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The Big & Dandy 2C-E thread (Reorganized)

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Yeah ^ The substance I first tripped on usually (not always) makes me feel like I'm 'home'.

Now... I'm planning on trying 2c-e for a second time. Despite being 14 mg, the first time was underwhelming and I felt hardly affected - walked around, felt good, went to a museum, things slightly swayed, went home. I think it was because of tolerance (I had tried a medium amount of 5-meo-mipt six days before) but clearly I can't be sure. I don't want another underwhelming experience, but I also don't want to be overwhelmed by a new substance. Middle ground. Redosing seems problematic because of the long comeup.

So should I just risk being underwhelmed again? Ooor... "when in doubt, double the dosage"???
 
i wouldnt double the dosage....its a very sharp dose/response curve....i had a friend who felt nothing at 15 mg and lost his mind at 17...just go up slowly, maybe 16 mg? definitely dont double
 
No, definitely not, that was a joke... Or a quote. Or both...

Can the curve really be that sharp? Nothing at 15, freaking out at 17? That's pretty close to the limits of a milligram scale...
 
yea it was very close...granted there are other factors, like the empty stomach at 17 mg and full at 15, but still, he went from nothing but "music sounds cool" at 15 mg to not being able to leave the room because walking forward was like walking forward in time and backward like backwards in time...lol it was ridiculous
 
Troll - it was more than just setting. I spent a number of hours in a dark room just .. waiting. That's usually where I notice the most effect. This felt less psychedelic than had I smoked a joint.

Any thoughts on tolerance between 2c-e and 5-meo-mipt? I don't know what action either drug has. (How do I find that out?)
 
after six days id say ur fine...ive done 2ce on 3 consecutive days before with no noticeable tolerance....took 5 mg the 3rd day and still had a nice 8 hour trip
 
So you think it's more likely a dose issue, not tolerance? Hmm.. Thanks!
 
T+0: 12mg aMT (IM)
T+0.25: 10mg Adderall (insufflated)
T+0.5: 3mg 2C-E (IM) and ~2mg JWH-018 (vaporized)
T+1: 4mg 2C-E (IM)

Total duration: ~6 hours

I'm not going to write much, but I thought I'd give the basics of this combo for the record. No worrisome symptoms to report. It felt mostly like 2C-E with around a 30 percent extension of the peak effects, and significantly more non-committal euphoria courtesy of aMT and Adderall, which padded out 2C-E's metallic textures. I found it satisfying in a visceral kind of way that I didn't realize I even had an appetite for. It was like having my back scratched with a metal rake through a snowsuit of warm gooey taffy--that's the kind of shit that gets me off apparently.

I watched "Izo," a film by insane Japanese auteur Takashi Miike. It's a story about a samurai whose rage transcends his death upon crucifixion. To take his revenge on existence he travels between two hells slaughtering holy men, politicians, toddlers, and incarnations of gods on his way to destroy the personification of Karma. I couldn't get the smile off my face. It was a thrill to be watching something so stark and uncompromising. The sheer amplitude of everything was enhanced, as expected, but the emotional assaults mostly dissipated in a halo of spongy blue light, so that the impacts of their debris took the form of heavy kinesthetic jolts. I was profound in parts, but a bodily thrill at the same time.

I had used 2C-E and aMT in combination before in lower doses and found the combo to be lacking--too stimulating even with cannabis--but this was quit nice. I think it's important to take moderate doses of each so their full flavors can converge.
 
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So you think it's more likely a dose issue, not tolerance? Hmm.. Thanks!
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The poster who said he had 3 trips in a row without tolerance is probably not representative of a typical person. I have never been able to trip even two days in a row on the same substance without noticing significant tolerance. Not that I can't do it, but I need a larger dose the second day and the magic just isn't quite all there regardless of dose. Even somepletely different types of substances can produce tolerance to other types... for example, 5-MeO-MiPT, a tryptamine, will produce some amount of cross-tolerance to 2C-E, a phenethylamine, but not as much as, say, 2C-B. And a substance will always produce the most cross-tolerance to itself.

But anyway, I think it may have had a bit to do with tolerance but after 6 days post-tryptamine ingestion, you should have been able to have a good trip on 2C-E. I'd try to take maybe 17mg next time, on an empty stomach (this makes a huge difference). 2C-E is funny... the effects kind of jump all over the place for me. I've taken it at 12mg and been overwhelmed with weirdness, and I've taken it at 20mg and been very lightly affected, like you described (although at that time I was tripping pretty often).
 
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You can take quite high doses of this stuff though. Once I weighed out four 18-20 mg doses in gel caps and put my last 50 mgs another gel cap. I them all in an empty pack of smokes and took off to meet some friends for drinks. We met up and it was dark at the bar so i made sure i pulled out the biggest one then dose my three friends and I eat mine and we were off to see DJ Craze. Then about 1 hour in I felt the first alert and then it hit me standing in the middle of the dance floor every thing meltted bodies were warping. I was lost untill my friend grabbed me and took me to a chill area and gave me a drink. He said I had been standing there for about 5 min not moving with this look of horror on my face. The trip lasted about 20 hours till I was back to baseline. I had forgot to put the 50 mg pill back and grab my 20mg pill. It was fun however just a long hard trip. I would never recomend that high of a dose the body load was very uncomfortable I wanted to peel off my skin and I vomited at the three hour point out of nowhere I was talking and I spewed my sentence. All I could say was ooops and then I broke into laughter.
 
Thanks Xorkoth. I'll try it at 17. Getting the correct dose is not my favourite part, especially with long-acting drugs..

I just wish there was a way to redose if necessary. I've never used a needle in my life before, but does anyone here have experience with IM'ing 2c-e? I remember reading a trip report from a guy who said it was his preferred method as he could continue adding to the initial dose as needed. Thoughts?
 
Can anyone comment on taking 2C-E sublingually? Would the dose response be closer to insufflation? Is the taste tolerable?
 
taste is no worse than other PEA's so tolerable but not very good. I only did it once so I don't really want to comment on doses. I'd say it's certainly less than a capped amount.
 
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Can anyone comment on taking 2C-E sublingually? Would the dose response be closer to insufflation? Is the taste tolerable?
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I'm thinking the course of action would be most similar to taking it orally with an empty stomach, but I've never done it this way exactly so maybe someone with more experience can comment. It would be a much less painful way to achieve a shorter/more intense trip if it worked like that.
 
Generally sublingual works about the same as orally but it starts faster and bypasses the stomach. The dose theoretically should be the same, I think. I always try to take things sublingually and then swallow after a while. Any food at all in the stomach can serious affect absorbtion and make your dose behave as less, so it's a good idea to do.

Some people are sensitive to taste, but personally, I can almost enjoy the taste of many phenethylamines. 2C-E tastes better than most, and doesn't have the burning sensation on the mucous membranes that some (like 2C-B) have.
 
Who knows, I enjoy like zorkoth sublingual first than after 5 - 10 minutes swallowing it. If its more potent, its not near as potent as snorting it or anything like that in my experience. It seems about the same just hits sooner.
 
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