The Big & Dandy 2C-E thread (Reorganized)

[Fry]

And a +4 isnt something you can get by just taking more and more. Its an rearly rare experience that can happen on low dose or even without drugs at all. It has nearly nothing to do with the dose.
And 20 mg 2ce should be a high dose.

 

[Xorkoth]

Although I would have taken a less confrontational approach, Fry is absolutely right. 20mg is as high dose of 2C-E. Sometimes 2C-E can be very strange in how you react to a dose of it. My recommendation is for you to wait until you have the perfect setting for a good trip (just you and any close friends who will also be tripping, with no possibility of parents or anything else coming up which could throw you off, and lots of good music), and take no more than last time.

The doses you took were dangerous. 20mg, then 5mg, then 20 MORE? You may think you're invincible, but trust me, you do not want your ass kicked by 2C-E. If you keep dosing like that, it'll happen... I just hope you're prepared to have a good, honest look at yourself when it happens. Just because you took that much once and had a good time does mean the same thing will happen again. Please believe me on this.

Really, I would recommend that you don't take any more psychedelics until at least 18. And seriously, it sounds like your little brother is too young for them. Doing drugs when you're too young can interact with your mental development, so it's best to wait until you're as grown up as possible. If you little brother got bad vibes from a swimming pool, it sounds like he's too young and he's on a direct course to having a bad trip, and in my experience the people who usually end up having issues as a result of bad trips are kids, because they don't understand how to deal with it.

I know you feel like you're mature and ready for things like this, but you're still a kid. Trust me because I've been where you are. I suggest you stay here at Bluelight and also check out Erowid and try to learn as much as possible about psychedelics before you continue to use them. Trying to push the dose of a powerful psychedelic as high as possible to achieve the highest level of effects is a dangerous game to play, and you need to be absolutely sure you're prepared to play it. And perhaps I'm wrong, but it does not sound like you are. What are you looking to get out of tripping? That is an important question.

 

[cornollio]

first off this is my first post on this board, that being said...
I recently received 500mgs of 2C-E from a reliable internet source, and from what i hear one of the only remaining source. I am 17 years old, 5' 10, and weigh about 160lbs.
My first experience was last thursday, I woke up early and took 20mg on and empty stomache with my little bro. after about a half hour threshold effects, mostly nasuea, decided to go for a walk. we walked over to my neighborhood's pool so i could buy some water from the vending machine, while there i could not leave until i threw up(but atleast the walls of the bathroom were vastly interesting while i waited.lol) well my lil bro(who dosed the same but weighs about 180lbs)threw up, them i followed, from here the experience seemed to be intencly mental. we peoceded to go back home to change then went back to the pool to go swiming, i really enjoyed it but thought it took away from the visuals, and being in the pool gave my bro bad vibes, so we went back home and played call of duty 4. that was too much it was like i was in a war, but it was also like i thought faster than everyone else, my reflexes were crazy fast. From there we played more video game, nothing too interesting, but heres the kicker, i took another 5mg and got nothing else from it.
but monday i took 20mg and poped a pepto-bismol pill every 30 minutes to stop the naseua, and it works. after I started trippin it easily beat the previous time, the visuals were intence. that lasted for about 4 or 5 hours, then it started to level off, a couple hours later i took another 20mgs cause i enjoyed trippin so much.lol. but i couldn't get the same things as before. i felt more like I was rolling. I'm not sure why it is that i felt more like i was rollin than trippin, but thats how i felt.

I really think i have a very high mental tollorance with psychedelics, i never get too into a trip, i always seem to be observing my trip.

with that said what amount do you guys think i should take to get to these +4s i hear about? (and dont worry about me having a bad trip cause i don't, i have had the craziest trips i've ever even heard of and seem to get though them just by knowing i'm tripping, it just makes me happy)

you wont get a +4 because you (or our LITTLE brother????????) ARENT READY. Please dont go out searching for this "plateau", it is not a place for someone of your mental stature ( im sorry but at 17 no matter how cool you think you are for eating a bunch of psychedelics you don't have enough life experience)....i thought i knew when i was your age, but I HAD NO IDEA, and from your post i can tell that you haven't gotten to that point yet either. its not about having a "bad trip" that we are warning you about (as i don't believe in bad trips)

please be careful as these are drugs with low toxicity , they are not toys. be respectful of these drugs please, nothing to give to your younger brother for sure.

problem is, no matter what we tell you.......you are going to think you are tough shit, guess its one of those things we all have to learn eventually. but my advice, is to take the advice of the bluelight kids that have more knowledge about drug use than you do, please.

 

[BurnOneDown]

I'm 19 years old, 6' 160 lbs.

2c-e was my first psychedelic. I have taken it three times- 25 mg, 30mg, and 25mg (reckless, I understand) respectively.

The first dose led to one of my most memorable and favorite experiences. I tripped with three good friends. We went to Sonic. I couldn't recognize the food really, so I just through it out. We spent the rest of the experience in nature. The afterglow was spent at a party that one of my fellow trippers hosted. Instead of getting hammered the four of us spent our time in an afterthought of the trip.

The second time was 30 mg. I went to my friends college, and spent the first four hours on campus. We smoked three blunts over the course of the night. The way they tinted the trip with a purple glow was beautiful. I felt extremely confident around these unknown people. About four hours into the trip we went to a Demetri Martin stand up event that was very funny. We actually wanted to light a blunt in the auditorium, which probably would have been disastrous.

The first two hours were very interesting. At about +1:30, I had a realization that I only exist where people know me. My personal identity became became a very delicate thing that I realized wasn't real. ~+2:00, listening to music in my friends dorm I noticed how all of our emotions rose together. We were all connected. The molecules in my body started to dissolve into everyone and everything else. It was too personal, I became frightened and regrouped. I really wish I hadn't.

My last experience was spent around my college. Me and my roommate walked around campus for a while. We visited the art gallery, which was just incredible.

EXTRA NOTES

COME UP: Two of the five people I have experience 2c-e with experience rough come ups. The other three were not effected. Each time I felt a huge body load, it is always very uncomfortable. I always feel like I may puke, but I never have.

TIME: The properties of time are profound with 2c-e. I believe unhitched has been used to describe its association with hallucinations. I can't agree more. It is like we have all these unconscious images about how things look at different time states. On 2c-e my mind would access these images, and I would watch them an smoothly flicker from past -> present -> future. There were about 3 images in each time state except for the single one correlating the present... A very awesome property to perceive.

AFTERGLOW: At about four or five hours into the experience I would stop tripping and experience a warm, pleasant state that would at three-four hours. It was very amphetamine like. I felt well grounded and secure, spending most time in afterthought.

INFINITY: Has anybody else noticed infinity in everything. My friend and I have dubbed it the drug of infinitudes. It feels like I have am connected to everything beyond my perception on a micro scale and macro scale. Each scale is also infinite. Through the infinite nature of time I am also connected to everything (even that beyond my perception)- I always have been and always will be. I have never believed anything like this before my experiences, yet it has stuck with me.

I am sure as I read more posts I will have more to add. Sorry about the lengthy nature of this post, I hope it can be enjoyed anyway.

 

[Xorkoth]

^^ Fantastic descriptions of time and infinity there... that is precisely what I experience with 2C-E and why I think it's very special.

 

[Krypsmoka420]

First I'd like to say that I know psychedelics, and I know myself. granted giving my littlw bro 2c-e wasn't a smart thing, But I had no choice, because I got it because of his girlfriend. but my taking drugs like this has no mental effect on me(I know i've been doing them for years). If anything it enlightens me, also I have to say that there isn't a thing on 2c-e on erowid that I havn't read, or any drug I decide to do for that matter. and maybe a =4 wasn't a good way to describe it, what i want is what everyone else gets, because for me it seems that i just get entertained for a few hours when I trip, but I can't seem get INTO the trip.

actually I would have to say that I rarely get real +3 experiences, on 20mg and 25 mgs I had to be inside with almost nothing going on to get visuals, and when i went outside i got none

 

[squerll]

TIME: The properties of time are profound with 2c-e. I believe unhitched has been used to describe its association with hallucinations. I can't agree more. It is like we have all these unconscious images about how things look at different time states. On 2c-e my mind would access these images, and I would watch them an smoothly flicker from past -> present -> future. There were about 3 images in each time state except for the single one correlating the present... A very awesome property to perceive.

Nice description of 2C-E.
I get timeless visions also I can’t explain them but they are amazing.

 

[Splatter]

To krypsmoka 420:
What makes you think that everyone else gets enlightenment from drugs?
And if you think I'm just some adult talking down to you, well, that's not true - I'm 19, and I remember that attitude of "I put my mind through anything and come out the other side". So I get where you're coming from, because I was there pretty recently myself.
The question is - what have you got to waste by waiting a year or two?
And I have to note, I have used the phrase "I know drugs, and I know my self". Predictibly enough, I was dead wrong.

I'm not trying to control you or judge you - I'm just asking you to learn from the mistakes of the people on erowid and this forum, and you might just save yourself a whole lot of trouble.
It is, of course, ultimately your choice to use these drugs. But know this - you, and you alone, will wear any consequences that comes from your personal choice to use them.

 

[cornollio]

First I'd like to say that I know psychedelics, and I know myself. granted giving my littlw bro 2c-e wasn't a smart thing, But I had no choice, because I got it because of his girlfriend. but my taking drugs like this has no mental effect on me(I know i've been doing them for years). If anything it enlightens me, also I have to say that there isn't a thing on 2c-e on erowid that I havn't read, or any drug I decide to do for that matter. and maybe a =4 wasn't a good way to describe it, what i want is what everyone else gets, because for me it seems that i just get entertained for a few hours when I trip, but I can't seem get INTO the trip.

actually I would have to say that I rarely get real +3 experiences, on 20mg and 25 mgs I had to be inside with almost nothing going on to get visuals, and when i went outside i got none

i feel you man, it took me a minute to "break through" with acid, i could eat 10 hits and i was still very very comfortable, until one day while doing a moderately low dose, i was propelled into another dimension. suddenly i couldnt talk, couldnt see anything that was real, it was a very earth shattering experience (beautiful in its own right, but a scary place to be).

its not something you want to happen to you on 2ce either. one day i decided to eat 2 2ce's (40mg) and go to a water park, i had eated 2ce atleast 20+ times, all the way up to 50mg previously, and had never seen the full effect of it all. suddenly i was puking EVERYWHERE in front of a ton of people, the "wave pool" looked like a giant tsunami in the sky and peoples heads appeared to be ripped fromt here body. i can still smell the hot dog stand that was 30 feet away making me puke, life gaurds were trying to figure out wtf was wrong with me as i was violently projectile puking in all directions, unable to walk correctly.

one day you'll break through, understand that, but also understand you must have complete control over yourself/enviornment when something like that happens. if your little brother/you are violently puking unable to see anything when your parents come home, then what? or how do you explain to anyone wy you gave research chems to your little brother while hes in the hospital because he couldnt handle it, let alone you being able to handle yourself. you are 17, you have a lot of life ahead of you, its not a race. be happy with what you get from your psychs now, and always show respect for their power (even though you personally havent seen it, take it from us)

let me

 

[Dragynfyr]

Timelessness

Insulfated another 10+ dose this weekend, probably closer to 15 (Had been drinking a bit before hand too, alcohol had a big effect)

Noted a really cool mental/time/visual connection I thought I'd share.

About 4 hours in I was still getting severe audio distortions and visuals. I started watching some family guy episodes on my computer, and when one came on that I had already seen a bunch of times, it visually appeared really old and crappy, all fuzzy, it flickered and had tears in it, just as if it were an old film. It took me a second to realize it, as I had gotten up to change the episode because at first I thought I had just downloaded a video of horrible quality, when I got closer I noticed it was DVD perfect. My mind perceived the episode as being old and played out, so that's what it fed me visually. I LOVE 2c-e for this, I've noticed all kinds of similar connections.

 

[Dragynfyr]

Con't. ^^^

I did a lot of writing too during the trip. While I was writing, it kept looking like my pen was running out of ink, so I would press harder, even changed pens twice.

Looking back now, the pens were all working fine the whole time lol, another weird time relationship.


The first hour was the most intense experience with the substance yet. I'm cautious to even say this because I don't think I've ever even HEARD of someone hitting a ++++ when alcohol was involved, and I felt much more 'messed up' then on my previous +4's, but I definitely was there. The previous 4s were involving much less help from drugs, one on med. dose LSA, another on low dose MDMA, and up until now the most intense was my first time with mescaline out in the woods. This time with 2c-e was faar more intense, and much different.

Once you get into the territory where your senses start to merge with each other it gets so hard to try to describe what you experienced. It reminded me of one of the paintings from the Chapel of Sacred Mirrors, where the person transforms completely into lines of light. "Out of body experience" does not quite describe how this felt. Visually at times I could not even see the room around me, white light would fill my whole visual field, although I use 'light' loosely because it seemed what I was experiencing was complete and total sensory overload- seeing the room, feeling it, hearing the sound from the music and seeing it too- (things would get blinding as I would listen to a song, and clear up when I stopped paying attention). Sitting in a meditative position with my back straight propelled things even further. It wasn't so much an OBE...not in a DXM way at least, it was more like my being had expanded and become one with the entire room, though the whole time I was aware my physical body was still seated on the couch, I was experiencing things beyond my body.

The mental aspect was utter bliss, especially while meditating, which came very easily. I felt as though I was tapping into some kind of higher plane of thought, something like a global consciousness, I felt like this place I was tapping into with my mind was something like a global mental network, one which people could communicate with each other through (wished I wasn't alone to test this out!) It seemed like all the answers to all the questions in the world could be found 'up there', and I would just be filled with an amazing feeling of comfort and bliss. I could 'feel' this place, I would stop to write down a quick thought, and feel it slip away slightly (the place). For about an hour I could EASILY reach this place. Then all of a sudden about an hour in, one time after I put the pen down and went back to meditating, it was gone, just like that. It wasn't until it was gone that I even realized what had just happened!

I'm gonna be sad when my supply runs out =( Hope I can find a new supplier, the one I found just pulled 2c-e *kicks dirt*

 

[IcarusRisen]

Ok, I have a question to the more experienced here. I've had two different batches of 2c-e. The first batch produced had a really weird side effect that this second batch does not have. For higher doses, 25mg+, for the first hour or hour and a half after it kicked in, you couldn't think due to what I call "thought white noise." It's like watching a non-existent channel on the TV, your thoughts are just all messed up. This batch also seems to cause more gastro-intestinal problems for my friends than the last batch, and fewer for me than the last batch. Any ideas what the difference could be, assuming that they were both 2c-e (which might not be a safe assumption, I'm thinking at this point).

edit: Another difference - the last batch was fluffy, almost like soap flakes, this batch is definitely more like powder/crystals.

 

[Xorkoth]

I can only speculate, but I actually find the soap-like flakes batch to be higher quality. I have both batches, and the fine powder has never done much for me, whereas wioth the soap-like flakes I can take a very low dose, like 4-6mg, and have a full-on but very light experience.

 

[IcarusRisen]

Hmm, maybe that's it Xorkoth. Because I can get down 40mg of this stuff.

And no, I don't eyeball things. I use a scale.

 

[Splatter]

^^^ The soap flakes are WAY denser than the powder, so if you have been eye balling without a really accurate scale, that could have an impact.

As for the GI problems, since you feel better this time around, and they feel worse, (opposite of last time) I would guess it was either A) Diet the day of the trip, or B) just mental baggage

Nausea on 2e for me has been 100% mentally induced, and controlled, as long as I just direct my thoughts elsewhere, it goes away completely.

I've definitely also noticed the "Mental Baggage Nausea Blues", so to speak.

 

[rickolasnice]

1st 2c-e experience?

I had a chance to try 2c-e for the first time the other day and didn't find it that great.. I did 20mg all in 1 dose and nothing happened for almost 3 hours. Then i felt a little wierd and had slight trails, a little colour enhancement and a similar quality to LSD.. i can't quite think how to word it tho. I had the crappest patterns when i closed my eyes and none when open..

My girlfriend, on the same dose but in 2 parts, hated it. She seemed to come up alot quicker than me so we were peaking around the same time (cos i took mine hours before her) She said: Visuals were boring, and she felt horrible the whole way through. Towards the end she puked up EVERYTHING she had in her stomach and slowly returned to baseline.

Now this was NOTHING like i was expecting it to be. I was expecting to love it. What happened? I was comfortable with the set and setting. Sunny day, was outside, with close friends. The only thing i could think of is we mixed it with alcohol. I had 4 cans of cider and she had like 1 and a half? Enough to slightly feel but not to be drunk. I was in an OK mood to start with and she was in a GOOD mood, so why did this happen? Oh and we are both on 20mg SSRI, me citlopram and her fluoxetine.. could that be it? I read on wiki beforehand that the addition of SSRI's only make the intensity easier to handle.. but 20mg wasn't intense (for me) ATALL.

Any ideas?

 

[egor]

^^low quality, cut 2c-e. 20mg should produce far better effects than that, and I have a bit of a tolerance to it....

 

[Dragynfyr]

Alcohol (oddly enough) has always been a very welcome addition to 2c-e, both before, and most especially after.

If egor isn't right about the cut, I would read more into the SSRI interaction.

Also, 2c-e dosen't really take you by the hand or anything, you have to lead the trip where you want it to go...that's a pretty high dose though, you should have gotten fairly smacked lol

 

[scattered_raver]

I had a lil bit awhile back when i was on whiz, minor acid effects..rippling surfaces thats about it...

 

[feelgoodhit]

there are some suppliers (of course we don't talk about which here) who have been selling awful 2c-e. we just can't say which. :]