The Big and Dandy NBOMe-2C-C (25C-NBOMe) Thread

[jamaica0535]

Anyone able to comment on insufflated doses? I want a nice trip is 500ug too much or the right amount, as I'm seeing lots of different answers. How fast is the onset this way?

We dilute to 200ug/spray, metered spray bottles.

Explored dosages that may have exceeded 2mg in a night. We usually start with 2-3, some people seem sensitive to it, the vast majority find the 400-600 range to be quite nice. 600ug was described to me as a sort of glass of scotch psychedelic.

Remember to shake the nasal spray before use, I forgot to and it has thus far been a pretty gentle psychedelic, but having explored up to like 2mg.... whatever settled in that bottle was way more than I expected. I still didn't feel at all worried about my well being, got to ride in a car and see the city lights with the windows down. Really enjoyable compound though.

I have done a lot of drugs.... going beyond being one of my favorite psychedelics it has become one of the most worthwhile drugs I have ever taken. It inspires in me a desire to go out and do stuff, clean my room that needs to be cleaned and generally eliminates any semblance of apathy in my mood. As far as I have noticed, the side effects I get from this are far less than many of the prescription medications I have taken. Side effects seem less than alcohol. As inebriating as caffeine, easier on the body in a ug/mg comparison of it with caffeine. Seems to act as a social lubricant, tactile response is awesome, it hasn't shown significant tolerance increase taken one day after the next after the next after the next that any of us have been able to see.

I consider it to be the perfect entactogen. Wonderful potential for a therapeutic tool. It has all the psychedelia of acid without overpowering visuals or mindfuck, a lot of the social positives of mdma without the forceful euphoria, this one is a lot more subtle but it has a wonderful depth and a world of potential.

my advice though, 200-250/spray in a nasal spray with 2-3 being very much in a different frame of mind. It most definitely does not feel like your fucked up like most drugs do. Its kind of a strange being aware of it hitting the brain and the actions that follow. 400-600 is a good picture of this one, at least enough of a "safe" amount for a normal person to know very much if there is a desire to take more or not. The 250ug spray makes itself known with 1, 500ug is a nice place but nothing mindblowing. But you want to be able to titrate it there.

The comeup is tricky on this one, you get that sensation of it hitting your brain after like 10 minutes and you think that your not getting higher and do more. and then in 30 minutes you realize that it has a comeup about 30 minutes long and then your tripping face. So I would say Onset of 5-10 minutes. BUILDS FOR NEXT 30-60 MINUTES, and then plateaus... After an hour or so we just dose as comfortable. You get a feel for it.... Stop at least 3 hours before you desire sleep, maybe more if you have trouble sleeping. Its one of the least stimulating stimulants I have ever encountered.

Wear gloves when handling, with compounds where a mg will make you trip hard, solutions holding far more or even just the powder in contact with skin being as lipid soluble as it is will likely be absorbed though the skin, enough to demand the use of gloves. When your talking about sub milligrams with compounds that are potentially transdermal care must be taken to avoid accidental consumption without thinking about it.

 

[ToxicFerret]

Hey there so I have some blotter with 400 micrograms of 25c-NBOMe per tab. This is 'ion-exchange blotter' but as it seems the community has found the NBOMes to be not very bioavailable sublingually I'd like to hear any ideas for what to do with this stuff. I'd like to make a solution and put it into a nasal spray bottle, but I'm looking for some advice on how to ensure I have i all extracted without ending up with so goddamn much solvent that the potency per spray is super low. Any ideas? Would distilled water be enough for extraction? Or should I go for some IPA and evap, then make a solution with the remaining substance?

 

[IamMe90]

We dilute to 200ug/spray, metered spray bottles.

Explored dosages that may have exceeded 2mg in a night. We usually start with 2-3, some people seem sensitive to it, the vast majority find the 400-600 range to be quite nice. 600ug was described to me as a sort of glass of scotch psychedelic.

Remember to shake the nasal spray before use, I forgot to and it has thus far been a pretty gentle psychedelic, but having explored up to like 2mg.... whatever settled in that bottle was way more than I expected. I still didn't feel at all worried about my well being, got to ride in a car and see the city lights with the windows down. Really enjoyable compound though.

I have done a lot of drugs.... going beyond being one of my favorite psychedelics it has become one of the most worthwhile drugs I have ever taken. It inspires in me a desire to go out and do stuff, clean my room that needs to be cleaned and generally eliminates any semblance of apathy in my mood. As far as I have noticed, the side effects I get from this are far less than many of the prescription medications I have taken. Side effects seem less than alcohol. As inebriating as caffeine, easier on the body in a ug/mg comparison of it with caffeine. Seems to act as a social lubricant, tactile response is awesome, it hasn't shown significant tolerance increase taken one day after the next after the next after the next that any of us have been able to see.

I consider it to be the perfect entactogen. Wonderful potential for a therapeutic tool. It has all the psychedelia of acid without overpowering visuals or mindfuck, a lot of the social positives of mdma without the forceful euphoria, this one is a lot more subtle but it has a wonderful depth and a world of potential.

my advice though, 200-250/spray in a nasal spray with 2-3 being very much in a different frame of mind. It most definitely does not feel like your fucked up like most drugs do. Its kind of a strange being aware of it hitting the brain and the actions that follow. 400-600 is a good picture of this one, at least enough of a "safe" amount for a normal person to know very much if there is a desire to take more or not. The 250ug spray makes itself known with 1, 500ug is a nice place but nothing mindblowing. But you want to be able to titrate it there.

The comeup is tricky on this one, you get that sensation of it hitting your brain after like 10 minutes and you think that your not getting higher and do more. and then in 30 minutes you realize that it has a comeup about 30 minutes long and then your tripping face. So I would say Onset of 5-10 minutes. BUILDS FOR NEXT 30-60 MINUTES, and then plateaus... After an hour or so we just dose as comfortable. You get a feel for it.... Stop at least 3 hours before you desire sleep, maybe more if you have trouble sleeping. Its one of the least stimulating stimulants I have ever encountered.

Wear gloves when handling, with compounds where a mg will make you trip hard, solutions holding far more or even just the powder in contact with skin being as lipid soluble as it is will likely be absorbed though the skin, enough to demand the use of gloves. When your talking about sub milligrams with compounds that are potentially transdermal care must be taken to avoid accidental consumption without thinking about it.

If you are able to take 25c day after day after day with no increase in tolerance I have to question whether you are either lying, have the wrong compound, are mistaken, or are a superhuman freak. I'm not exaggerating since every report seems to affirm that this chemical and other nbomes build tolerance extremely fast.

 

[JBrandon]

I'm curious about that daily use as well. Almost every report has indicated an almost overnight tolerance on par or greater than LSD...?

 

[Karcinogenious]

He definitely has a tolerance built up to it, he said: "1,500ug is a nice place but nothing mind-blowing" ....from everything else I read 1mg/1000mcg is intense tripping fuckery, in another report doubling the dose from 500mcg to 1000mcg the following day led to a significantly stronger trip than the previous day. I think if you did 500mcg one day, 1000mcg the next, 2000mcg the day after, like he is saying, it would be strong but not as crazy as insufflating 2000mcg w/ no tolerance...but either way this kind of frequency of use probably isn't advisable, with any psychedelic..it just takes away the magic and wastes a lot of substance trying to keep up with your tolerance...I used to dose acid like 2 to 3 times a week for a long time and really found it be quite a waste, these nbome compounds seem very similar in tolerance to cid and probably should be treated the same...1 to 2 weeks is a good break time for this kinda thing, don't you think

 

[Ekstasis-//7]

I have some questions regarding insuflating...

1) If I put my alcohol/water, liquid dose onto a plate, would using a straw to suck it up (insufflate) work okay or do I really need to buy a nose spray bottle? I'm only looking to put around 0.3ml up each nostril.

2) The solution is 37% ethanol. If I dilute it 50/50 with distilled water I'll have 18.5% ethanol water and be looking at insufflating 0.6mL (0.3mL up each nostril) to reach the required dosage. I don't want it to burn too much up the nose from the alcohol but I also don't want too much liquid total so it's just wasted by dripping down into the throat. Does this strength solution sound okay or should I still dilute further?

3) Forgive me if this has already been covered but I want to know if this has poor redosing properties like most 2C-x compounds. Basically if I wait 1hr after initial dosing and find it's not visual and strong enough will redosing increase the strength/visuals or just the duration?

 

[Rorthron]

I have some questions regarding insuflating...

1) If I put my alcohol/water, liquid dose onto a plate, would using a straw to suck it up (insufflate) work okay or do I really need to buy a nose spray bottle? I'm only looking to put around 0.3ml up each nostril.

You do not need a spray bottle, but with a straw you will probably have a huge back drip that goes into your stomach and is innefective. I use a eyedropper myself. 4 drops in each nostril is more than enough. 8 drops are approximately to 0.5 ml (in my eyedropper). More than that and you will have a drip

2) The solution is 37% ethanol. If I dilute it 50/50 with distilled water I'll have 18.5% ethanol water and be looking at insufflating 0.6mL (0.3mL up each nostril) to reach the required dosage. I don't want it to burn too much up the nose from the alcohol but I also don't want too much liquid total so it's just wasted by dripping down into the throat. Does this strength solution sound okay or should I still dilute further?

never used ethanol, but from what I've heard, more than 5% is a bit too much. Rather have it dissolved in acetic acid and dilute it in plain water

3) Forgive me if this has already been covered but I want to know if this has poor redosing properties like most 2C-x compounds. Basically if I wait 1hr after initial dosing and find it's not visual and strong enough will redosing increase the strength/visuals or just the duration?

Have done it only once and have perceived both, that is, stronger visuals and a longer experience, but I remember reading somewhere that this was not the case for everyone.

 

[Ekstasis-//7]

Thanks for all the help Rorthron.
Since I already have it in 37% ethanol and diluting it to 5% ethanol would make too much liquid (ie drip down the throat and not work) I'll need to evaporate some anyway. While I'm at it rather than fiddling about with dripping liquid in the nose and risking it going down the throat I think I may as well just evaporate the whole dosage to powder. Maybe on a plate covering a pot of boiling water. Then scrape up the dry powder with a blade and voila, ready to use with a straw in the same way that any kind of nose candy should be.

 

[lysergication]

Should be quite stable. No chiral carbons, no alkene linkages, and no obvious points of instability (debenzylation happens in the presence of reducing agents, e.g. formate, not oxidizing agents, e.g. hypochlorite; reducing agents are rare in an atmosphere as corrosive as ours).

I've already read in this thread (^^) that 25C-NBOMe should be quite stable but about what kind of stability are we talking ? lifetime stability ? like the 2C-X ? even when in solution (40% ethanol, @ -5°C) ?

 

[SpecialK_]

Anyone able to comment on insufflated doses? I want a nice trip is 500ug too much or the right amount, as I'm seeing lots of different answers. How fast is the onset this way?

Quoting my own post as I've only really had one answer and I'm planning to dose very soon, please answer as soon as you read if you can provide input. How would 500ug be sublinguially - not enough? It would just probably be easier to dose that way, but insufflated seems to be the way to go.

 

[Karcinogenious]

I am doing that for my first time but nasally not sublingually...from reading this entire thread over the course of a few hours the other night I can tell you its fine man, 350 seems fun but not quite visual enough, 500 seems perfect, very visual and still able to do stuff...1mg and up is pretty intense unless you have a good tolerance built up and/or are used to the compound

 

[Smokey McPot]

I just received 100 mg of 25c-NBOMe as well as 100 mg of 25i-NBOMe. The 25c seems to take up about 3 times as much space volumetrically then the 25i. Is this normal? Is the 25c usually big and fluffy compared to the 25i or could my vendor have screwed up? I'm not touching either till my mg scale arrives but both vials seem to be labeled pretty accurately with one saying 102mg and the other says 103~104mg which makes me think that the vendor has measured them quite accurately but I've learned not to rely that much on vendors when it comes to such powerful chemicals.

 

[SpecialK_]

Alright, tomorrow I'll finally be making my 25c doseable. Final few questions:

If I opted for the nose spray method, anyone in the UK recommend any particular product that I could empty out and replace with 25c? Also, how can I gauge how much ml is in each spray? This actually sounds like a reasonable method now, more precise, but I'm unsure of how to go about it properly.

Is it possible to drop a liquid dose of the 25c into some powder that could absorb the water for easier transport? Or would this be fairly unreliable, what powders could be used for this and how much would it take? Bare in mind it will be less than 0.5ml and I don't want it to be too harmful for my nasal passages.

 

[psood0nym]

^I didn't see any indication of volume per spray in the report on pg 37 that mentioned using a metered spray bottle. He also mentioned his suspicion that the 25C was settling at the bottom of the bottle so if you don't shake it it may be more concentrated. Also, what happens if you get bubbles in the little plastic straw that the spray is drawn up into? Though "metered," I think the doses of nasal spray are probably less consistent than imagined. What happens when the spray volume gets low and isn't being drawn up consistently anymore? The bottles were probably just designed that way because people were complaining about dumping way too much nasal spray down their throats, not because it's crucial to get exact dosing of nasal spray. At least with an insulin syringe with the needle cut off you can see exactly what volume you're getting every time any you squeeze out every last bit, granted it's not as stealthy as a spray bottle. Drops are also highly unreliable when you think about how tilting your head back and trying to count and squeeze and a consistent rate so as to get even sized drops every time you dose. If you want a medium to put the liquid on for transport powder is a bad idea. It would be better to do a single dose on a single blotter. I suppose you could do single sugar cubes, then crush the cubes, dissolve in water, and plug the solution, too. In my opinion syringes or pipettes are easiest and most reliable way to do liquid insufflation, especially if you're considering getting the reportedly even more potent 25B-NBOMe when it comes out. With a name like SpecialK surely you have or know someone with syringes? If not, and if you can't get them just by asking at a pharmacy (never been an issue for me), you can get them online easily enough.

Smokey McPot: The very same salt of the same compound can vary by color and consistency based on things like how fast the crystals were formed. From what I've heard visual cues are really unreliable for IDing a compound.

 

[SpecialK_]

Don't worry syringes aren't a problem to come across. Thanks for your input, looks like I'll stick with liquid dosing! My maths is fairly bad, so I'm just wanting to make sure here, am I right in saying that if I want to make 0.3ml/500ug ratio I need to use 12ml for my 20mg? Is this too much liquid too for getting up the nose?

Thanks for those transport dosing tips, unfortunately blotter isn't suitable as I'm wanting to rail it (I know it's possible to get it out, but this would just make things more lengthy).

 

[psood0nym]

^Your math looks fine. 0.3 mL may be a little much. I'd try that volume with some water first to see if any goes down your throat before mixing up your solution.

 

[Ekstasis-//7]

Whoa okay! Now I'm starting to see what whe're on about! I just tried nasal route with great success. Previously I'd tried this drug using vaporising, subligual and oral methods and I really didn't like the effects of this drug or the side effects. This time I took up the nose 600µg (approx) and I love it! I can highly recommend this route of administration.

When I mean approximately 600µg I mean that it was weighed and re-weighed on scales that could be off by 1-2mg then was accurately liquid measured. If the scale was off my 1mg then my dose would have been +/- 20% if the scale was off my 2mg then the my dose would have been +/- 40%.

So here's a summary:

2-5mins - feeling something by 10mins I know I'm tripping
10mins-30mins - fair amount of anxiety pretty similar to the come up on 2C-I or 2C-E
1hr-1.25hrs - anxiety has mosty subsided and eased into a nice visual fairly relaxed trip quite similar to 2C-I or 2C-E
5hrs - well I'm still tripping now and feel quite relaxed (visuals haven't died down much).

It's been a few years since I've done 2C-C but from my memories it really seems like 25C is quite different from 2C-C in effects. From my memories 2C-C was much more sedating and relaxing in come up. It was actually quite unique in that effect from all the other 2C-x compounds I've tried or even in general most all psychedelics I've tried. Also 2C-C has a shorter duration and I feel at least at the dosages I took 2C-C at (50-100mg) that 2C-C was much more visual. Even 50mg of 2C-C and I'd get a unique real 3D eye magic, pop out effect with the visuals. Don't get me wrong though the open eye visuals on this are still good. This is no piss poor performer visually like such letdowns as 2C-B, 2C-D or proscaline.

From the 23 different RCs I've tried (a good range of the 2C-x class) I think 25C is closest in effects to 2C-I or 2C-E. I'm happy coz 2C-E and 2C-I are two of my favourite psychedellics.

---Just wanted to point out something weird that happened with dosage method... I had a the 25C in a solution of 37% ethanol. Rather than burn my nose I decided to evaporate a measured dose and snort the dry powder. I measured 2 doses out and put them on 2 separeate plates. I sat the plates on a pot of boiling water till evaporated. The plates were taken off an allowed to cool for some time. When scaped up with a blade it was actually a sticky goo not a powder! There was just the tiniest scraping and it was all goo! Strangely after just putting 1 drop of distilled water onto the plate at room temperature and then scraping with a blade to one small area. It then evaporated at room temp within a couple of minutes to a white powder I could scrape up and snort. This happened with both plates! Why is that so? I thought maybe the sticky stuff is the residue from the vodka after it's evaporated. I thought maybe the ionic bond of the 25C with the HCl is disrupted resulting in a maybe a gooey freebase? If someone could answer this I'd be really interested to know.

***update*** At the 7hr point I found the visuals quite mild and I wanted to stay awake longer so I de-dosed with another 600µg (approx) nasally. In 5-10mins things got really visual. More visual that the 1st initial dose. Somewhat comparable to 20mg of 2C-I or 16mg of 2C-E. There was some initial anxiety although less that from the first dose and then it fairly quickly subsided. It's now at the 16.5hr point since the 1st dose (and 9.5hrs since the the re-dose). Pupils still very dilated and there are still mild visuals going on. This is not like the short duration I'm familiar with from 2C-C, 2C-B & 2C-D. This duration is much more like the 2C-I, 2C-E, 2C-T-x I'm also familiar with. I feel like I'm still tripping but It's mild now, also tired and vision getting a bit blurry. I feel like I'm not too far off the return to baseline and some much needed sleep.

 

[lysergication]

thanks for your report, there's not that much reports on this one yet..really appreciated.

You'd consider that your first 650µg was less strong than 16mg of 2C-E ? Is 16mg of 2C-E a strong dose for you ?

I'm still hesitant for my first nasal dose...350µg or 500µg, considering that 16mg of 2C-E can be quite a ride for me.

You seem to find the 25C not that different from a 2C when others seem to link it more with LSD, I hope I'll find it more acid-like

 

[HofmannBlotter]

Anyone had trouble trying to dissolve 2C-C-NBOMe (25C-NBOMe) in alcohol like Vodka 40% ?

 

[SpecialK_]

I was able to get it to dissolve in distilled water without any problem whatsoever, although I did heat it gently and also left it to settle for around 24 hours.