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Phenethylamines The Big and Dandy DOT/Aleph-1 Thread

I got to sleep around 3:30am (my last post above was 1:04am my time). I had a nice time overall just browsing Bluelight and drifting around with my eyes closed. Didn't really go anywhere though. I might describe it as the "Beth state". It wasn't bad, and it wasn't particularly interesting. I have a nice afterglow today, however... I feel pretty great! So far that has been my favorite aspect of the experience. Whenever I try it again I will go higher. I did get a faint headache at times though... there was something a bit uncomfortable about the whole experience, but it could just be that I haven't tripped for some time and I am no longer used to the bodyload from phenethylamines, so it took me by surprise. Basically, not much happened but I'm glad to have experienced it. I will surely try it again at a higher dose sometime, at least 5mg.

Of note is that I could barely feel kratom while on it. I took some earlier in the experience, and also took another dose at around 3am to see if I could put a dent in the light stimulation I was feeling that was preventing my sleep. I felt it a little bit, but actually threw up from it, which I have not done in a very long time with kratom. So I must have had an awful lot, but it really just barely got through the DOT cloud mentally.
 
some say it ressembles low dose amt, but those descriptions seem very similar to 2c-t-21...as in "I felt both normal & "on a drug" at the same time. " and with a positive touch
even though i haven't indulged in higher dosages of t21 most reports seem very similar to my experience of it
i might try this one in the future
 
Being a lover of AMT, I would say this did not resemble AMT to me at all. But I will have to have a few more trials before I can really have a solid opinion on it... a single try with a psychedelic is never a reliable way to determine its properties, especially when that trial might just be below the necessary dosage level for full effects.
 
some say it ressembles low dose amt, but those descriptions seem very similar to 2c-t-21
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While AMT or 2C-T-21 might be the closest for comparison, they're still not that close (eg describing psilocybin as being like mescaline if you'd not experienced any other psychedelics). I found it to be a unique subset of the psychedelic experience in the same way that say MDA or MMDA are psychedelic, but unlike any other drug described as being psychedelic in action


BTW - on reading that back, I'm horrified I used the phrase 'subset of the psychedelic experience', but I'm rather tired and geekspeak just seemed the easiest way to express myself =D
 
anything more come of this, what of the intellectual/conceptual frenzy reported by shulgin? no notionscape? it seems only three have it so please continue to tantalize!
 
Xorkoth said:
But I will have to have a few more trials before I can really have a solid opinion on it... a single try with a psychedelic is never a reliable way to determine its properties, especially when that trial might just be below the necessary dosage level for full effects.
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Aye - has anyone revisited this substance yet ?
 
i shelved it for experiments with the more alluring simple tryptamines (DMT, MET, DPT).

I am on a quest for DET now!!!! :D
 
Gaian Planes said:
i shelved it for experiments with the more alluring simple tryptamines (DMT, MET, DPT).

I am on a quest for DET now!!!! :D
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You, me and half of PD I'd imagine!
 
i'll shin-kick anybody and everybody that I have to in order to get this stuff =D

DET playground rules apply! =D
 
That's how I felt about DOT & MMDA after lusting after them for 20 odd years - all things come to (s)he who waits :D
 
yes...i have a feeling DET will come to us after enough time waiting. I have another feeling DET will be a gentle loving mother <3
 
but back on topic, I do believe I am going to take a higher dose soon, possibly for the full moon at night whilst dancing my soul in the stars around the moon <3
 
You coulda got DET when everyone else was getting visited by MET.

you choose unwisely.
 
Gaian Planes said:
but back on topic, I do believe I am going to take a higher dose soon, possibly for the full moon at night whilst dancing my soul in the stars around the moon <3
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Any ideas what dosage that might be Mr Planes ?
 
I was reading erowid/pikhal on the matter recently & a full dose was reckoned to be about 20 mgs perhaps more, if I recall correctly.

Wild variance of the strength of effect I noted from the reports it contained
 
you must have got the wrong compound in pihkal then. Here's DOT:

DOSAGE: 5–10 mg.

DURATION: 6–8 h.

QUALITATIVE COMMENTS: (with 5 mg) “The initial hints of action were physical—warming of first the legs, and then a comfortable warmth spread over the entire body. Intense intellectual stimulation, one that inspired the scribbling of some 14 pages of handwritten notes. Which is a pretty good record for an experience that is almost entirely non-verbal. The afterglow was benign and rich in empathy for everything. And by the sixth hour I was quite hungry.”

(with 10 mg) “There was a rapid shift of frame of reference that made simple tasks such as reading and tuning the radio quite alien. I happened to catch the eyes of Pretty Baby, the cat, at the same moment she looked at me, and she turned and fled. I am able to interact with people on the telephone quite well but mechanical things, such as arranging flowers or alphabetizing names, are beyond me. Driving would be impossible.”

EXTENSIONS AND COMMENTARY: This specific compound is probably the first sulfur-containing phenethylamine to have been evaluated as a potentially active CNS stimulant or psychedelic. It was a complete, total, absolute unknown. The first trials were made at the sub-microgram level, specifically at 0.25 micrograms, at 11:30 a.m. on September 3, 1975. Part of this extreme precaution was due to the uniqueness of a new heteroatom in a phenethylamine system. But part was due to the strange manic excitement that occurred at the time of the isolation and characterizing of the final product in the laboratory. Although it was certainly all placebo response, I was jumpy and unable to stay in the lab for more than a few minutes at a time. Maybe dust in the air? Maybe some skin contact with the free base? Now, I know there was nothing, but the possibility of extraordinary potency was real, and I did indeed wash everything down anyway. In fact, it took a total of 18 trials to work the experimental dosage up to as much as a single milligram. In retrospect, overly cautious. But retrospection, as they say, is cheap.

The 5 milligram experiment, briefly quoted from above, is the stuff of Chapter 14 of this book, important in that it gives an interesting example of some thought processes associated with psychedelic intoxication, ego-inflation, and what might be thought of as bits of mania. As is always the case with peak experiences that happen to be catalyzed by drugs, this extraordinary event could not be duplicated. At 7 milligrams there was an uneventful +1, and some 10 milligrams was needed to generate a full +3 experience. The first clue of the erratic nature of the Aleph family came from an independent assay by a colleague of mine, one who was very familiar with such states of consciousness, but for whom this was not a time for peak experiences. At 10 milligrams he told me that he had had only mild effects which he found relatively uninteresting.

As it stands, ALEPH remains relatively unexplored. Its two positional isomers are entered here as ORTHO-DOT and META-DOT. Three higher homologues have been more thoroughly looked at, and the generic name ALEPH (the first letter of the Hebrew alphabet) was given this group on the basis that they might have extraordinary properties in common. But the real treasure came in the exploring of the 2-carbon homologues, the compounds that make up the 2C-T family. Here, there proved to be much less uncertainty as to reasonable dosages, and much more richness in the subjective nature of the experience.
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You are correct - tho I read that I read something else as well - muddlations :!
 
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