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The Big and Dandy HBWR/MGS/LSA Thread (Archive start - 4-14-2008)

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Yeah he's correct that the rumor that the coating on HBW is the toxic part causing the nausea is bullshit. It's a very outdated theory that's long been disproven. Regardless of whether you peel the coating off the seeds or not they'll have the same chance of causing nausea.

To minimize nausea eat very lightly the day of your trip, eat some fresh ginger before your trip or Reed's ginger ale (17 grams of ginger per bottle), grind the seeds finely and pack them in capsules. If you still feel sick on HBW relax and sit or lay still, trying not to move around too much. Closing your eyes and taking long deep breaths might help. Puff on some herb too.

If all else fails and the nausea becomes overwhelming let yourself barf. Just try not to vomit till at least 2 hours after ingesting the seeds to ensure all the alkaloids have absorbed. For me usually after I vomit all nausea magically disappears.

As far as Syrian Rue/Harmaline potentiating HBW is this because of the MAO-a inhibition effect of Beta Carbolines? If it's the MAO-a properties that cause the potentiation and Moclobemide is an MAO-a wouldn't it be a viable way to potentiate HBW? I've heard Moclobemide is a great way to boost DMT or Psilocybin so why not HBW. I've searched the net exhaustively and it appears NO ONE has thought to preload on Moclobemide as a way to boost a HBW trip.

Can you guys share your experiences using Syrian Rue/Harmala/Harmaline hcl to potentiate HBW/MG/Rivea??? I've gotten such mixed results from the Rue/HBW combo. The first 2 times I tried the combo I loved it and was blown away in a very pleasant way. But for some reason last time I preloaded on Rue before doing HBW I got a dull, sleepy, lethargic trip with tons of nausea.

Do you guys find Rue tends to make HBW/MG/Rivea trips feels physically heavier, more nauseating and sleepy? The first 2 times I used Rue with HBW it increased the overall intensity, euphoria, visuals, body high and insights profoundly.

How does Selegiline (Deprenyl) combine with Tryptamine psychedelics?

You guys should try preloading on 2-4 grams of Piracetam a few hours before your next HBW/MG/Rivea trip. You might notice you get a clearer, more stimulating, rewarding trip. For maximum synergy I preload for at least a few days on Piracetam as I assume it needs to build up in your system to reach peak plasma levels.

I wish this thread was combined with the Does LSA Suck thread.
 
Ive aquired some HBWR seeds and plan to ingest 7 seeds tomorrow with some friends (I am experienced with psychs such as LSD, mushrooms, Ketamine, DXM, MDx, 2Cx) but this is my first time trying LSA. Should I just eat the seeds whole? I dont have access to a grinder? Is it okay to just eat them plain? Are they better to be eaten on a full stomach. Erowid says that it takes an hour to come up but Ive heard it can take hours. What should I expect in that regard?
 
The Wizard said:
I wish this thread was combined with the Does LSA Suck thread.
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Me too at this point, but when threads are merged the posts are sorted in order of the date and time they were posted, and there's no way around that. Obviously that would create one giant, jumbled thread.

FreedomOfTheMind said:
Ive aquired some HBWR seeds and plan to ingest 7 seeds tomorrow with some friends (I am experienced with psychs such as LSD, mushrooms, Ketamine, DXM, MDx, 2Cx) but this is my first time trying LSA. Should I just eat the seeds whole? I dont have access to a grinder? Is it okay to just eat them plain? Are they better to be eaten on a full stomach. Erowid says that it takes an hour to come up but Ive heard it can take hours. What should I expect in that regard?
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The Wizard has answered your questions above. Except about the come-up time. An hour is ridiculous... I'm surprised Erowid says an hour. I never even feel them at all for 2 hours and the peak definitely does not arrive until hour 4 or so. It really does take a long time for them to get going.
 
You plan to eat 7 seeds around your friends who will be sober or they'll be tripping on the seeds too? Whenever approaching a new psychedelic always be careful of who you try it around, what environment you try it in and what mindset you try it in. Only trip around best friends you really trust and feel comfortable around and preferably have someone there who's experienced with the drug to be your trip sitter.

And make sure not to rush into trying HBW. Plan out every little detail of what you want to do while tripping and wait until a day you have no serious responsibilities to deal with. And wait until you're in a healthy positive mindset. If you have any stress in your life and psychological issues you're avoiding tripping might be a bad idea. Make sure you feel very secure with yourself and content with where you're at in life. Tripping could make you obsess on your flaws and insecurities and feel a sense of dread and despair.

I don't mean to scare you away from trying the HBW though. It can be a truly wonderful experience and prob. will go just fine for you. I'm telling you all of this because judging from your post it sounds like you haven't read up on HBW too much and sounds like you might not even have read this whole thread...

And no you can't eat the seeds whole. They must be ground or chewed up for your body to absorb the LSA's. Find a device that will let you grind the seeds as fine as humanly possible. The finer they're ground the better they'll absorb. In the future invest in a coffee grinder, man. You won't regret spending the money. It's an extremely convenient way to grind up ethnobotanicals and it isn't like coffee grinders are expensive at all. Do you have a mortar and pestle? Or a blender or hammer? I guess you'll have to get inventive. If I were you I'd wait till I had a coffee grinder to trip.

As far as whether to have food in your stomach I'd say it's okay to have a little bit of light food in your stomach but not a lot of heavy foods. The day I do HBW the only full meal I eat is a breakfast of light foods then I might have a snack later on in the day. 20 or 30 minutes before I eat the seeds I'll eat some pudding or yogurt or some other soft, gentle to digest food. You don't want to swallow the HBW with a totally empty stomach because if you end up sick and vomiting you could end up dryheaving which is way uncool. My favorite way to swallow the seed powder is packing it in OOO size capsules. I've tried dumping the seed powder right in my mouth but those times I got much worse nausea than I do from the capsule ingestion method.

And I don't know why Erowid said the seeds kick in, in only an hour. When I eat HBW capsules I do technically start to feel effects in around an hr or hr in a half but that's only a subtle body buzz that slowly builds. The first few hours after ingestion all I get is a gradually increasing tingly, relaxing body stone and by hour 3 things become psychedelic and by the 4th hour I'm usually feeling the full psychedelic effects. Smoking some MJ might kick in the trip a little faster for you plus it could help the nausea. If you feel nauseous try to stay still and not move around too much and sit or lay down. If the nausea gets worse close your eyes and take long, deep breaths and try to relax and clear your mind and meditate away the nausea.

If you get the uncontrollable urge to vomit listen to your body and run to the toilet and ralph. Some people make the mistake of ignoring when their stomach tells them to throw up and instead they just feel sicker and sicker for hours. Usually with HBW once you throw up you'll instantly feel much better and much less nauseous. The thing that sucks is you need to try not to vomit until at least an hour or 2 after you ingested the seeds because the drug needs all that time to fully absorb into your system. It can be a real test of discipline to hold the HBW in your rumbling stomach that long without vomiting. By the 2nd or 3rd hour after ingestion if I'm still real nauseous I go ahead and throw up.
 
Morning Glory Seeds Question

well like 2 days ago, i tried Morning Glory Seeds for the first time. i chewed 175 mixed morning glory seeds on a empty stomach. i took a Anti-biotic earlier that day, which im thinking could have set it off maybe. and i weigh 185 pounds... i took them at around 9 PM and waited until 1 AM and still felt nothing.... next morning when i woke up, still felt nothing.... could it be that i took to small a dose? or was i right in thinking the Anti-Biotics could have affected it.... i want to try again tomorow, and idk what i should try to change this time... help?
 
Subushie said:
well like 2 days ago, i tried Morning Glory Seeds for the first time. i chewed 175 mixed morning glory seeds on a empty stomach. i took a Anti-biotic earlier that day, which im thinking could have set it off maybe. and i weigh 185 pounds... i took them at around 9 PM and waited until 1 AM and still felt nothing.... next morning when i woke up, still felt nothing.... could it be that i took to small a dose? or was i right in thinking the Anti-Biotics could have affected it.... i want to try again tomorow, and idk what i should try to change this time... help?
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probably too low. try 300 seeds.
 
petroleum ether is not lighter fluid; are you thinking of starter fluid?

--> B&D LSA thread
 
Subushie said:
well ive heard you can feel effects from doses as low as 25 seeds
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Potency does vary quite widely with morning glories. Make sure you are aware that morning glories are NOT the only LSA source, and so you may be refferring to a different plant with the 25 seeds thing. I've never heard of Ipomea spp. being active at that dose, but I just may not have heard of it.

I would try to extract the morning glories down to as purer alkaloid you can get, and then you could have an estimate of what your desired dose is.
 
ok now that ive read some better reports of what its really like, ive realized that i did trip, but in the bad way, i remember thinking i was going to die because the MG's might have a bad effect on the anti-biotics, and i was thinking u really halucinated on it, but i do rememeber things breathing, and everything looking a tiny bit morphy, not really my choice of drug, but i guess it could be useful if you knew what was really going to happen... if i ever do it again i'll switch to a much higher dose.
 
levictus said:
Yeah, just eat the seeds. Removing the coating doesn't do shit. It's a common urban legend that removing the coating will help with nausea...
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hmmm. that's interesting
I find that when removing the coating it definitely feels like I absorb some of the toxins and feel some nausea even before I eat the seeds. why is that?

I always remove the coating.
Last time I eat the seeds I barfed after 25 minutes and was flying...usually takes at least 90mins to come on for me though.
 
a new generation of morning glory plants is growing in my garden.
i went out there today and found a plant with a white leaf. not a flower, a leaf!(though some of the plants are already flowering even though their only about six inches tall) it looked healthy i supose, unless the leaf being completly white is a bad thing.

im wondering if anyone has ever heard of this before?

edit: there is only one leaf on the plant and a bud forming right now other than the initial two leaves (forgot the biological name) that form right after it germinates.
 
In the way of LSA

So now I'm curious. I've been reading into LSA lately and I'm a bit in the dark, despite my research. I read in a number of places that LSA isn't even active in humans unless it's altered in some way (or some such shit) but I've done Morning Glory once with subtley pleasant effects. The only reason I'm questioning it now after reading that is because ever since the second time I did LSD I find myself with the ability to induce the illuminating acidy effects without the stimulus of the drug, given the proper mind-set and setting of course. Not a full-on trip mind you, just small amounts of the euphoric, onset feeling, the brightening of light, and accentuation of sounds and colors and a certain amount of self-analyisis that doesn't fit the norm.
Now reading that, I wonder if what I experiance with the MG's wasn't just that. I little self-induced/psychosomatic effect, as the experiance wasn't at all intense. So i guess what I'm wondering is whether anyone has had good, valid experiances with LSA, any insight to my situation, or any stories on the matter in general. If anyone HAS had good experiance, what method would you suggest. I have chanced upon 25 HWBR seeds and am waiting patiently for a good idea to come my way. Thanks.

Later Dudes
 
Merged in a question about LSA-containing seeds.

Wherever you heard that LSA is inactive unless altered is full of shit. FIrst of all, there are many different lysergic alkaloids in LSA-containing seeds... more appropriately they should be called LSAs. In other words, it is not one single chemical. And those chemicals are all active to some extent in humans without any sort of change.

If you're taking 25 seeds with little result, your seeds are weak. With appropriately strong seeds, 5 can produce pretty strong effects. Also, the effects are different from LSD. They are two separate drugs.
 
Okay cool, thanks. And I know they're different chems, and don't do the same thing. I don't expect them to. And wasn't even THINKING about doing all 25 of them, I've never even tried HBWR before, I wouldn't be that stupid to try. Appreciate the input.
 
"The seeds are not ingested whole--they are not active in this form (Kinross-Wright 1959; B.P. Reko 1934). They are ground to a fine powder, which is then steeped for several hours in cold water, after which the solid matter is filtered off and discarded. The liquid is then drunk neat or with juice for flavoring." (Ott Pharmacotheon 1993, pg. 140)"

I think this is one of the things I read that must have got me confused. I read it a while ago and didn't remember it correctly. My bad.
 
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