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The Big & Dandy 2C-E thread (Reorganized)

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Ah 2ce a good one but unfortunately the missus goes puking every time now if we use it so it sits happily in IPA waiting for new folks to consume it, very colourful phen that is, second only to 2cp in my opinion.




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subdefy said:
Did anyone else notice that there are times when on 2C-E that you almost have to concentrate on the drugs effects to notice it?

I took 18mg a week ago at my house and just went about my usual "chilling" routine and there were times when I could hardly notice the psychedelic aspects besides being stimulated and noticing that eating saltines and drinking water was extremely bizarre.
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I've always felt the 2c-e very strongly throughout my trips. The intensity did vary quite a bit during the trips, but it was never possible to ignore or stop feeling it.
 
subdefy said:
Did anyone else notice that there are times when on 2C-E that you almost have to concentrate on the drugs effects to notice it?

I took 18mg a week ago at my house and just went about my usual "chilling" routine and there were times when I could hardly notice the psychedelic aspects besides being stimulated and noticing that eating saltines and drinking water was extremely bizarre.
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Not for me at all. I've always said 2C-E is the "LSD" of the phenethylamine world. For me, the intensity of 2C-E not a force to be reckoned with. There is no ignoring it, or pushing it away. Of couse, the three times I took 2C-E....I was never in a setting where I had to do anything beyond take it all in. The first time was while on a 7 mile walking/bike trail. But no one bothers anyone. I know I have never taken a "known" dosage of LSD...but if I had to guestimate...the effects from 16mg 2C-E were what I'd rate 200ug of LSD to be. 18mg of 2C-E was TWICE AS STRONG for me, similar to (what I estimate) from 400ug of LSD. My last time, at 20mg, was off the scale.

Some of the 4-OH-stituted tryptamines have a wave-like action. Iprocin and psilocybin mushrooms especially had this feature. But those too, were never where I could have 'turned it off.' More like one minute I'd be sitting there, and the next I'd be swept up into a vortex.
 
I think 2C-E was the most visual drug i've taken. I agree that it lacks emotional depth. Taking it on a whim at 1 in the morning may not have been the wisest idea but it was still and enjoyable experiance. The bodyload/temperature issues were unpleasent once i got home though.
 
2C-E for me was not spiritual. But it did completely decontrust reality in a oerfect mathematical way and allow me a glimpse into how the higher dimensions figure in with your physical existence, including those of time and probability. It's intense analytical and informative. But ultimately it shows you this as you systematically wake up into the void, the singular force of consciousness devoid of any physical input. Absolute nothingness once the deconstruction is complete. This can be utterly terrifying.
 
Hmmm, i found 2c-e to be extremely emotional and a very spiritual experience.
Out of my 3 experiences with it i only had 1 trip that really showed me what 2c-e is capable of doing. This was at 18mg.

Cant wait to revisit that head space again.

2c-e is the best thing to come around since LSD.
 
I certainly started to feel quite sick while we were walking up the sea front. Rather than getting rid of the bodyload it brought my body back into the list of thinks i was thinking about for awhile. I'd definatly like to try it indoors rather than walking around for over 6 hours.
 
I have food coloring in the liquid as well because I have DOI, 2c-b, and 5-MeO-MiPT all in liquid. I need different colors so I wouldn't mix them up :-) I may just evaporate one. Will the food coloring taint the 2c-e at all? Snorting 2c-e didn't really appeal to me either. Maybe one day, if I am up to feeling shitty for a few hours I'll eat it. For now, the first time I ate it, it was absolutely horrible and gave me minimal effects for the pain that I was in.
 
^iv noticed a drastic reverse tolerance with 2c-i back when i used to use it.
But nothing of the sort ever happened with 2c-c or 2c-d.
It could be a ossibility with 2c-e though. My strongest 2c-e trip was the last one i had (over a year ago) and i had used it previously at the same dose without such intense effects.
 
Took this one again last night, with a few kids that were rolling. I took a pretty high dose (compared to what others seem to require), I wont say how much, but I would say it would compare to what most people get off ~20mg or so. But still easy to manage (I don't know what it is, but nothing really seems to get on top of me that way).

Overall it was a pretty good night, nice mood because of the rollers, TOO much cig smoke though (which I fucking can't stand :/). Visuals were really intense, there was these wood panels going a little over half-way up the wall in the room, and all the knots and grain were forming all kinds of faces, and swirling like rivers. Lines seemed to wave and wiggle around (breathing). Very noticeable green/purple chain of circle type pattern overlaying everything. The pitch and tone of music was changing often and very rapidly. It sounding as if the TV was flying around the room constantly changing its speed and position. Pot was a luxury but didn't seem to add too much to the effects, but later I could feel being 'stoned' more and more gradually as the effects of the 2C-E had started so subside.
 
I tried this around ~30mg again last night, with a couple clean rolls (not tested though).

T+0:00 - One roll dropped

T+0:45 - Half roll dropped

T+1:15 - Another half dropped

T+1:45 - Ingested around 30mg of 2C-E (Was 30mg in my cup, which I drank most of then was spilled). I'm starting to slowly feel the rolls coming up, started to feel really nice.

T+2:15 - Starting to roll a good bit harder, wondering if it's partially the 2c-e coming up. Listening to a playlist of RHCP, when the ps2 suddenly craps out and we're left with nothing, lol.

T+3:00 - Everyone pitches in and tries to fix the TV/whatever the fuck is broke. We're all fully capable of figuring it out, but it's decided the TV is the one that finally broke, and not fixable. Around this time I'm really feeling nice, I can tell the 2c-e has started to come up a little bit more, and it feels remarkably similar to 2c-e, although with a much "brighter" or "warmer" feel to the body. I feel as if my body is emitting enough light to illuminate the room. This is also when I ingest one last roll.

Over the next couple hours the visuals peak in intensity, I love the way my visual snow turns into the brightest and most detailed patterns I've ever seen. Plenty of pot is smoked, mostly just chillum bowls of some very fine blueberry, but at a pretty constant pace.

Track of time is kind of lost from this point, it all kind of blurs together, nothing too exciting happens or anything, just a bunch of good friends having a good time together, all rolling. I'm the only one that also ingested some 2c-e. Everyone kinds of start to wind down a bit, though we're all going pretty good. A good friend that I haven't seen in months stops by, so it was really nice to catch up, we spent some time reminiscing about some very powerful LSD laden altoids we had the pleasure of eating in years past.

T+8:00 - My ride decides its time to go home and get some sleep, so we depart and smoke a little more pot and I'm home, home sweet home. I walk into my room to find my sister was kind enough to leave me some valium (I told her i'd probably be rolling tonight), which I ate and laid down. Unfortunately, I started to have a really bad headache, it was debilitating, I couldn't do anything more than squirm around in my bed waiting for it to go away. After awhile I was able to get up to try and locate some advil or whatnot, which to my surprise, there is non in the house. Now even more frustrated I lay back down and eventually my headache subsides and I fall asleep (T+12:00)

All in all it was pretty good, the combination. I think perhaps if I tried it again, I would wait for the comedown stage of the MDMA then dose on the 2c-e, as I've found that doing so with 2c-b is a great combination. Really brings back the rolling sensation, but adds a bit more weird trippyness that 2c-b alone fails to bring out. I'd also like to say, that I think the combination dumbed down the effects of each, it seemed to make everything more subtle. But still extremely enjoyable.
 
I'm actually quite curious to try 2C-E again myself, as for the past few months I've been having no problems handling my psychedelics like I used to. The last time I really took 2C-E was almost a year ago now, which resulted in the most intense trip of my life, but also the most terrifying. I wonder if my fear would still get the best of me? In a way, I almost hope it would, because I miss the fear sometimes. How can you appreciate the beauty of heaven if you don't have to drag through hell once in a while to get there?
 
I've been wading through this thread and didn't notice too many mentions of auditory hallucinations (just the ice machine one, actually), although they are mentioned on Wikipedia. Have you folks noticed any auditory hallucinations? Are they overwhelming or annoying in any way? I'd like to try this chem but I don't want to put up with that.

Also, people have reported the "tryptamine train" with chems like DMT, but I don't get bad auditory hallucinations on DMT, so I may be spared anyway.
 
I get the buzzes and stuff with 2c-e, I like the sounds though, they pretty much put the finishing touches on the psychedelic expereince for me. They are hard to explain. like wierd sounds like a bathroom ventilator fan on in the distance and high pitched neeeeeer sounds. and wawa sounds.
 
I don't get inner sounds (ringing, chimes, etc.) specifically on 2c-e, but I just wanted to say that sitting in a quiet area and meditating on inner sounds can be quite profound. Of course, so can meditating on sounds in the wilderness.
 
timely16 said:
I've been wading through this thread and didn't notice too many mentions of auditory hallucinations (just the ice machine one, actually), although they are mentioned on Wikipedia. Have you folks noticed any auditory hallucinations? Are they overwhelming or annoying in any way? I'd like to try this chem but I don't want to put up with that.

Also, people have reported the "tryptamine train" with chems like DMT, but I don't get bad auditory hallucinations on DMT, so I may be spared anyway.
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I did have one experience with 2C-E where I noticed marked auditory hallucinations. It's actually one of the only times I've ever had them in what I consider to be a decent run in psychonautics. I take this to mean that even though I'm not prone to them, 2C-E still induced them in me, which leads me to deduce that people who usually -are- prone to auditory hallucination might find such more marked with 2C-E. I know the premise doesn't necessarily lead to the conclusion, so this could be a totally spurious observation. :P

For me the auditory hallucinations sounded like someone recording a long track of themselves whispering and talking in a low voice, and then played this backwards masked and slightly off-speed. The sound had what I'd describe as a "wet" reverb, which is hard to describe if you've never heard it. There was also a marked flanging/phase modulation to the sound.

I'm a musician, and pretty much any time when I'm not concentrating heavily or mentally pre-occupied with work, I've got music in my head. It's typically just little melodies that I'll hum, ideas for songs trying to form, or actual songs I've heard that got stuck. During the auditory hallucinations I was actually able to catch bits of this music over the above-mentioned noises.

I found the whole thing incredibly cool, and it prompted me to lay in bed for almost an hour just letting it sweep over me. I've really come to love 2C-E peaks. The come-up for me is always a little bit nauseous, starting with the first alerts and lasting for 30-60 minutes, but the peak effects of the drug can be so varied that aside from some base similarities, every trip really seems to feel different.
 
Whether to eat or not really depends on the substance. With MDMA, for example, I've always found that a little food in the stomach prevents nausea and vomiting, even if that means eating a few saltine crackers, or a slice of bread.

On the other hand, having anything at all in the stomach tends to induce nausea/vomiting with DXM. Every chem is different. As for this one, I don't know, but I will find out soon.
 
Personally, with 2c-e, I find its best to eat well the day before or maybe several hours before the trip, dose on a mostly or completely empty stomach, and then start snacking on easy to digest foods at around the peak of the trip. Now when you're my age (44, since we're talking about age), you either accept that your going to be a fat old man who doesn't live that long or you learn to live on just 3 light balanced meals per day. And its since it takes me about 4 hours to pass each meal through the stomach, that means that 12 hours out of the day my stomach is empty anyways. So its not that hard for me to schedule the 4 hour 2c-e come up and my meals such that my tummy is empty during the 4 hour period. And food deeper in my GI tract, as long as its healthy food, doesn't seem to bother me on 2c-e. A little bit of cannabis always helps too, if you don't mind the buzz.

As for body load being psychosomatic, life is psychosomatic. Throughout your life, your psychic equilibrium affects your somatic equilibrium and your somatic equilibrium affects your psychic equilibrium. Generally, when I take a psychedelic, its going to bring about psychic disequilibrium, which appears as questions in my mind. In response to that I need to let go and let the questions work out and come back to psychic equilibrium, i.e answer the questions in my mind. Usually the result is a deeper state of psychic equilibrium, because of the depth the questioning. But alternatively, I can suppress the questioning, i.e. suppress the psychic disequilibrium. And thats when the somatic disequilibrium, a.k.a. 'body load' starts to manifest, while at the same time my mind becomes dull, more preoccupied with the body problems.

Now I have to have a set, setting and dosage suitable for the level of and type questioning desired, i.e. not be to overwhelmed by unwanted real world stresses at the time. IOW I need to be in some sort of equilibrium, physically and emotionally, with my immediate environment, or that alone will disturb my psychic equilibrium or somatic equilibrium.

On my better 2c-e trips, I've had no nausea at all. Most of the time, I get a little bit of nausea. On one 2c-e trip, I got a lot of body load, mainly nervous energy spikes in my extremities, and I still don't know what it was all about, i.e. why my frame of mind was messed up.

Plus, denying your body of food during a time of stress doesn't seem like the healthiest possible action.
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Well, in general, it really depends on the nature of the stress. You don't eat when you have a stomach virus, do you? There's a reason they don't want you to eat before and after various or other medical procedures. If there is a stress is directly on your digestive tract, it may be better to let your digestive system its self rest while you are under the stress. Losing a few meals doesn't kill you. Your body can tap into energy reserves, especially when under stress.
 
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