The Big & Dandy 2C-E thread (Reorganized)

[miptvision]

i loved 2C-E i just had 10mgl and was tripping really hard but i was also smoking drinking and doing nitrous all night but even with out all that stuff it would have still been a really hard trip

 

[melange]

it seems to have a pleasant body buzz


well for me anyways

 

[Xorkoth]

The body high is pleasant for the most part. However, when I had my most intense trip of my life on it, during times of fear the body load seemed to become fierce and dangerous. I'm quite sure it was psychosomatic, but it seemed as if my heart was about to explode as the experience reached a crescendo. It wasn't a nasty stimulation like some drugs cause... it was a sense of danger and overload. However, it faded with the peak of intensity, and up until they point the body high was quite pleasurable, even when I had to throw up while coming up.

 

[Xorkoth]

Huh, odd. 2C-E usually barely affects my emotions at all. I consider it to be an extremely logical and cold chemical. Then again, that may be due to set and setting, and I haven't really used it many times at all.

 

[gloggawogga]

However, when I had my most intense trip of my life on it, during times of fear the body load seemed to become fierce and dangerous. I'm quite sure it was psychosomatic, but it seemed as if my heart was about to explode as the experience reached a crescendo. It wasn't a nasty stimulation like some drugs cause...

I've had two very strong trips on it, and one was quite euphoric and the other was hellishly intense and profound (but one of my greatest trips of all time).

Huh, odd. 2C-E usually barely affects my emotions at all.

OK so it was "hellishly intense and profound", the fear was making your heart explode, but it "barely affects your emotions at all"? One of those 2c-e logical paradoxes?

 

[Xorkoth]

^^ Yes, exactly, as a matter of fact. It was very profound, as well as hellishly intense, but the emotional response was very limited. The sense of profundity appealed solely to my logical side (as opposed to mushrooms, for example, which appeal almost entirely to my emotional side). It brougnt me pleasure but only because I truly enjoy being mentally stimulated and perceiving mathematical structures. In addition, the euphoria I spoke of during my first trip on it was a very removed euphoria that was also caused by the intellectual stimulation I was getting. It was very, very different from the euphoria of other phenethylamines such as MDMA, 2C-I and mescaline. The hellish intensity sparked a very rational and bleak fear which was caused entirely by the assurance in my head that I would no longer exist. I was not sad, only desperately terrified.

I mean, I suppose fear is an emotion, but hopefully you understand what I mean. I didn't consider it an emotional fear reaction, but an instinctual one instead. By reading other reports, however, and by thinking about the vast potential I have sensed in 2C-E to become anything you make of it, I'm quite sure that my response was in large part due to setting (I was inside at night all alone listening to dark music), and that it can be quite emotional in other circumstances.

 

[gloggawogga]

^^^

Well I would agree MDMA is more emotional than 2c-e, but you are really comparing drugs in two different pharmacological classes. I did find mescaline very emotional too though when compared to 2c-e. Whereas 2c-e is more likely to make me think of some intellectual shit, mescaline is more like to think of the people and things I love. But either one could go the other way.

I can see how, as you say, something can be profound in an intellectually stimulating way more than an emotional way, and I can see how intellectually stimulation is certainly not the same kind of euphoria as straight euphoria or other types of happiness.

However fear is an emotion. When you say it was a instinctual fear that psychosomatically made your heart feel like it was going to explode, that to me sounds like it was just felt more in your body than in your head. But its still a fear. If it were me I would want to take 2c-e again and explore it further, bring it more into my head, and understand it better. But thats just me

 

[Xorkoth]

I'm definitely going to be taking it again. It's just that it frankly scares me a bit, to be honest. I was coincidentally thinking of trying it again this Friday. However, I might wait until I get a chance to spend the trip outdoors.

 

[shypht]

I find that with LSD atleast, doing it at a rave is enough to kill the visuals of a trip. Maybe the same kind of happens with 2CE?

ie: I did LSD at Mutek the other year. When I was in the dance area - I hardly had any visuals, just felt somewhat stimulated. When I left the 'party area', and went to the other areas of a park and relaxed - the visuals would kick into high gear.

I find with LSD, if there is too much stimulation going on, the visual aspect of the trip can be diminished greatly. But, when you leave the club/rave/whatever - it seems to kick back into gear.

 

[Cecuk]

I find that with LSD atleast, doing it at a rave is enough to kill the visuals of a trip. Maybe the same kind of happens with 2CE?

ie: I did LSD at Mutek the other year. When I was in the dance area - I hardly had any visuals, just felt somewhat stimulated. When I left the 'party area', and went to the other areas of a park and relaxed - the visuals would kick into high gear.

I find with LSD, if there is too much stimulation going on, the visual aspect of the trip can be diminished greatly. But, when you leave the club/rave/whatever - it seems to kick back into gear.

That's strange, for me with 2CE or LSD, if I am dancing I definately don't have time to focus on any specific visual phenom, but I can assure you it is happening and rather fast. In fact I'd say I've gotten the most intense visuals in the heat of a mad dance fit, but they weren't the most interesting part of what I was experiencing.

 

[nuke]

For the impure batches: you might want to try rinsing it in acetone (over a filter), the impurities might dissolve but the 2c-e should not. If that doesn't work, maybe try an a/b and see what comes of that.

 

[Trogdor]

lol Thugg, I'm the one who suggested to our friend the possibility of our 2c-e not being completely pure, and since it came from the same place, maybe even the same batch, it made sense. However, regardless of how completely plausible this explanation is, without GC/MS it is totally unsubstantiated, and therefore not to be taken as truth.

 

[Trogdor]

On a side note, do you own a scale? I know our friend doesn't, and that he has a habit of eyeballing doses... 8)

 

[brainslookfunny]

I just tried 2c-e the other night, for the first time. I took 13mg, and after 2 hours I felt I could go high, so I boosted another 5mg. 18mg was a very powerful, enjoyable trip.

Anyway, several times throughout the night, I experienced a huge flash of light in my peripheral accompanied with a sound like an electric jolt. It happened at least five times over the course of six hours, and it was a little concerning considering the nature of the flash and the sound was completely unlike all the other hallucinatory effects. Has anyone else experienced these flashses?

 

[Obyron]

I just tried 2c-e the other night, for the first time. I took 13mg, and after 2 hours I felt I could go high, so I boosted another 5mg. 18mg was a very powerful, enjoyable trip.

Anyway, several times throughout the night, I experienced a huge flash of light in my peripheral accompanied with a sound like an electric jolt. It happened at least five times over the course of six hours, and it was a little concerning considering the nature of the flash and the sound was completely unlike all the other hallucinatory effects. Has anyone else experienced these flashses?

I have experienced auditory hallucinations before on 2C-E that were "in sync" with visual hallucinations. I think I reported it earlier in this thread, but it took the form of voices whispering gibberish in my ear, with the pitch slowing phasing up and down at roughly the same speed as the contrast visuals I was getting from a set of mini-blinds (ie: they looked like they were flipping up and down-- it's a pretty common visual for me on psychedelics, up there with the traditional breathing ceiling).

That was at 20mg, and I had very powerful flashes of color at my one higher dose (22mg), so it wouldn't surprise me if it's just the drugs. Was there any kind of physical discomfort associated with it that wouldn't also be explained by the 2C-E? If not I wouldn't worry too much about it, but if it scares you just don't do it again.

 

[thugg]

On a side note, do you own a scale? I know our friend doesn't, and that he has a habit of eyeballing doses... 8)

Access to a nice scale to verify correct amount, then straight to liquid dosing.. But I do plan to invest in the acculab vic-123 here sometime soon.

 

[Xorkoth]

I also get a lot of auditory hallucinations with 2C-E. Actually, I get as much with 2C-E as I do with powerful tryptamines, and similar noises too, except that in my experience there is an additional audio effect with 2C-E. It seems like the farther away from the origin of a sound I am, the more altered it is, to the point where when I was listening to the TV from across the room, a normal person's voice along with music flanged in and out, going through a cycle of sounding perfectly normal, to getting increasingly fuzzy and deep and distorted, to disappearing completely, to getting audible again but fuzzy and distorted, to normal, and repeating this.

In fact, the only psychedelic I've tried so far that alters sound more than 2C-E is DiPT. And 2C-E remains the best substance I've used to enhance music. It makes it sound much richer and more impressive, while adding noises to it and creating shockingly complex fractal musical landscapes with closed eyes.

 

[thugg]

And 2C-E remains the best substance I've used to enhance music. It makes it sound much richer and more impressive, while adding noises to it and creating shockingly complex fractal musical landscapes with closed eyes.

I couldn't agree more there.. One of the reasons 2C-E is my favorite, not only for it's strikingly intense and beautiful visuals, but it's awesome effect on music, or noise in general.

 

[brainslookfunny]

"Was there any kind of physical discomfort associated with it that wouldn't also be explained by the 2C-E? If not I wouldn't worry too much about it, but if it scares you just don't do it again."

Hmm not really any physical discomfort. The flashes did seem to appear either to the upper left or upper right, and at one point from directly behind me. At first I thought my fuse box had just blown up. Just thought I'd ask, because no other psychedelic has done anything like this to me.

2c-e is so beautifully complex there's no way I will not be doing it again


And oh my, playing guitar.... Timing and notes and structure that just... man what a tool 2c-e can be!!!

 

[ambush]

Yes, enough said, 2C-E has incredible audio effects