The Big and Dandy DMT Thread
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fastandbulbous
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The acid that cleans copper coins & rots yor teeth is phosphoric acid; it's listed in the ingredients on the side of the can. Also proton pump inhibitors are used to treat peptic ulcers and oesophogeal reflux (heartburn from hell) - I suffered for years from the latter (could have cured it by twatting my boss at work, but not really an option if I wanted to keep my job), to the point that my gullet (oesophegeus) might be scarred with the stomach acid. If I vomit it can only make the scarring worse & possibly induce an ulcer there (which is incredibly difficult to treat, they generally just surgically resection the gullet instead).
That's why I don't want to puke, going into a ayahuasca/pharmahuasce experience with heartburn from hell, it doesn't seem like it would be too pleasant to say the least.
Ismene said:
I'm of the opinion that the shaman works well for the people for that culture, but because westerners are from a different culture they lack so many points of reference that what the shaman has to say has little impact on them. A bit like people from that society taking a psychedelic of western origin (like LSD) with a psychologist leading the group - they're going to lose out on so many cultural references etc
lostreality
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My experience on purging is that it acts as a physical metaphor that expels bad thoughts. Usually when I take ayahuasca, it starts to hit in 30 mins. The come up is quick the speed of the come up, negative thoughts, and nausea all combine. At about the 50 to 60 minute mark, I puked and feel wonderful, mentally very powerful,and free of any negativity. On lower doses I don't puke. I consider myself sensitive to puking. I take a syrian rue extract and dmt citrate.
Drug Geek
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fastandbulbous said:
This may not be absolute. My girlfriend has tried pharmahuasca now three times, and has been unable to elicit an experience. She doses with syrian rue, which lends a small amount of nausea but nothing too serious, waits an hour, doses with the DMT, and within ten minutes of the DMT hitting her gut the puking starts. Redosing with more DMT later brings on a new wave of nausea and puking. So, perhaps DMT also causes nausea, perhaps it is the combo, but my instincts tell me there are no absolute rules. Everyone reacts differently to such things.
It is interesting that the discussion moved from predominantly smoked DMT to oral DMT. I'm happy about it, because I think the oral DMT route is too often overlooked. Smoking is amazing in it's own right, but I 'liked' the oral route (I've done it once) because I found it to be far more engaging mentally. By engaging, I mean it was therapeutic, thought provoking, deep, introspective. Smoking has yielded some therapeutic effects for me no doubt, but nothing even close to the oral route. Oral DMT was the single most intense therapeutic trip I have ever had, far deeper than anything else, rivaled only by a 10g mushroom ++++ experience I once had. In fact, those two are the only ++++ I've had period.
My dose was 3 g ground rue seeds, swallowed raw, followed 45 minutes later by 50 mg DMT crystals. It rocked my world, tore my brain apart, scattered it all over the floor to look at and analyze, then put it all back together. Bloody intense, bloody difficult, and highly rewarding. I would recommend it to anyone wanting to understand the nature of DMT more fully. It is the sort of experience I would only take on once a year at most, and I wouldn't dream of doing it by myself. After it was over I thought I'd never waste my time smoking DMT again, which has turned out not to be the case. I do enjoy smoking now because it is a lower-level committment to revisit that space again, but it just demonstrates the level to which it effected me at the time.
I'd love to hear from someone else that has tried this combo. I can only find a handful of similar experiences online.
By the way,
Dose to peak about 2 hours.
Peak lasted about 1-1.5 hours.
Come down was rapid, about 15 minutes to a half hour.
fastandbulbous
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What I meant is that it's the beta carboline alkaloids that initiate the nausea, the DMT may increase it but it's increased harmala nausea. If it was dur to the DMT there should be frequent vomiting from smoking/injecting DMT on it's own, but there isn't. Considering caapi/harmala alkaloids on their own produce nausea it seems the logical conclusion to come to
fastandbulbous
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Ismene said:
I'll try making a soln of DMT in tartaric acid (form DMT tartrate) and get it to pH7 before using rectally. If I predose with a small amount of MAOI rectally an hour beforehand it might be enough to knock out all of the loval gut MAO. That way I can swallow a bottle of gavescon brefore the rectal DMT so that if I do puke it'll not scar my oesophegus any further (mind you I'd rather not puke full stop!)
As I said, it's harmala alkaloid nausea, but the DMT amplifies it. Use a non harmala MAOI & there wont be any (or less) nausea to potentiate
psood0nym
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DMT HCl (IM administration)
Needed to test the batch (synthesized DMT HCl):
T+0 IM inject ~25mg DMT HCl (mild burning at injection site in upper thigh)
T+2 First alerts
T+4 The build is slower than I expected but continuous. My face is tingling.
T+8 Mild visual…augmentation
T+13 “If this is going to amount to anything, I’d better finish it”. I IM inject the remaining ~25mg.
T+27 I’d call it a high +1. I see why Shulgin recommends 60 to 100mgs IM. I've certainly heard of lower doses doing a lot, but not for me and Shulgin I guess. At this level it just feels like a tryptamine. There are no DMT signatures.
T+35 Take a hit of nuggets. Just a mildly trippy high now. I’m hungry.
T+45 The pot is masking whatever’s left of the DMT—I think. I’m up and down in 1 hr with ayahuasca (I use at least 16g of Mimosa Hostilis (fine "Mimohuasca"));it wouldn’t surprise me if the DMT were gone already.
I used 12mg of 4-AcO-DMT just two days ago so there could be some cross-tolerance. Hell, tolerance could have started developing in the 13 minutes between injections, I don’t know. I also snorted a small, unknown amount about 0.5hrs prior to see if DMT HCl burns. It does, but not terribly. I’m not sure if sub-threshold doses have tolerance affects or not. Next time I will not hesitate to do 90mg, and all at once (I’m pretty comfortable with DMT from ayahuasca use). Conversion to freebase or IV are also possibilities.
Needed to test the batch (synthesized DMT HCl):
T+0 IM inject ~25mg DMT HCl (mild burning at injection site in upper thigh)
T+2 First alerts
T+4 The build is slower than I expected but continuous. My face is tingling.
T+8 Mild visual…augmentation
T+13 “If this is going to amount to anything, I’d better finish it”. I IM inject the remaining ~25mg.
T+27 I’d call it a high +1. I see why Shulgin recommends 60 to 100mgs IM. I've certainly heard of lower doses doing a lot, but not for me and Shulgin I guess. At this level it just feels like a tryptamine. There are no DMT signatures.
T+35 Take a hit of nuggets. Just a mildly trippy high now. I’m hungry.
T+45 The pot is masking whatever’s left of the DMT—I think. I’m up and down in 1 hr with ayahuasca (I use at least 16g of Mimosa Hostilis (fine "Mimohuasca"));it wouldn’t surprise me if the DMT were gone already.
I used 12mg of 4-AcO-DMT just two days ago so there could be some cross-tolerance. Hell, tolerance could have started developing in the 13 minutes between injections, I don’t know. I also snorted a small, unknown amount about 0.5hrs prior to see if DMT HCl burns. It does, but not terribly. I’m not sure if sub-threshold doses have tolerance affects or not. Next time I will not hesitate to do 90mg, and all at once (I’m pretty comfortable with DMT from ayahuasca use). Conversion to freebase or IV are also possibilities.
swilow
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IM doses are slower to show themselves, and require more DMT from what i've read. Just smoke it 
fastandbulbous
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I got reasonable effects from 35-40mg IM, but then I'm somewhat sensitive to tryptamines
psood0nym
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I had to heat it to go into solution. You'll want to crush it up as much as possible before dousing it, and filter it. My batch is also a bit gooey in saline before dissolution, which is closer to the description of it I've heard before. This stuff almost has the texture of wax. Weird. Maybe something was done differently to it to keep it from becoming the yellow goo DMT HCl has been described as before?
Jabberwocky
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I wish someone could test these new batches of DMT hcl that have been synth'd. I'm a little nervous as there have been a couple of recent failed attempts at this certain synthesis right before the chemical was going to hit the internet.
Everyone should filter if they are going to IM.
Everyone should filter if they are going to IM.
specialrelativity
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150mg of harmaline HCl and 50 mg of DMT freebase(a sort of pharamahuasca) put into a gel cap seems to be very effective.
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Jabberwocky
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if its pink please give comments asap.
thanks
also comments on the 4-HO-DMT are welcome too...
Peace and Love
thanks
also comments on the 4-HO-DMT are welcome too...
Peace and Love
Xorkoth
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samadhi_smiles said:
That's an understatement. Bring on the reviews!
TheAngryGolfer
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how does this dmt hcl that has been going around compare to the stuff extracted from MHRB?
Jabberwocky
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Xorkoth said:
Uh....at the moment I'm not sure if it might even be 4-HO-DMT or DMT for that matter. I'd like to rebuild my confidence on this one it has been shaken after the first failed synthesis attempt and now a batch of pink DMT.
Pink???
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samadhi_smiles said:
I have personally never seen synthesized DMT, but I remember hearing that it can have a pink tint.
I was also under the impression that DMT does not crystallize as an hcl salt though.
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Youkai
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I would liek to nkow the difference in synthed energy as aposed to smoking plant spirits.
Plan spirits ahve been doing me VERY well for the last few months I realy cant express how much I find use for these lil guys. Today I plan on going to teh river a buddy, bring my dog and finding some suitable rocks in the middle of the river and me and the buddy are going to talk to the world. I think the water will be something to behold!!!!!
next, on out door DMT adventures will be back home at THE BEACH!!! I cant imagien the sand, gigady gigady gigady GOO!
the crystal visions is just something that feels so right... sweet lord I am inlove with a spirit!
Plan spirits ahve been doing me VERY well for the last few months I realy cant express how much I find use for these lil guys. Today I plan on going to teh river a buddy, bring my dog and finding some suitable rocks in the middle of the river and me and the buddy are going to talk to the world. I think the water will be something to behold!!!!!
next, on out door DMT adventures will be back home at THE BEACH!!! I cant imagien the sand, gigady gigady gigady GOO!
the crystal visions is just something that feels so right... sweet lord I am inlove with a spirit!
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