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The Big and Dandy HBWR/MGS/LSA Thread (Archive start - 4-14-2008)

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Nope. At least, it's never been detected. Hoffman always said he would not be surprised if LSD did pop up somewhere, at some time, in some strain of ergot.
 
ok i have a total of 15 grams of morning glory seeds, 3 packages containing 5 grams each. is all of these seeds too many for a first timer? im thinking i might only do 10 grams, erowids sepcifies that as a strong trip but i really dont wanna underdose. all 15 grams would probably have me puking horribly im suspecting.
 
Five grams is enough to get the feel, although I agree with the previous poster that pot really makes it good. But I am a pot head and simply refuse to ever trip without it.
 
Dagga goes well with woodrose or morning glory for those searching for a probation time replacement smokable;)
Only the flowers are worth the time to smoke though, dont waste your time on the foliage. I make a 5 (ish anyway)x flower extract of surprising potency.
 
most of the people i know who've tried LSA, online and in RL, and me personally, claim they have very little effect without marijuana as a catalyst
 
T + 2.5h and no effect. could some HB woodrose seeds be weak?

edit: they took 4 hours to peak. erowid says onset in 20-60min and come-up for 20-60min :\
 
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qwe said:
T + 2.5h and no effect. could some HB woodrose seeds be weak?

edit: they took 4 hours to peak. erowid says onset in 20-60min and come-up for 20-60min :\
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How many seeds did you use. I find (regardless of dose) that it takes 3 hours for the visions to really kick in, and 5 hours to reach full effects.
 
The best effects I've had so far were from a 99% DL tartaric acid CWE..good effects (euphoria & music enhancement) were noted 2.5 to 3 hours into it, and that was just from 30ML of the total 8 gram extract ending in 300ML of water or so. It all seemed to hit about 3 hours after hypothetical consumption. Ph of CWE with 60mg of tartaric acid powder read ph = 3.5. There was zero nausea.

In the pic you can see millions of polar white salty looking compounds floating near the bottom after the 1 hour CWE. There is no discoloration of the water from non-polar compounds.

A picture of the crystal clear CWE is shown here at the end of the thread:
http://forums.mycotopia.net/showthread.php?t=14053

My question is this--Are the alkaloids in the rubbery microbial steril embryo of the seeds in a freebase form or are they in a salted form? I have read conflicting answers to this question on forums and in books.

IF the alkaloids are in a freebase form, then I can see how the tartaric acidified water would greatly increase extraction efficiency of all the good alkaloids by forming water soluble salts with them.

And what do you think about this study of aldehydes forming adducts with trypthophan and indole derivatives?

http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0027-8424(19920915)89:18<8439:TAFABC>2.0.CO;2-W&size=LARGE

Is it at all possible to re-form any amount of the unstable? d-lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide from LSA by the addition of some sort of aldehyde/acetaldehyde containing natural substance with physiological mixing?

LAE-32 mentioned in tihkal shows a similar structure to d-lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide (also see the human effects of LAE-32 at 1.6mg and above):

http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/tihkal/tihkal26.shtml

For convenience, I will just refer to d-lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide as "LAH" to simplify repeating it.

LAE-32 has a mono CH2CH3 at R1 and an H at R2.

LAH has a CHOHCH3 at R1 and an H at R2.

LAE-32 = d-lysergic acid ethylamide

LAH = d-lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide.

I'm just guessing here, but the names and structures appear similar.
 
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How many seeds did you use. I find (regardless of dose) that it takes 3 hours for the visions to really kick in, and 5 hours to reach full effects.
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i used 5 since its my first time with lsa in 2-3 years

edit... here's a very brief report. this friday i plan on eating 10 seeds

t+0.0h 7pm, eat 5 HBWS
t+3.0h small body buzz
t+3.5h slowly coming up
t+3.5h taking cannabis hits
t+4.0h notes
* i am astounded by the deep clarity of thought combined with deep trances and heavy mental effects
* geometric hallucinations
t+5.0h still on plateau
t+5.0h redosing cannabis
t+6.0h coming down
t+7.5h going to bed. took klonopin and melatonin
t+1day notes
* sedated from the absurd half-life of klonopin
* everything is more colorful and vivid

NB: i can't tell exactly which effects were from the cannabis and which were from the morning glories. however, it was definitely more of a trip than cannabis alone. i am puzzled by the short duration, a couple years ago on MGS i had a 14 hour trip (mainly a mental trip with some astounding OEVs, and it probably lasted so long because it was a difficult one)
 
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Had five hbw last night (first time) while my friends were all on MDMA. I had a suberb body tingle similar to MDMA buy 10x more intense. I had a massive chesher cat smile on my face that was tripping all my friends out. I got a bit hungry (big mistake!) had 2 choclate bars, choclate drink and a BLT. Then I had too much weed which litrally paralised me, and I chucked up. When I got home I had waves of euphoria, followed by waves of acidic vomit that seemed to burn my teeth so much that they were all rough like sand paper.

Here are some things I typed up while at home: (so I could remember)
"memory is very bad. time slows. euporia waves. love to tidy. takes time to decide."
" love touching.... "REMEmber jaw is crushing nose. crushing muscle = bone"n LOVE TOUCH. tingle felling. pain in abs. do not suck in = organ pain?"
"read darren brown book! micheal lonley???? he hardy interacts, involve him more.science fucharamah makes him laugh! give hoim MOVING SHADOW CD, gonna love to read these "typings" inbetween tidying.. plant has ants coming out. clean b4 poutting in room"

In retrospective the weed and lsa, were a great mix because they made the experience more emotional, and caring than trippy. The downside being vomiting and being paralised.
 
is it possible to not chew them enough, so that near zero alkaloids get absorbed into the bloodstream? or does your stomach take care of the seed matter?
 
I would think that not chewing enough would prevent all of the LSAs from being absorbed, but I am not sure.

I would recommend crushing them to a powder and chasing that down with water or stuffing them into gel caps. That way you don't have to taste them. I can't get the taste of HBWR seeds out of my mouth after chewing them, and I hate the taste.

morninggloryseed said:
How many seeds did you use. I find (regardless of dose) that it takes 3 hours for the visions to really kick in, and 5 hours to reach full effects.
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It takes me about the same amount of time to peak. I usually don't feel much of a trip until around the four hour mark. About that time, the nausea gets really bad and I usually vomit.

It always seems to get much more intense as soon as the vomiting ends, at least for me.
 
Tryptamine*Dreamer said:
It always seems to get much more intense as soon as the vomiting ends, at least for me.
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That's been my experience with woodrose, as well as most of the PEAs. It seems like the vomiting process frees up a 'blockage' and the end result is you are tripping much harder. Always have a laugh at those who are so scared to vomit...it is actually a very cleansing experience.
 
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