I probably had ~20 trips on 2c-e, and gathered a fairly complete picture of what it was all about:

1) This drug is quite neutral. There is little to no mood push for me. It produces a very level-headed, analytical state of mind that can be quite valuable for self exploration. A neutral character and high mental clarity are hallmarks of 2c-e trips.

2) This drug is visually astounding. Completely unrivaled at high does. During one trip, I watched Michaelangelo's painting on the roof of the sistine chapel (god reaching out to touch the hand of adam) materialize from a perfectly blue sky in full, glorious color. I am not a religious person, but this was certainly one of the most spiritual experience I have had in any state of mind. This drug also has a unique ability to generate astounding visuals on surfaces with no visual cues (i.e. no texture, lines, etc.), and in three dimensions.

3) This drug has some difficult aspects, physically speaking. It is one of the few that I have tried that gave me some unease. I never felt quite 'right' during the course of my 2c-e trips. My stomach was almost always slightly unsettled, and I often got lots of muscle tightness during these experiences. 2c-e is also very physically stimulating. I often experienced lockjaw that was at least as intense as that produced by MDMA.

I look back on my 2c-e experiences with great fondness - they were probably the most intrinsically rich and rewarding trips I have had. It is probably my favorite drug. The experiences this drug provided me were quite rewarding, but I must also mention that my use of 2c-e was at one point verging on addictive behavior. I do not have an addictive personality, and will say that this is the only drug I have ever tried which has drawn me in so deep. I am lucky - I quickly realized that I had gotten all that I could out of 2c-e and never did it again. I have no regrets, and no urges to do this drug again. I didn't even really have to make a commitment not to do it. It just happened, and it was not sad to say goodbye because I have so many fond and clear memories from the days I used this drug.
 
I just typed up a huge post of all my experiences with 2C-E over winter break just to see my comp get blue screened.

fuuuuckkkkkk
 
Ingested 20mg 2ce a little bit ago, feeling some tummy rumblings and mental signs of action. I will keep posted if I can type, visuals get a little intense. I plan on this being a serious, explorative trip, my first time alone tripping. Peace, much love.
 
It is possible that I have tolerance, and no no bud smoking for me last night.

It was hard for me to admit, but I actually got really bored last night. It had its moments, but being in my house with nobody to talk to, and no possible activities. My new bose headphones and OTT's Blumenkraft was fucking incredible, but IMO its all just psychedelic masturbation after a certain point.

And 2c-e always does this thing were conversations leave tension in the air, theres never an "ah-ha!" moment like with LSD. This carried over to my minds dialogue because I was alone, and it was hellish. The sentences in my head would literally collapse on themselves every time I thought of them. The phrase would start normal and I couldn't pronounce the last word in any of them, OMG and it hasn't even gone away yet (I haven't slept).

Attempts exploring the nature of my consciousness were unsuccessful, I was always brought into depressing, emotional problems to contemplate. I assumed that I was just getting ahead of myself, and that I could not view my ego/self as a whole until I was being completely honest about my social/emotional situations. Well I did, it wasn't fun, very intense sadness. But no release at the end, after I just completely came terms with my lies and pain, I got nothing. I wasn't expecting anything really, maybe a little weight lifted at least, but nothing.

In conclusion I decided that 2c-e just isn't really isn't what I'm looking for. Its just a fun drug to me, despite my efforts to make into something more. I have had some incredible times on it, and it has helped me a bit emotionally, but I really don't think anything will ever do spiritually what LSD has done. Its pure magic plain and simple haha.
 
It is possible that I have tolerance, and no no bud smoking for me last night.

It was hard for me to admit, but I actually got really bored last night. It had its moments, but being in my house with nobody to talk to, and no possible activities. My new bose headphones and OTT's Blumenkraft was fucking incredible, but IMO its all just psychedelic masturbation after a certain point.

And 2c-e always does this thing were conversations leave tension in the air, theres never an "ah-ha!" moment like with LSD. This carried over to my minds dialogue because I was alone, and it was hellish. The sentences in my head would literally collapse on themselves every time I thought of them. The phrase would start normal and I couldn't pronounce the last word in any of them, OMG and it hasn't even gone away yet (I haven't slept).

Attempts exploring the nature of my consciousness were unsuccessful, I was always brought into depressing, emotional problems to contemplate. I assumed that I was just getting ahead of myself, and that I could not view my ego/self as a whole until I was being completely honest about my social/emotional situations. Well I did, it wasn't fun, very intense sadness. But no release at the end, after I just completely came terms with my lies and pain, I got nothing. I wasn't expecting anything really, maybe a little weight lifted at least, but nothing.

In conclusion I decided that 2c-e just isn't really isn't what I'm looking for. Its just a fun drug to me, despite my efforts to make into something more. I have had some incredible times on it, and it has helped me a bit emotionally, but I really don't think anything will ever do spiritually what LSD has done. Its pure magic plain and simple haha.

You gotta find a loopy logic so they don't collapse on themselves. I had the same problem the first 4 or 5 trips on 2c-e... but the more I would mess with it the more it would truely come together into something beautiful to experience every time.

When I first started experimenting, I defined 2c-e as Equilibrium. That, you could think any thought, stray into an infinite tangent for at max say 5 minutes, and every time it would inevitably reach a dead end where everything instantly shifted back to neutral, with that "beingness" tension in the air.... of... "what next" than it would, or you would, slash I would begin to stray off again, into another tangent. Sometimes positive, sometimes negative... but 2c-e was always something I could rely on to always bring me back to neutral, baseline existence after not being able to connect the logic any further.

Through more and more experience with the substance, it has forced me in many ways to refine my logic into a loop in a sense, a loop with a progressive growth... I don't know which I noticed first, the loopiness of it all, or the beauty of the experience being developed before me. So, if I would give you a peice of advice, it would be to not necessarily give up on it. Give it some time. Be sure to set your intent, in terms of what you seek to gain out of your immediate experience, the experience as a whole, all of life, your current situation, whatever it is that is on your mind... make sure you have a direction, and a path to grow with... Pay attention to your headlights in other words, otherwise every time, 2c-e will bring you back to that neutral tension where nothing ever seems to happen but everything seems to flash before your eyes.

It's just my personal thing that finding a loopy connection to everything you experience, it's direction, whatever.... really gives new ... transcending grounds for you to step up your mind games on 2c-e, as you can continue to loop, and experience upon your experience and so on growing into anything you choose, ... beautifully ... with looping associations. For example, drawing a loop from a human to the universe and back to human... A human seeks to grow, and the universe seeks to grow too... growing together, back and forth, llooooping into infinity!!! hmm... if that doesnt make sense... look into some fractals... go experience it for yourself some more and .... I don't know what else to say! I have simply found that the more I can grow to find the associations between anything and everything, the more my 2c-e experiences flow endlessly into beauty and creation. Without the openness to draw connections between a butterfly's foot and the spiral arms of our galaxy... you are often left in 2c-e purgatory of endlessly running out your thoughts into dead ends.

The Ah-Ha moments are more like endless waterfalls of revalatory beingness once you get flowing with 2c-e, that when you can tune in and get into the flow, every instant is an Ah-Ha instant and it's wonderful When you can take that in and experience it, but it's a constant process of integration, ever becoming a newer and younger being... never solidifying and always evolving... It's 2c-Evolution for me.

And the weight of your feelings is there to teach you something. I don't feel you are on the wrong path to going about incorporating them, as you mentioned you have confronted them fully, but See if you can't look into the paradox of it anymore and truly find some humor in your situation. Look into the Paradox and bring that into balance. I emphasize Paradox once more... You are living it up either way you live it! Grow with it! You want to get happy. Set the intent, And flow with it! Before you know it, 2c-e or not you should be springing on your feet if you keep to your heart's intent and work with it rather than against it. It can be very difficult to pinpoint just exactly what it is you need to do, because almost always it's never one thing you can do. You can't do anything to fix your situation. It's mostly in how you see it, you know that... but slosh into it all, Let yourself feel depressed. Don't just confront it... Watch it, observe it, and most of all FEEL it while you fully let it run its course! Let it get you down, Get into the crying or guilt or Whatever it is! CRY YOUR EYES OUT!! Make sure you are feeling the connection of that sadness or depression... GET INTO IT. It should then become clear just what it is trying to tell you.

Just like dancing, just get into it and let it flow and the revelations will come, and once they start coming, as long as you are in the flow they won't stop and especially on 2c-e they will only ever come faster and more consistant... Mmmm, that's when you truely blast off into space and start colonizing your own territory... You become your own god of your own universe... with everyone else around you too, if you are open about expressing that universe... and help provide the keys you have found to unlock the gates from this trap we call lack of awareness.... ignorance... ? I dont' know now I am rambling. I hope that helped a bit. Get into the dance.
 
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Thank you so much :)

I think that's my problem. I'm just not letting go enough, when the sad feelings came on, I didn't let them take over (although even that was intense), I just analyzed them and tried to "fix it" instead of taking it head on and watching what happens. Not to contradict what I said earlier, its just that I had preconceived notions of a "bad trip" and you know.....didn't want one lol.

I think maybe I should leave prior ideas and opinions on the drug behind next time, and wait longer between trips. (having so damn much of makes that hard lol. I actually tripped twice in a week, that's not like me)

I know you've typed ALOT, but could you possibly reword your ideas on refining my thought process to be more "loopy". I'm not quite getting it.
 
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Im trying to think of the best way to relate this to somebody I do not know, I will try my best.

Really, for me it's seeing the world around you completely as a reflection tool to learn and grow yourself. Like, even though something may not be exactly a reflection of some part inside of you, you can still look out at the world around you and what is happening and try to figure out what it may mean for you, find the implications for you... in a sense. I guess what I have come to at this point in my life is how our bodies, are reflections of the actions, interactions and experience an organism on the cellular level has with other cellular amoebas or how our planet, and the collective whole of it all seeks to grow, and has aspirations, downsides, upsides and everything in between, just like us and our individual bodies, thoughts feelings and everything in between... and on out into the universe. I don't exactly know how to put this into useful terms for you without relating it to your experience directly... I am using very vague descriptions. One second. I will try to clarify this for you, but I am totally missing the point in this post I feel... Although it may be of some value to somebody, so I won't delete it. I sent you a PM.
 
2-ce was my first trip EVER. Four yrs ago. And now I've eaten mushrooms and LSD and done other research, 2-ce is still my favorite at the right dose. Some of my favorite tripping experiences were while on 2-ce. Love it! :]
 
^that might have a little something to do with it being your first trip ever.


you never forget those, and they usually have the most profound effects on your psyche. before you get used to that state of mind and all.
 
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