The Big and Dandy DXM Thread (archive start - 12-13-07)

[rolls]

Upon pondering, it could be possible that use of DXM may in fact reduce teenage sexual behaviour and pregnancy, though it seems the sexual side effects are more pronounced in older people so that may not in fact be the case. It would be intersting to see if a corelating study were done on this possibility.

Taking an SSRI is more effective and a safer method of doing this.

 

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Personally I would never have tried DXM if it wasn't for hearing about it on these forums, however I'm sure the average Joe down the road that was thinking about downing 15 triple Cs and dying didn't because he read not to on here.

End of the day which is worse, more drug users (educated) or less drug users that aren't educated. Its not a clear cut answer and you could argue that most people that visit this site are already users anyway.

I don't think anyone can argue that comments like this do any good.

Good point, but if we start moderating these forums to remove comments like that then the users will just move elsewhere. At least here educated people can step in and give advice opposed to say, some shitty forum where everyone just talks about the best way to get fucked up.

 

[rolls]

Those of us who are old enough or experienced enough to understand the pitfalls of drug use should try to discourage others from making the same mistakes. But it seems like this forum is used mainly for selfish purposes. Couldn't we do more?

I totally agree, nothing stopping you from doing that, I personally don't visit this site that often but I try my best. I think we will always have new immature users on this site that don't care though.

 

[Xorkoth]

I'm not suggesting that we remove comments like that. I'm suggesting that we (as an online community) behave in a manner that actually reduces harm rather than just pretending to. Those of us who are old enough or experienced enough to understand the pitfalls of drug use should try to discourage others from making the same mistakes. But it seems like this forum is used mainly for selfish purposes. Couldn't we do more?

I try to do that, although I admit that my own drug use is not always particularly responsible. I can't get all of them though. This is one of the highest-traffic forums on Bluelight. Please feel free to put your ideas into action.

As an interesting note, as a dumb kid I used Coricidin, not even understanding it was DXM or what DXM was, just knowing it as "Coricidin". I then researched it online after a few tries and quickly began to become educated, and never used that shit again. Without the online community, I would not have ever learned this, nor would the other kids in my area. Not that all of them listened. Which brings me to my next point: no matter what you do you'll have people who won't listen and who will do stupid shit.

So, perhaps drug use rising has something to do with the online community at places such as Bluelight. In fact, I'm sure it does. However, at this point, there it is, it's growing, and would it be more beneficial to stop sharing of knowledge, or to continue it to make sure that drug-using kids don't become even more ignorant? And on a final note, Bluelight, despite being imperfect, is the forum most focused on harm reduction that I've ever visited.

But you're right, we could be doing better as a community. I'd love to see more contributions by you and everyone else in this respect.

 

[holy roller]

DXM first trip

so im an experienced drug user... and i LOVE psychedelics! i really like Acid and mushrooms... and ive dabbled a bit in 2-cb. ive heard some good things about DXM but ive never tried it and im not sure on proper dosage. i really want to have a good first experience. ive searched through BL but i cant really find anything on first time dosage. i was thinking starting off with 200-300mg (13-20 15mg robotussin gelcaps) would this be a good amount for a decent first trip? or should i take a little more or less? plus i wanted to know what to expect from the trip. how does the come up feel? how do i know if ive taken enough? any help that any of you can give me would be greatly appreciated.

 

[supercoolmancool]

Do you want to get high or do you want crazy stuff to happen? If you are interested in a psychedelic experience I wouldn't suggest anything below a 3rd platue trip. I say take 600mg if you have a sober sitter. If you are alone than work your way up. DXM is a violent high. You don't want to do it alone your first time.

 

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how do i know if ive taken enough? any help that any of you can give me would be greatly appreciated./QUOTE]

You'll probably throw up, however it'll take 40-60 mins for that to happen.

 

[Xorkoth]

Do you want to get high or do you want crazy stuff to happen? If you are interested in a psychedelic experience I wouldn't suggest anything below a 3rd platue trip. I say take 600mg if you have a sober sitter. If you are alone than work your way up. DXM is a violent high. You don't want to do it alone your first time.

Start with ~100mg to see if you're one of the ~7% who may be lack a certain liver enzyme (CYP-2D6) that breaks DXM down. If you do lack that enzyme, more than that could be dangerous to your health. If you get little to no reaction to 100mg, then you can go ahead with about maybe 300mg. After that, if you react well, you can work your way up.

Starting with 600mg right off the bat would be foolish.

 

[Obyron]

No. What I'm saying is that this forum encourages people to take drugs while at the same time informing them of how to do so safely. You could argue that people would do drugs anyway, but pro-drug internet forums (like this one) encourage the use of different drugs. Drugs that a lot of people would never have heard of.



I disagree. More and more kids are using drugs. There are higher frequencies of overdoses every year. The popularity of drugs isn't something that is out of our control, it's just easier on our conscience (having contributed to it) to assume that it is and avoid the responsibility of our actions.

Kids will do drugs, yes. But how many? ...and are we indirectly encouraging them to do so by taking part in conversations regarding the details of various dangerous substances on a public forum?

I agree with you that, as a community, we should be making sure that our attitude is geared more toward reducing harm, but at the same time I disagree with you on other points.

I don't think a whole lot of people come here as innocent babes in the woods and are seduced into eating of the tree of knowledge by the silver-tongued serpents of bluelight. If they come to this forum it's because they're already thinking about drugs or have some sort of preoccupation with drugs if they're not already using them outright. By coming here they're able to get (mostly) good advice. How many people has bluelight actually saved? Something tells me we're doing a lot more good than harm.

Bluelight is full of knowledgeable people and good advice, about everything from the potential for CYP-2D6 deficiency to the potential danger of snorting 2Cs and all stops in between. You can read a lot of glowing experiences that might make you want to experiment with a new substance, but you can also read some nightmares like my experience with MDPV that show you what not to do.

I choose to be optimistic and take the stance that if overdoses are rising, then those are people that bluelight either didn't reach at all, or people who completely ignored everything this site told them. DXM, when used responsibly, is as safe as any other drug, however safe that might be.

So yeah, I totally agree with you that we need to make sure we're emphasizing harm reduction more, but I don't see all the gloom and doom that you do.

 

[mulberryman]

Taking an SSRI is more effective and a safer method of doing this.

Well, obviously it would, but to someone who knows nothing of pharmacology and has limited access to psychoactive compounds, and likely doesn't even understand why the drive to use what they use, it is still quite amazing how people (and even some animals) can self-medicate themselves with what they have available. I'm not that DXM should be encouraged as a remedy for depression and anxiety, only that it may be being used as such, by many who don't even realize it.

 

[mulberryman]

Kids will do drugs, yes. But how many? ...and are we indirectly encouraging them to do so by taking part in conversations regarding the details of various dangerous substances on a public forum?

Pharmacology student: This one sounds particularily dangerous.

Pharmacist: Indeed, it is.

Teenager: Oooh, killer! I gotta get me some of that!

lol.

 

[proxopata]

Hi guys!

I wondered what is better in terms of body load.

Eat 30-40 15mg dxm pillz
or maybe crush them and dissolve them in liquid ?

Another question - Eating them on full stomach helps ?

 

[Bavanai]

Hi guys!

I wondered what is better in terms of body load.

Eat 30-40 15mg dxm pillz
or maybe crush them and dissolve them in liquid ?

Another question - Eating them on full stomach helps ?

Just eat the pills. Don't dissolve them because they taste like crap. And it's the same buzz anyway, it will just comeup faster. And eating them on a full stomach will make them more "extended release-like" I think.

 

[Ptah]

I'm not suggesting that we remove comments like that. I'm suggesting that we (as an online community) behave in a manner that actually reduces harm rather than just pretending to. Those of us who are old enough or experienced enough to understand the pitfalls of drug use should try to discourage others from making the same mistakes. But it seems like this forum is used mainly for selfish purposes. Couldn't we do more?

I agree but can't do more than my best (and occasionally fail).
Some others don't give a fuck, like to brag, or look for company in their misery and stupidity.

Btw PD is pretty mild compared to some other focus forums. Some actually look like running IV heroin etc. advertisements.
Harm reduction is pretty low key or even nonexistent in those, yet censoring still isn't a solution IMO.
Smart people can see through the bullshit posted there, but the 2-digit IQ majority may very well get the impression that being a junkie is cool and fun.

I don't have a real solution.

 

[Suity]

Hi guys!

I wondered what is better in terms of body load.

Eat 30-40 15mg dxm pillz
or maybe crush them and dissolve them in liquid ?

Another question - Eating them on full stomach helps ?

Eating 30 to 40 pills?? That alone just sounds dangerous.

 

[Solipsis]

Why? Just because of the amount, a mere number? That would come to 450-600 mg which is just about a 3rd level trip for a skinny person, certainly too much for beginners but otherwise not that dangerous. People, try to grasp that stuff like saying "eating 10 hits of acid gave me a normal trip" doesn't mean anything if you don't know the dose. Yes there are averages but they still give no guarantee at all. If someone eats 10 XTC pills, chances are it's a bit excessive but you don't know unless you know the dosage...

How about a DXM poll about if you like the drug in general and if you don't if it's because of body load or just absence of interesting or pleasurable effects? Some say only like 1/3 of the people really dig it, I'm interested how true this is... to me it certainly seems uncommon to like it (i.e. have cool and crazy experiences minus the bad body load).

And, regarding stimulation of drug use...
It is like asking if a liberal policy works, i find there is enough evidence to say that it does: look around the world, telling ppl just not to use drugs like in the US just doesn't work. All this constructive talk on BL about psychedelics and other more conventional substances may give the idea that it increases drug use but it's probably not true. I actually think it's a little weird, but legalizing something like weed in the Netherlands doesn't get more people to use it. Some will because they don't have to get into illegal circuits but others don't anymore because it's not as cool or interesting.
The main point is that people should be able to choose for themselves if they want to use a substance, dangerous or not. Open discussion and harm reduction will at least improve the safety when they decide to go ahead and use.
I see people talking about using very obscure drugs here on BL, PD at least, and sometimes combining massive combinations and doses. Very often I wouldn't say it's done as responsible as possible but it still beats shutting up about it and letting people get their information from their dealers (!)

 

[Suity]

Why? Just because of the amount, a mere number? That would come to 450-600 mg which is just about a 3rd level trip for a skinny person, certainly too much for beginners but otherwise not that dangerous. People, try to grasp that stuff like saying "eating 10 hits of acid gave me a normal trip" doesn't mean anything if you don't know the dose. Yes there are averages but they still give no guarantee at all. If someone eats 10 XTC pills, chances are it's a bit excessive but you don't know unless you know the dosage...

How about a DXM poll about if you like the drug in general and if you don't if it's because of body load or just absence of interesting or pleasurable effects? Some say only like 1/3 of the people really dig it, I'm interested how true this is... to me it certainly seems uncommon to like it (i.e. have cool and crazy experiences minus the bad body load).

And, regarding stimulation of drug use...
It is like asking if a liberal policy works, i find there is enough evidence to say that it does: look around the world, telling ppl just not to use drugs like in the US just doesn't work. All this constructive talk on BL about psychedelics and other more conventional substances may give the idea that it increases drug use but it's probably not true. I actually think it's a little weird, but legalizing something like weed in the Netherlands doesn't get more people to use it. Some will because they don't have to get into illegal circuits but others don't anymore because it's not as cool or interesting.
The main point is that people should be able to choose for themselves if they want to use a substance, dangerous or not. Open discussion and harm reduction will at least improve the safety when they decide to go ahead and use.
I see people talking about using very obscure drugs here on BL, PD at least, and sometimes combining massive combinations and doses. Very often I wouldn't say it's done as responsible as possible but it still beats shutting up about it and letting people get their information from their dealers (!)

Yes I understand the mg amount he is taking, I can multiply... I actually meant it as a joke, downing 40 pills seems ridiculous but of course its the easiest way for them to get the effect they're after so go for it I won't try to stop them.

 

[Solipsis]

Yes I understand the mg amount he is taking, I can multiply... I actually meant it as a joke, downing 40 pills seems ridiculous but of course its the easiest way for them to get the effect they're after so go for it I won't try to stop them.

Ok then, I was (also) talking in general anyway so I still implore everyone to consider it
I had melatonin tablets containing 0,1 mg so every night that I took them, i had to munch a huge pile of them lol, that probably didn't look to healthy either.
Another random thing: I love liquid measurements, dissolving anything I have and coloring it... I measure everything by syringe, GHB too. Just find it funny that people panic when they see needles in a drug context but take GHB by eyeballed caps then get knocked out.
What I'm trying to say with all this is when it comes to drugs, try to think for yourself even though you might not like a scientific view. The idea that all types of drugs have a standard dose is silly and risky. A lot of irresponsible assumptions stem from this, like adjusting your initial dose to the standard reaction. Of course it's all with good intention, people extrapolate from the best known substances like alcohol and think they can just boldly calculate their high.

 

[Madmike]

Objects start to glow even without DXM if one binges...

 

[mindtools]

Ok, but what amount od lecithin should I take? I've heard somewhere, that around 6g. Any other suggestions?
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