The Big & Dandy 25C-NBOMe Thread (part 2) ver. "My skin feels like lightning"

[Survived Abortion]

^If you want to dose an accurate amount which is not 700ug, you will need to soak the blotter in a measured quantity of a solvent such as vodka. This way, the active compound becomes dissolved in the liquid, and you can discard the blotter and dose the drug out accurately using a syringe.

For instance, you could soak each blotter in 1.4 ml of vodka. Then when dosing, each 0.2ml increment on the syringe will equal 100ug of 25c.

Also, what adverse reactions come from a bit too much? Not like full on overdoses of ridiculously miscalculated amounts, but like in the 1mg-5mg range.

1-5mg is a humongous difference, and could be easily be the difference between an uncomfortably intense trip and a hospital visit (or worse, death). So your idea of a "bit too much" is way off. But to answer your question, all the NBOMe compounds can cause vasoconstriction at 'therapeutic' doses. Muscle tension is also another prominent feature of a typical NBOMe trip. This manifests most severely on the come-up, and eases as the trip progresses into the peak and beyond.

 

[thatdreamer123]

^If you want to dose an accurate amount which is not 700ug, you will need to soak the blotter in a measured quantity of a solvent such as vodka. This way, the active compound becomes dissolved in the liquid, and you can discard the blotter and dose the drug out accurately using a syringe.

For instance, you could soak each blotter in 1.4 ml of vodka. Then when dosing, each 0.2ml increment on the syringe will equal 100ug of 25c.



1-5mg is a humongous difference, and could be easily be the difference between an uncomfortably intense trip and a hospital visit (or worse, death). So your idea of a "bit too much" is way off. But to answer your question, all the NBOMe compounds can cause vasoconstriction at 'therapeutic' doses. Muscle tension is also another prominent feature of a typical NBOMe trip. This manifests most severely on the come-up, and eases as the trip progresses into the peak and beyond.

That was a bit broad haha. My point is, for instance, I give a buddy two of these, even if I warn him against taking both (you know those sort of people, they won't listen to reason), would they be in serious danger at a 1.4mg dose? A lot of things I shrug off caution whereas people will learn there lesson via feeling really shit or having a crappy time, but a trip to the hospital is a bit much.

As with many RC's suppliers don't offer small amounts, so i'm left with a substantial amount of this stuff that idk what to do with, and I'm no drug dealer, but I'm a generous person and friends, and then friends of friends will probably want to try some, I'd simply give it to them for free, no cost to me really, but I can only stress HR so much before someones a dumbass regardless.

So, let me limit my inquiry to like high doses between maybe 1mg to 3mg. Can you elaborate on adverse effects? You stated vasoconstriction, but is that all? So often I'm reading shit about how 1mg+ doses (usually closer to 1.5mg+) people get messed up, or if they really take too much end up going to the hospital, but never really much elaboration about what really happened beyond "got way too f'd up". And a lot of situations where people are experiencing severe adverse reactions it's like at the end of the report "oh forgot to say an hour earlier I finished a gram of ephedrine" or "I was drunk".

I just want somewhere I can read about the what happens at high doses causing people to get hurt, I know there isn't a lot of info out there, but even like trip reports or something.

 

[dan k]

I feel like half (350mcg) might be not enough to really have the experience you're looking for. Is 700 really too much?

I feel like if you have previous experience with other psychedelics, 700ug is a good starting dose for sublingual administration. I started at 750ug nasally. The come up was pretty intense, but after the first hour i was very comfortable with the trip.
I feel like 350-450 ug gives an mdma like effect that is boring to me.
I feel like 700-800ug is the perfect dose for myself every time.

Also, what adverse reactions come from a bit too much? Not like full on overdoses of ridiculously miscalculated amounts, but like in the 1mg-5mg range. I hear of people being hospitalized, but what really happens? I know it's more than just too intense of a trip, as this seems much more dangerous than too much lsd or too much shrooms

I have seen someone who took 2.25mg nasally fall down and start convulsing and get taken away by the EMTs, it was hot as fuck out and he just needed to be rehydrated with saline solution. I thought lsd was vasoconstricting to my legs but 25c was at least twice as bad.

 

[Survived Abortion]

would they be in serious danger at a 1.4mg dose?

I don't know, but this is the very reason I keep trying to get the mods to put the poll up that I suggested ages ago. (The conversation about it is here). So that we can aggregate data from people's experiences of pushing the limits with this compound, calculate either a mean average dose or perhaps a lowest dose at which severely negative effects are occuring, and then use that dose as a yardstick to make warning edits to everyone's post who mentions such doses. And the information could also be included in the OP of each NBOME big and dandy.

So, let me limit my inquiry to like high doses between maybe 1mg to 3mg. Can you elaborate on adverse effects?

I'm sorry but I've tried to make this clear: I cannot tell you the answer to this question, because there isn't one. Some people may get away with such doses with moderate vasoconstriction, whilst others may have a seizure and be hospitalized. I cannot give you a specific answer, because it all depends on the person taking the drug.

What really matters is that the NBOMes have the potential to cause severe adverse reactions (such as seizures) at doses not much higher than an "effective dose" for you. And because of that, you should start very low and titrate up to find your optimal dose.

You stated vasoconstriction, but is that all? So often I'm reading shit about how 1mg+ doses (usually closer to 1.5mg+) people get messed up, or if they really take too much end up going to the hospital, but never really much elaboration about what really happened beyond "got way too f'd up".... I just want somewhere I can read about the what happens at high doses causing people to get hurt, I know there isn't a lot of info out there, but even like trip reports or something.

Seizures and rhabdomyolysis have been reported at high doses. (Rhabdomyolysis occured to someone at 2.5mg 25i if I remember correctly). Deaths have occured.

I feel like if you have previous experience with other psychedelics, 700ug is a good starting dose for sublingual administration. I started at 750ug nasally. The come up was pretty intense, but after the first hour i was very comfortable with the trip.
I feel like 350-450 ug gives an mdma like effect that is boring to me.
I feel like 700-800ug is the perfect dose for myself every time.

750ug is very intense for me, and has been reported to be intense by others. Please stop recommending this as a "starting dose"! If that is a "starting dose", and people read your recommendation and think "hmmm, if that's a starting dose, it must be pretty lame, I think I'll double it to 1.4 mg coz I got big balls maaan", and then get their asses kicked or worse, how are you going to feel?

Let's encourage people to find their own doses responsibly, and not by suggesting that they start at the dose which got you faced.

 

[thatdreamer123]

Eww eewwww ewww icky.

Tried what I got with some buddies last night, no fucking wonder it's cheap.

This stuff is awful, it's not even psychedelic, just some nasty drug that makes you hallucinate. Contemplating throwing it all away it's so gross, wouldn't even want anyone to have to experience that.

Wasn't a bad trip, went pretty smoothly, but it was just so gross feeling. Lacked the pure and honest feeling of a psych.

It was cool at first, and was kind of fun, but drawled on, comedown I felt disgusting and up, hallucinations are just pixely creepy distortions and patterns, couldn't sleep forever. Incredibly loopy, buddy got in abad loop and thought he wasn't like part of our universe, everything seems to be almost, purring. looking closely at anything it seemed like little fibers were swimming around.

Went to lay down on the come down in my buddies room, and it was all dark in there and honestly it all came to me, this is just some nasty RC we know so little about that honestly feels no more than a shitty rip-off of a real psychedelic. While I felt good, it was not from the psychedelic aspect, it was like the drug itself was making me happy rather than what I was gaining and learning from it.

This is the epitome of a party drug that just makes you hallucinate, felt all crumby and plastic/eerie there is nothing to be learned or gained from it. Cold sweats all through the night. Couldn't get comfortable, mind not racing, but definitely felt paranoid.

Will never take this garbage again.

The only other drug that has ever made me feel so grimey and dirty was a piperazine I accidentally took.

Hangover is pretty shitty, I know last night was fun, but I just shudder thinking about it.

 

[IamMe90]

^I'm sorry you had a bad reaction, this isn't a "garbage" drug, though. Plenty of people have had glowing experiences with it, myself included. This is most definitely in my top 5 psychedelic compounds of all time. I love the stuff.

 

[Transform]

Sounds like a textbook case of challenging moments within an otherwise good trip. I'm sorry you didn't enjoy it but it's not garbage.

 

[nooneman]

I'm also sorry that your trip went bad, but I have to agree with the others that 25c is definitely not garbage. It's a pretty quality psychedelic, a little shallow, but the visuals and how good it feels makes up for it.

 

[SpecialK_]

Compared to other popular psychedelics other than DMT/LSD/Shrooms such as the 2cs I found 25c-nbome to be a much more introspective and rounded psychedelic. But maybe that's just me.

 

[thatdreamer123]

It's not that it wasn't introspective, I definitely had psychedelic thoughts, but they just weren't as enlightening as LSS/Mushrooms, they felt more delusional in the respect that, instead of going with these ideas as I always can on LSD on Mushrooms because I feel enlightened, I just kept going "damn, I'm only thinking this because this is some hard-drug I'm fucked up on and it's causing these delusions", I was much more aware of my state of being on 25C which sort of ruined the psychedelic aspect.

I've had difficult experiences on LSD and very bad trips on mushrooms, which were both much harsher in every respect, but I was okay with it in the end, whereas this stuff felt disgusting. Any sort of epiphanies I had felt see-through and false rather than feeling their truth as with classic psychs, this led to me to not really a "bad trip", because I know what that really feels like and it wasn't it, it was bad in the respect I felt like I imagined you'd feel coming off of something like Meth; paranoia, agitation, sadness, etc.

And it was this other thing that kept coming up that I think effected the way I formed my perception of the drug, the fact we know so little about it. I was almost beating myself up over it, I kept thinking "Wow, this was discovered like 2 or 3 years ago, little human use and info, and I just provided it for my friends to try out, thats really ignorant and stupid of me, a real error in judgment here"

And isn't that true? I mean, you can say whatever you want about how you feel after this drug, but with how long t's been around, how the fuck do we know what it could really do to you? We can extrapolate from other drugs similar, people who used it for long, people who did too much, etc. but at the end of the day we only have a couple years worth of info on this, how could I have put this in my body? I could have done any drug, but as long as we've known about it for long enough, we can know enough to make a statement about it's safety. I felt like I was part of some sick-minded chemistry experiment, a lab-rat per-se.

It just didn't feel clean or sacred like LSD and mushrooms do when you are on them, this felt like a downright hard-drug. And I just feel irresponsible now for putting that in my body.

And I've heard plenty of people describe what I felt on the comedown/afterwards, even though it seems more common with the 25i, I definitely can relate to that icky feeling like your brain has been actually FRIED, felt like I had damaged my brain. And this feeling is amplified with the paranoid thoughts of putting this man-made, unknown, chemical into my body.

Not that I believe I actually have any sort of brain damage. for there really isn't any data to support that, it was just that feeling that ruined the experience for me.

These reports describe how I felt EXACTLY 100%.http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16822166/fpart/all/vc/1

"I have been friend on many many drugs for 6 years straight now but this stuff was different. It damaged my brain. It's all better now and it took about 3 weeks to get back to a decent page.

That stuff was sooo nasty to me. I would never consider it again. I dumped out a vial of that stuff right onto the road."

 

[twelvesevndi]

side effects with NBOMe class seem to be surprisingly variable among people. appropriate dose also very variable.

sounds like you maybe haven't tried any phenethylamine psychedelics before. many people are put off by the relatively "clear-headed" / logical feel of PEAs,

you didn't like it. oh well. move on. buy a mushroom grow kit maybe?

edit: also, yes, dosing your friends who, seemingly, knew nothing about this drug was irresponsible. i can imagine realizing that while tripping would throw the experience in a bad direction.

 

[thatdreamer123]

side effects with NBOMe class seem to be surprisingly variable among people. appropriate dose also very variable.

sounds like you maybe haven't tried any phenethylamine psychedelics before. many people are put off by the relatively "clear-headed" / logical feel of PEAs,

you didn't like it. oh well. move on. buy a mushroom grow kit maybe?

edit: also, yes, dosing your friends who, seemingly, knew nothing about this drug was irresponsible. i can imagine realizing that while tripping would throw the experience in a bad direction.

This was my first thought after most paranoid thoughts sort of left, I've tried anything from the 2C family before, is nbome very alike to these? It felt psychedelic, just like a really CHEMICAL psychedelic, almost ravey. It was very musical, but just seemed superficial.

Definitely felt like what I'd imagine 2CB or something like that would feel like.
I'd maybe try this again in a different setting someday, taking it at 6pm left me with no sleep until nearly 5am and rough sleep at that. If I cannot sleep, due to anything, I get very paranoid, whether it be too much caffeine, some sort of stimulant, just the act of wanting sleep so bad and getting into ridiculous mindgames trying to fall asleep, constantly turning over and over trying to get comfortable I HATE, and I got this very strongly from this drug.

Whether or not I liked it, it still raises the questions, for something with such little human history, how can we be sure that any dose at all is safe? What happens in ten years after taking this? 5 years? Hasn't even been around long enough to know that, thats what scares me.

In my mind during the ending of the trip thats what I felt like, that RC's are like the black-magic of drugs, that they bear an inherent risk that any other drug with a longer human history does not bear, the risk of just not knowing at all what could happen long-term or short term, as I said before, subjecting yourself to some twisted chemistry experiment.

The overall experience was fun, it was mostly just the ending with a lot of mental thoughts/illusions that made it end on a negative note, and overall just made me crave true LSD as the visuals seemed somewhat reminiscent of that, and constantly during the trip I kept thinking, "this feels like a cheap rip-off LSD", like someone tried to mimic it and it feels all artificial now.

I have little to compare this to really make a judgement in comparison to other compound you describe, as my psych background consist of LSD, Psilocybin, Salvia, and LSA.

None of my friends I tripped with expressed many of these feelings about the drugs, although one friend who had this weeks ago agreed entirely about feeling like it is a hard-drug rather than clean psychedelic experience, along with the brain fried feeling.

The only other difficult experience was my buddy who experienced entire ego-less and kinda flipped out, might have been because we were around another 5 people who were not on the drug and he felt like he couldn't communicate with them, he thought he was god himself and was like not part of this world, that his mind was crazy and it took us like an hour to get him to calm him down.

Thats the sort of thing I'd find personally, specific to "real" psychs, I can't imagine this drug putting you in a place to have crazy revelations about the world that make you go that far down the rabbit hole.

As for dosing by buddies, 2 of them were about as aware of the dangers of the drug as I was, the other two insisted they wanted some after we had ingested 350mics and decided it was okay.

Either way, i don't know what to do with the rest of this stuff. Quite frankly I don't want it and feel sickened by the site of it, but feel that giving it away for would be irresponsible and would be very bad in the hands of someone else. When I told my tripping buddies that I wanted to throw it away they all exclaimed how they'd love to take care of it, but I feel that would be dangerous. Knowing some of them, they'd try to sell it, or try too much, or give it to someone who shouldn't have it, and that sounds like a world of problems that if something bad happened I would feel guilty for getting a hold of it in the first place.

 

[c1pher]

yeah i just got back on bluelight.....been lurking around here since around 2001(yep that long motherfuckers) I CAN"T BELIEVE ANYONE WOULD BE REMOTLEY PROMOTING THE USE OF SUCH A DANGEROUS SUBSTANCE ON A HARM REDUCTION WEBSITE........makes me sick......STAY AWAY from this garbage, shit like this gives good drugs a bad name (just like the motherfuckin police i might add)

Do your part to help stop the war on drugs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PROMOTE GOOD SHIT, with long historys of SAFE USE................yeah i know that they are getting harder and harder to get but THEY are still the right substances to be doing (mescaline, psyilocybin mushies, mdma, lsd) anything else just promotes the man fucking everybody over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Transform]

I don't think bluelight is promoting use at all. Nobody is saying "everyone should take this", in fact many are saying "don't"!

What is happening is that information is being shared to ensure that those who are taking it can do so safely.. clearly it can be done and as we've seen in the past that's all it takes for people to try it. There is nothing to suggest that 25C is too dangerous to fit bluelight's remit. I suspect if powdered LSD or DOC was readily available we'd be seeing a lot more problems from them but that doesn't make them inherently dangerous.

 

[psy997]

It's not that it wasn't introspective, I definitely had psychedelic thoughts, but they just weren't as enlightening as LSS/Mushrooms, they felt more delusional in the respect that, instead of going with these ideas as I always can on LSD on Mushrooms because I feel enlightened, I just kept going "damn, I'm only thinking this because this is some hard-drug I'm fucked up on and it's causing these delusions", I was much more aware of my state of being on 25C which sort of ruined the psychedelic aspect.

I've had difficult experiences on LSD and very bad trips on mushrooms, which were both much harsher in every respect, but I was okay with it in the end, whereas this stuff felt disgusting. Any sort of epiphanies I had felt see-through and false rather than feeling their truth as with classic psychs, this led to me to not really a "bad trip", because I know what that really feels like and it wasn't it, it was bad in the respect I felt like I imagined you'd feel coming off of something like Meth; paranoia, agitation, sadness, etc

I felt exactly the same way. It just felt shallow, and I couldn't shake the feeling that there was nothing for me to learn from it. The second time dosed, with a friend at a lake, we both just kept saying how we felt physically sick but that mentally it wasn't taking us anywhere. And instead we were stuck with shitty physical symptoms, semi-interesting (although pretty damn strong off 1.2mg) visuals, and nowhere to go mentally. And watching the sunset wasn't even that satisfying because I couldn't get over the headspace.

 

[thatdreamer123]

I don't think bluelight is promoting use at all. Nobody is saying "everyone should take this", in fact many are saying "don't"!

What is happening is that information is being shared to ensure that those who are taking it can do so safely.. clearly it can be done and as we've seen in the past that's all it takes for people to try it. There is nothing to suggest that 25C is too dangerous to fit bluelight's remit. I suspect if powdered LSD or DOC was readily available we'd be seeing a lot more problems from them but that doesn't make them inherently dangerous.

I get what you're saying, but even after I voiced my opinion of the drug, after even a small dose, I've got a whole bunch of people going "nuh-uh, this stuff isn't so bad thats just you".

And thats what sort of got me to try it in the first place; an amount of people saying they didn't like it or describing shitty feelings, and then a bunch of people refuting that with the same idea that this stuff is totally super good stuff.

I feel very foolish for falling for it, but reading through this thread definitely encourages those to try this rather than anything else. Almost passively promoting it.

This is harm reduction. even a small amount of this drug can be very dangerous, in my case, even 2 tabs could be seriously bad, we know VERY little about this drug, 3 years since it's discovery and little human use, plenty of people saying how shit this is. But even with all that, we've got people left and right defending it and and placing it back on the pedestal of "can't judge this til you try it" or making these bad experiences seem like flukes.

I get the idea of harm reduction, but it's almost to the point where it's less about reducing harm, and more of "it's not bad or good, try it for yourself to really find out".

 

[twelvesevndi]

I get what you're saying, but even after I voiced my opinion of the drug, after even a small dose, I've got a whole bunch of people going "nuh-uh, this stuff isn't so bad thats just you".

And thats what sort of got me to try it in the first place; an amount of people saying they didn't like it or describing shitty feelings, and then a bunch of people refuting that with the same idea that this stuff is totally super good stuff.

I think people were just irritated by how preachy and definitive you were being... and i think they all assumed, given your experience, that you took two tabs for your first time despite explicit cautions against starting at a dose above 500 ug (and you went ahead and took 1400 ug it seems).

speaking about any psychedelic in absolutes ("ewww its icky" or "omg it's perfect") is totally absurd.

If you are wondering i have tried the methyl, chlorine, and iodine moieties each twice. all are very interesting. none will ever replace any other psychedelic.

I feel very foolish for falling for it, but reading through this thread definitely encourages those to try this rather than anything else. Almost passively promoting it.

i don't know what you mean and I don't understand how you could read this thread and not realize that the NBOMe series is a risky class and keeps you awake for 12 hours.

 

[thatdreamer123]

Err, nowhere did I say i took two tabs. I took half of a tab (350ug) and after feeling pretty good after about an hour or so, I took the other half bring me up to 700ug.

Yes, my initial posts were a bit harsh on this stuff, but I was sort of shaken up by the experience the night before and had about 3 hours of sleep that night.

When I say icky, it's hard to explain haha, I can't think of any other word to describe feeling like a tweaker/junky when on a drug, especially when it produces psychedelic effects to aggravate that feeling. I just remember getting up at like 3am, still tripping, looking in the mirror and my eyes were bloodshot, pupils were saucers, bags under eyes, the little acne I had looked irritated, I was drenched in sweat from trying to sleep (this stuff made me uncomfortably warm after being cold all night), all I could think about was getting this impure, evil, chemical out of my body, destroying the rest, making sure nobody else I knew who was curious in this would take it.

Mostly what made me feel this way was the comedown. The comeup and the overall high was very enjoyable, but the drawling comedown in which visuals persist, but the overall mind opening feelings have dissipated into tired, paranoid, and jumpy thoughts.

If I were to ever try this again I'd make sure to start much earlier in the day than I did.

 

[twelvesevndi]

Err, nowhere did I say i took two tabs. I took half of a tab (350ug) and after feeling pretty good after about an hour or so, I took the other half bring me up to 700ug.

gotcha. you didn't say at all i just misconstrued your comment about 2 tabs being potentially seriously bad.

When I say icky, it's hard to explain haha... etc.

ah. that's how LSD makes me feel. fascinating?

 

[thatdreamer123]

gotcha. you didn't say at all i just misconstrued your comment about 2 tabs being potentially seriously bad.

I just meant that another thing that worried me on the trip was how such a small dose (well, relative to the doses it comes in) could be so harmful, and for all I knew I cold be right on the edge with how I was feeling (I am very sensitive to psychs, and all drugs for that matter).

ah. that's how LSD makes me feel. fascinating?

It is fascinating. Because a part of what contributed to the unclean/dirty/cracked out feeling I got from this drug the very mental aspect that I was aware it's only been known in human use for 3 years, even small doses can have intense adverse effects, and all it is to me is some long acronym for a research chemical that I just put in my body.

that coupled with the the way it made me feel physically (and its effects mentally) caused me to feel grossed out by it.

Whereas LSD, can be taken in incredible doses and you'd still end up okay (well, physically OK), has been in use for over 50 years, and has always been renowned for it's beautiful enlightenment it grants.

It's almost as if the background information provides me a "safety blanket", like a seatbelt. Now you might say I'm weak-minded for that, but I think it definitely plays a part in why I enjoy LSD; I don't feel as if I'm venturing into the dark depths of chemicals at the mercy of some foreign chemistry experiment.

So yes, a part of me not liking this was simply me and maybe not the drug, I felt unsafe while on it. This may be because I research the hell out of anything I try and this was the first thing to have very limited information and what is available seems erratic.

I take back shunning this drug as harshly as i did before, but maybe that's a better representation of how I felt after taking this drug. And really, everyone who reads any of this, extreme caution when dealing with this or any recently discovered chemicals of this nature, you should not underestimate them.