The Big and Dandy Ketamine Thread (Archived start - 11-20-07)

[Ungoliath]

whats the difference between the ketamine the hospitals give out, called GM Ketamine and regular K?

 

[Ungoliath]

As for hospital ketamine, I have actually never heard of "GM Ketamine". It could be just a brand of Ketamine.

Otherwise, there might or might not be differences, depending on which brand the hospital uses, and which brand your dealer got diverted. Some brands differ in their racemic makeup, however most of them are an equal racemate.

curious: IM is good to go if you have vials. The general recommended dose is about 80mg, although I'd start lower (sorry, but I don't have much experience IMing Ketamine...)

No, its been stated its not a brand by my pharmicist,it stands for geno-muscular or something like that, its a different form of ketamine. Im perscribed it, so i ask alot of questions

 

[Jabberwocky]

maybe in some type of solution to make it better for intramuscular injection - is this the route they told you to take it?

 

[Ungoliath]

Its a topical cream containing 50% diffusimax to 50% gm ketamine

 

[Jamshyd]

^ Well there you go, thats your answer. It is transdermal, and I wouldn't personally mind some kmosturizer .

 

[e1evene1even]

In my opinion, 50% its a very good drug and the other 50% is the sneaky addictive qualities luring people in

I could see potential problems for some psychedelic users who aren't used to dealing with substances with such strong reinforcing qualities.

I accidentally thew out the last of my K sample, but plan to grab a few grams next week or so and see how that works out. I plan to set a guideline for myself of no more than twice per week. Its just to easy to indulge otherwise.

 

[Jamshyd]

I'm not sure where you draw the line for addiction.

While I take ketamine daily whenever I have access to it, my daily use is generally always in sub-psychoactive doses (as opposed to my recreational doses, which are generally never more than once or twice a week). I do so for the medicinal benefits of having my bipolar mood stabelised and being motivated.

The proof that I am not physically addicted to K is that my supply ebbs and flows on a month-to-month basis, and so I am forced to take long "breaks" after periods as long as a month of daily low-dose usage.

Not only do I never get withdrawal symptoms, but I actually find its benefits to last for at least a week after my last dose.

So I wonder, is this addiction or not?

That being said, I have seen some Ketamine habits go real ugly (people who go through several grams IV every day).

 

[Jabberwocky]

Ketamine is reinforcing, it reminds me of oxycontin in that sense (which I had a problem with for a little while)- its very different from the compulsive redosing that you find with meth-

I have no desire to redose on ketamine if I dose at least 35mg - but then within 24 hours (the next night) if I ask myself if I'd like to do ketamine, the answer is a definite YES-

I gave my supply to my roommate who doles out 75mg per week to me to use as I see fit-

It works well for me-

I also agree with Jamshyd, it has a very medicinal feel to it, I find it hard to lay blame on it, unlike how I find it very easy to lay blame on meth, which is obviously very very destructive (to me at least)-

Ketamine is really really really good (wait I already said that)

 

[Ungoliath]

^ Well there you go, thats your answer. It is transdermal, and I wouldn't personally mind some kmosturizer .

Its used as a topical anestetic, I thought like "WTF why dont they just use like, lidocaine, then i was just like, naaah, who gives a fuck"

 

[Jamshyd]

^Oh? You mean it doesn't get absorbed?

If you've had experience with it, please share!

S_S: I honestly cannot relate to the comparison with oxycodone - although as you know already, Ketamine's medicinal quality seem almost too good to be true for me...

 

[Ungoliath]

^I've eaten it numerous times. its insanely strong out of your body, your a camera in the sky looking down at yourself on another planet high.

like, times i felt, and saw, that i was going through the pipes in my houses and ended up in london. It really gives you the feeling that your moving and shit, sliding up the wall...

stuff like looking out the window and being on a beach (im in a frozen hell hole), you walk terribly, stumble mostly with robotic jerky movements.

Its insaneity, but i love it, i get about 14g's of pure k mixed in with the solution per month, but both things are water soluable so you cant extract

ps my average dose is only ~100mg, its intense, i always end the trip by passing out like a rock

 

[Xorkoth]

In my opinion, 50% its a very good drug and the other 50% is the sneaky addictive qualities luring people in

I just wanted to quote this statement because it's true, and it's something I see happen a lot. Ketamine can be a very sneaky drug, indeed. It's sneaky because it IS so good, and psychedelic, and amazing. In fact, I might venture to say that nothing has been more impressive to me than a "K-hole" experience.

But that being said, it's still a substance that starts to call to you, and lots of people end up being a slave to it. So just be careful, anyone out there with steady access to ketamine.

 

[Ungoliath]

^true that

I can go through so much if im not working it aint even funny, im known for throwing bomb k parties and i can pretty much say i've seen people get hooked their first time.

Especially smoking K (I know tastes like ass)

 

[fastandbulbous]

In my opinion, 50% its a very good drug and the other 50% is the sneaky addictive qualities luring people in

I can pretty much echo others thoughts. If I have responsibilities, I'll abstain. But if I have nothing to do sometimes I'll get K'd out and stay that way until I've gone though grams (in one day sometimes).

I'd go as far as to say it's the most psychologically addictive drug I've ever tried (although I do use it via the IM route), as evidenced by the fact that in the depths of my last binge I went through 3.5g in 36 hours (mrs f&b is away at a work related affair so I don't have my usual reason for abstaining - she doesn't like my company when I'm K'd out as it (my behaviour) really freaks her out)

 

[fizzacyst]

I'd go as far as to say it's the most psychologically addictive drug I've ever tried (although I do use it via the IM route), as evidenced by the fact that in the depths of my last binge I went through 3.5g in 36 hours (mrs f&b is away at a work related affair so I don't have my usual reason for abstaining - she doesn't like my company when I'm K'd out as it (my behaviour) really freaks her out)

Yeah, I have to agree. Even things like cocaine that are very psychologically addictive I will quickly tire of. If you gave me, say, 7g of cocaine, I'd probably go through a gram with a few friends (sparks fast and interesting conversation), then I'd just get fucking sick of the shit and feeling strung out and clogged up.

K on the other hand.. I have been known to sit down and just deplete a not-insignificant headstash, just because its so sweet.

It only weirds my SO out when I've taken a lot, and I'm sorta-comingout of it but still massively fucked.. as I have this tendency to think that time is running in reverse, and I will discuss future events with her as if they had happened days ago. That and I can barely move and slur worse than the drunkest of the drunken.

 

[fastandbulbous]

It only weirds my SO out when I've taken a lot, and I'm sorta-comingout of it but still massively fucked.. as I have this tendency to think that time is running in reverse, and I will discuss future events with her as if they had happened days ago. That and I can barely move and slur worse than the drunkest of the drunken.

My other half's most frequent comment w.r.t ketamine & me is "you've had it again haven't you Kevin, 'cos you're talking total shite again" (& generally I am )

 

[e1evene1even]

I've only tried the racemic and I really enjoy the numbing feeling. As for the medicinal effects, I tend to agree. Reading the article in nature regarding the Ketamine anti-depressant study was what got me interested in it in the first place.

30-40mg puts me in a very nice trance for about 40 minutes and seems very psychotherapeutic, its like it strips away years of negative thinking and leaves me in a more positive frame of mind. I do often notice long forgotten memories resurfacing which makes me think part of the anti-depressant effect is similar to the Peniston Protocol in biofeedback, where the theta waves (most predominate during childhood and many altered states) increase in amplitude and eventually surpass the alpha amplitude and bring these state-dependent memories to conscious awareness where they can more easily resolved. Similar to working with traditional psychedelics in a therapeutic context but K seems to be more effective and rapid. I find it has shares a lot of qualities I enjoy about traditional psychedelics, but not as many of the negatives qualities. Also although set and setting are still quite important for safety, I don't think its has as much influence on the subjective experience.

Interestingly enough, EVERY single person I know that I have mentioned K too, always tell me how bad it is. It seems to have a pretty bad reputation in my area.

 

[fizzacyst]

It has a bad reputation here as well it seems. "what? you eat horse pills and cat tranqs?"

but after they are clued in and give it a shot, most of the serious trippers or those that really like nitrous of DXM enjoy it.

 

[fastandbulbous]

Yet to meet a person who doesn't enjoy ketamine once they get past all the bad press bullshit associated with it

 

[Ptah]

I can however imagine that many people would be scared off by its sheer weirdness.
Especially those without previous psychedelic drug experience.