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The Big & Dandy 2C-E thread (Reorganized)

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Regarding 2C-E and its emotional polarity being neutral-

Yes.

I am fairly certain there is a physiological basis for this, perhaps the receptor binding profile would indicate that the molecule is more selective for certain 5-ht receptors that primarily modulate areas that are not involved in emotional response. Most of the strongest (in terms of molar potency and per-dose-wise effect) psychedelics have, in my experience, had less emotional character.

PEAs and TAs that strongly activate emotionality (MDMA, 2C-B, 5-MeO-DIPT, 2C-T-2, etc) tend to be lower on depth, whereas the more "heady" psychedelics (DOM, 2C-E, 2C-P) seem to create worlds of neural excitement outside of emotional activation, perhaps with the exception of the emotion of fear, which seems to be wired in at a lower level (ex. "the fear"%)) and may be prone to spring up whenever the feeling of control begins to erode.

Maybe the best way to represent this would be an x/y scatter plot of emotional activation vs. mental activation.

Noteable exceptions that seem to have span both the power and beauty, for me personally are LSD and mescaline, which have very strong mind and heart elements intertwined.

2C-E, in my opinion, is very close to the end of the 'mind' end of the spectrum, leaving it very emotionally neutral.
 
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I find 2C-E far deeper than LSD. I've had a good 100 LSD trips, yet in only three 2C-E experiences, I was shown how vastly deeper (for me) the drug is, compared to LSD.

I don't ever use LSD anymore...why should I when there is 2C-E?
 
^ I find that 2CE is deep but not in the way LSD is for me, a bit like I don't particulary like your favourite 5meo DMT as opposed to nnDMT you know horses for courses etc.


We're all going to the same place drive the same car in the same race[inner city unit], maybe a different fuel source but that's about it I reckon.
 
morninggloryseed said:
I find 2C-E far deeper than LSD. I've had a good 100 LSD trips, yet in only three 2C-E experiences, I was shown how vastly deeper (for me) the drug is, compared to LSD.

I don't ever use LSD anymore...why should I when there is 2C-E?
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MGS: agreed, plotting emotional thrust versus mental thrust, 1-10:

LSD is about 5 emotional, 8 mental
2C-E is about 2 emotional, 9 mental
MDMA is about 10 emotional, 3 mental
methylone is about 8 emotional, 2 mental
mescaline is about 6 emotional, 7 mental
2c-b is about 5 emotional, 6 mental
ketamine is about 1 emotional, 8 mental
DOM is about 4 emotional, 8 mental

I hate to be all wishy-washy with the figures, but I hope this can get a relativistic description of the x/y scatter on these two dimensions of intensity for those substances.

Does anybody else see any merit to this two-dimensional system for psychedelics? Does it warrant a separate discussion?
 
To what degree does 2C-E dissolve reality? Is it reality-softening or reality-busting? Does it take you into that "This is how it is. This is how it has always been." state of being?
 
2C-E is the most inconstant substance I have ever used. The same dose will put me way out there one time and the next time give me a mild trip.

It is always so clear and so nice though. A true Gem.
 
squerll said:
I have wondered if that was what Shulgin was hinting about when he said, “Someday, the full character of 2C-E will be understood”
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2C-E enabled me to reach a state of Nirvana. Recently, I've been trying to reach this state through meditation, but so far attempts have failed (gee, maybe practicing meditation for more than a few days might help). At any rate, the next time I try 2C-E, I will try to reach this state again. If successful, I'll post my routine to see if any of you guys can reach it.

To restate: I think the power of 2C-E lies in its ability to greatly facilitate reaching a state of Nirvana. "Enlightenment"...

fuck, even as I think about it, I can feel myself trying to become aware... but the ever-present illusion of the self is too hard to abolish.
 
heyitsmoo said:
what is pupil dilation like on say 10-15mg 2C-E?

would an experienced psychonaut be able to appear normal around those not under the influence on a 10-15mg dose?
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After having a quick read through this I think that would depend on the person, it seems that 2c-e can bring up a fair bit of social anxiety when in unfamiliar surroundings or around large crowds and the effect this will have on a person would depend on obviously the usual things like where your head is at, do you suffer anxiety/social anxiety problems, not used to these drugs etc...

I am looking forward to trying this soon i've done 2c-b 3 or 4 times (Eaten, snorted and IV)

Has anyone here taken both 2c-b and 2c-e at the same time?

Has anyone here booted 2c-e?
 
Xorkoth, yes that aspect of 2c-e as I have read seems like it could make or break a 2c-b combination

dimensiontripping, I will be experimenting with 2c-e first before combining the 2 so many in 2 weeks I'll write up a detailed trip report since there are none on the net that I could find :-)
 
Yippee Skippy said:
Yes on both. In fact, once I booted a small dose of 2c-e (5mg) when coming down off the 2c-b. The 2c-e totally overwhelmed the last bits of the 2c-b trip.

Unless you just LOVE needles, I'd say plug them instead of bang 'em. You get roughly the same effects from the same amount and no track marks.
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Heh cool.

Plugging things just I dunno, I am very concious of having clean hands and well yeah...

Especially since I started using needles my paranoia became more justified than ever haha.

The quick onset through plugging is very tempting though.

How long does IV 2c-e last? After you come off the 2c-b had that given you acute immunity to psychs? I found IV'ing 2c-b that it's effects tapered off in terms of redosing. But still very worthwhile.

But yeah IV was lovely with 2c-b, first time I did it, objects on my desk were literally exploding and flying around my room, this was when I was on 2c-b alone. Nitrous made it the shit. My fingers turning into people, my cuboard morphing in to form part of my hands which then turned into a house housing the finger people...

Just fucking brilliant, I consider 2c-b to be a very special chemical because of its wonderful feeling of warmth and potential to make you litterally apart of your surroundings.

I was interested in combining 2c-b and 2c-e because I generally do Pyschs by myself (I just prefered this from the get go, I only found out recently that I have significant social anxiety and general anxiety disorder, for me it's only a problem around people I don't know, it's really bad when people I don't know come near me when i'm tripping it just freaks me out)

Now this means I tend to miss out on having my close friends around laughing my arse off - This always happens when I smoke weed with friends and I greatly value this aspect

So since I can't have the best of that world I wanted to maybe find a combination that would allow me to 'become my surroundings' and then have deep thoughts about this... It's quite hard to describe what I am looking for... I guess I want to maximise the interpersonal experience

It's like the last time I smoked weed, I came to the conclusion that it brings forth our pattern recognition, which is what makes us intelligent, hence why food and sex go really well with weed because they are the most basic 'patterns' we seek... This is something that would never happen if I was around other people, especially if I was on weed because of paranoia and anxiety... I think i'm getting sidetracked now lol

Anyway I am looking forward to next week as my candy arrives :)

edit: 2c-b is one of those chemicals where I feel compelled to tell everyone my stories see above lol
 
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Yesterday I snorted 10 mg's of 2C-E as my first venture into the psychedelic realm. To say that I didn't know what to expect would be the biggest understatement ever. Before I thought that visuals would be the best thing about a psychedelic, but while I was in the trip; what I was seeing didn't even compare to what was going on in my head. I do not even know how to begin describing it, but it was some of the most amazing hours of my life, both in good and bad ways.

When it comes to the claims of this substance being neutral, I have to agree, but only in the way that it brings you equal amounts of ups and downs. One second I would feel like I was in heaven, while the next I literally felt like the world was ending. And it was weird, it was like I lost all my preconceived notions. I'd listen to a song that I usually love, and I couldn't decide if I liked or disliked it, it just was. I tried eating some food and again, I couldn't decide if I liked the taste, because I couldn't remember or connect what a "good" taste was.

I'm going to write a trip report soon when I've gotten some time to digest the experience. But wow, what an experience it was.
 
was reading a book I havent read in awhile which had a discussion with sasha;

In all of your years of laboratory and personal explorations, what is the most interesting compound you have examined?

Sasha: I would put 2,5-dimethoxy-4-ethylphenethylamine (2C-E) very high on this list. It allowed two opposite energies to blend together in, for me, a new and unique way. On one hand, it took complete control over me, in that presented visions, or thought trails, or memoris, that could not be ignored. "Do not move on from this place until you have esolved the questions that ahve come up or resolved the problems now at hand." Once this was all completed, I could move on to the next scene. And yet, at the same time, I had complete control over it. The answers and conclusions were totally my own. It was a rich day, although exhausting, as it seemed as if it would never end. But I did not want it to end. There were many facets, many nuances, and totally clear recall of all that went on. An interesting compound.

taken from "Higher Wisdom"
 
i miss 2ce.
i havent gone back to it after having an earth shattering experience a couple years ago.
perhaps this year i will be able to swallow the anxiety i have asociated with this substance and finally be able to take it again.
 
2CE opens me up so much, it is one of those chemicals (like MDMA) that I have found the perfect regularity to be once a year (in the last stages of winter, to prepare for the enlightenment of spring).

I am preparing for my next 2CE trip which will be a high dose (24-26mg) oral trip, I think.
 
Hm, oddly enough I was more anxious before I took 2C-E. After I got over the first fifteen minutes(which were filled with puking and the feeling that I'd just snorted acid), I just got filled with a sense that I was going to be OK. It felt like no matter what was happening in mind, my body would get through this, and this felt oddly comforting.
 
samadhi_smiles said:
Yes, vomiting is not uncommon on 2CE (2Cs in general ime). It can be uncomfortable.

That said, vomiting on psychedelics is not an experience without worth.

You should know that nausea is often latent psychological issues trying to work their way free, so perhaps give the experience of nausea a chance to open up and release any 'inner vomitus'.

You'd be amazed what you can vomit out on psychedelics. I've vomited out bad feelings, sadness, anxiety, mean things I've said or done to friends (or had friends do to me), etc etc.
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I vomited a rainbow my first time. It was intense. =D
 
first off this is my first post on this board, that being said...
I recently received 500mgs of 2C-E from a reliable internet source, and from what i hear one of the only remaining source. I am 17 years old, 5' 10, and weigh about 160lbs.
My first experience was last thursday, I woke up early and took 20mg on and empty stomache with my little bro. after about a half hour threshold effects, mostly nasuea, decided to go for a walk. we walked over to my neighborhood's pool so i could buy some water from the vending machine, while there i could not leave until i threw up(but atleast the walls of the bathroom were vastly interesting while i waited.lol) well my lil bro(who dosed the same but weighs about 180lbs)threw up, them i followed, from here the experience seemed to be intencly mental. we peoceded to go back home to change then went back to the pool to go swiming, i really enjoyed it but thought it took away from the visuals, and being in the pool gave my bro bad vibes, so we went back home and played call of duty 4. that was too much it was like i was in a war, but it was also like i thought faster than everyone else, my reflexes were crazy fast. From there we played more video game, nothing too interesting, but heres the kicker, i took another 5mg and got nothing else from it.
but monday i took 20mg and poped a pepto-bismol pill every 30 minutes to stop the naseua, and it works. after I started trippin it easily beat the previous time, the visuals were intence. that lasted for about 4 or 5 hours, then it started to level off, a couple hours later i took another 20mgs cause i enjoyed trippin so much.lol. but i couldn't get the same things as before. i felt more like I was rolling. I'm not sure why it is that i felt more like i was rollin than trippin, but thats how i felt.

I really think i have a very high mental tollorance with psychedelics, i never get too into a trip, i always seem to be observing my trip.

with that said what amount do you guys think i should take to get to these +4s i hear about? (and dont worry about me having a bad trip cause i don't, i have had the craziest trips i've ever even heard of and seem to get though them just by knowing i'm tripping, it just makes me happy)
 
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You are 17 years and took 20 mg 2ce with your LITTLE brother.
I rearly could scream when I hear something like that.
And now you want to know how high you should push the dose!?
You don`t even know what "tolerance" is.
My dose advise for little kids would be 0.00 mg but I know you don`t wanna hear that becouse you are so grown up.
So work your way up slowly and wait at least 1 better 2 weeks between dosing to prevent tolerance. If you don`t do that you will never get any good effect from your 2ce and end up just increasing the dose and waste a lot of money. Your body chemistry needs this pause.
And your mind too.Otherwise your mind will adapt to this situation and you feel like nothing rearly is happening what will result in you just increasing the dose, again.

And about the part that you just cant get a bad trip:
Nobody can imagine a bad trip until it happens, and then it is too late. And you rearly dont wanna have one on 2ce. In your age that could screw you rearly up, I dont even wanna think about your LITTLE brother.
It is rearly common that young people think they are immortal and nothing could ever happen to them.
Believe me that is not true.
Not even for you or your little brother.
Please act smart and be save.
 
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