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The Big and Dandy DMT thread - Next Phase

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yeah, Im leaving the MDMA alone for awhile. I didnt end up going to P groove but to digital frontier as my show. It was unbelievably awesome, smoking deemsters with the band members in the bathroom, the entire place reaked of indole because of me and two of my group memebrs. But then on the way home I took some 5htp and had soem of the teamsters come over for a few DMT blasts i which we all discuss our experiences. I JUST COULDNT GET THERE. It was all wrong every time I smoked it. Not bringing me to that place but almost half way there.

Its like, when you get there, it starts by something laying wlal paper, and then the wal paper starts to bud new stuff out of it, then you go throught it, through the viel. I could never go through the viel. I was always stuck right ebfor it. When I got sick I packed u a realy big blast, one that should have ment I would break through but instead It just went all wrong, so damn horrible. Then my friend had teh same experience. A horrible purging, he thought he was dying as well.


I was able to get a pretty good blast alone, in the dark right befor I passed out, that was pretty good.
 
Like I said in a previous post where I mentioned that I stopped using DMT for about six months my last experience was negative.

I think overusing DMT is what leads to this. Just like overusing MDMA can lead to negative physical and mental effects. When used in moderation it's fine but overuse can be dangerous. This seems like the same case with DMT which is why I stopped.

The amount you've been posting in this thread about experiences you've had would indicate overuse to me. Just take a break from all psychedelics for awhile.

Everything is fine in moderation but it sounds like you're bordering on abuse which is never fine. Anyway, take care.
 
Define overuse. I used a lot of DMT in a short amount of time, a few times smoking half a gram in one day-

It was during a period of my life where I needed it or rather this type of use benefited me-

I had my head on straight (one of my most rewarding relationships began during this time period) and have since integrated a lot of what I learned from myself into a healthy life perspective-

It all depends on where you are in your life, but I generally agree with you, DMT (and other psychedelics) are best done sparingly to accent an already rich life-

Ideally, one already can find the awe, mystery and love in Life - the psychedelics just help you crystalize a bit of that perspective into meaningful experiences-
 
Youkai said:
this ever happend to any of you? the DMT no matter what just doesnt work right...
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DMT has always been unpredictable for me. One time I will be surrounded by pretty patterns and angles and then all the sudden next time powerful demons with come rock my world and scare the hell out of me. Usually only 1 out of 10 or 20 trips is scary or a rough ride. Not sure why I have only come up with a few theories.

DMT is just plain unpredictable

Other substances in my blood, I notice even mild things like tobacco and caffeine can affect the way DMT acts. I was wondering if that is part of the reason why Indians have so many diet restrictions when they use it.

The events and mental imprints or the past day or days. Sometimes I notice the content of my DMT trips reflects some of the events and thoughts I have been having recently similar to dreams at night.

It is a living entity that is teaching lessons. I am not very superstitious but sometimes those scary trips make me wonder.

DMT unravels our minds and personal make up and we get to psychological holding patterns and blockages that when the release it the reflection of the pent up negative energy alters the trip.

I am leaning towards the last theory but it is hard to say a DMT breakthrough is a very complex event made up of many different aspects.
 
I attempted breakthrough again on Friday night, actually on top of some LSA (which was a great experience). I got right up to the veil (for the second time), but was unable to get through. I began hearing a frantic crescendo of syllables in my head as a drifted along this bright and strange veil, strange glossolalia that was amusing. I just couldn't find a way through the veil though, and it began to fade and I knew I wouldn't be breaking through. Then I felt less nice than I did before the DMT. I had been at a stage with the LSA where it was really kicking in full-swing, and my body felt absolutely amazing, flushed and warm and pulsating with euphoric energy. After the DMT I felt a bit scattered and even though it was an interesting experience I wished I had left it with the LSA, because I had been feeling social and euphoric and after the DMT I felt a bit out of sorts for a few hours.
 
Xorkoth said:
I attempted breakthrough again on Friday night, actually on top of some LSA (which was a great experience). I got right up to the veil (for the second time), but was unable to get through. I began hearing a frantic crescendo of syllables in my head as a drifted along this bright and strange veil, strange glossolalia that was amusing. I just couldn't find a way through the veil though, and it began to fade and I knew I wouldn't be breaking through. Then I felt less nice than I did before the DMT. I had been at a stage with the LSA where it was really kicking in full-swing, and my body felt absolutely amazing, flushed and warm and pulsating with euphoric energy. After the DMT I felt a bit scattered and even though it was an interesting experience I wished I had left it with the LSA, because I had been feeling social and euphoric and after the DMT I felt a bit out of sorts for a few hours.
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interesting. if I may say so myself (and if it's not the case, please disregard and/or tell me off, your choice :) ), I don't think you want to break through. I think reading about breakthroughs and talking about them with people, all the time using the substance that can get you there makes you feel like you should get there...but maybe as more of an obligation. Either that, or you know you need to break through and your subconscious keeps stopping you. Dosage is needed to break through the veil...viewing it won't make it go away...In order to break through, you usually have to take another hit once you are hearing those syllables. I don't know...I mostly gathered that from the last part of your post, but also the fact that you have expressed trouble about breaking through.

With psychedelics (especially DMT) I find that we often come to points where there is no safety net...where we are doing things that few, if any, have done before (at least in a certain setting/intent etc.) I suppose that lack of a safety net could be what is scaring you. I mean, after a breakthrough you can't exactly talk to the postman about it the next day...it really brings you to the edge of consciousness...to being an actual psychonaut...and sometimes, for me at least...that can bring unsettling moments...

Maybe think about these things...maybe they don't affect you...but I find that usually I have LOTS of stuff like that going on in my head at all times and it can affect me in so many different ways!
 
No, I definitely want to break through... I can tell what I need to do but I can't do it. I think I need to clear my mind but as I get closer and closer my thoughts start branching and branching and I can't stop them. It wasn't the slightest bit scary or anything. I just couldn't find a way through the veil.
 
Xork, personally i think the problem is your dose.
Do not be afraid to take as many hits as physically possible, and make sure they are as big as your lungs can handle.
that always seems to do the trick for me.

Lately though 30mg does the trick just fine. I wouldnt call it a complete breakthrough as i am conscious of whats around me but i definatley feel the same energies that i feel on breakthrough doses.

This past weekend i didnt end up blasting off while on a longer lasting psych. I just didnt feel like i was in the right head for it.
But on the bright side i did have one amazing blast off while lying in the middle of a tennis court with pink floyd on the loud speakers and a winamp/i tunes type visualizer eing projected on the wall.
 
My dose was 70mg last time, unless I didn't successfully smoke it all. I took a lot of hits though. I think I may have waited too long though to stop taking hits and lay back.
 
breaking through for ,me is always done by taking monsterous hits untill my vision of the smoking device starts to shake and throw off rainbow type colros. then I immediately take one mroe hit, lay back and exhale slowly and then try to take soem deep deep breaths. If done correctly I am greated by a circus of "things" that look like they are laying wall paper, realy realy colorful wall paper, then the design in the wlal paper starts to bud, and this buding action begans to fill the entire room they created with the paper. Then I break through this and into a world of contant reformation of objects and and entities, and messages get sent to me in a non verbal language. The sound it like a puttering of music from someones lips, almost liek a popping sound, it can get pretty intence in sound, like carnival music.

Iv never realy broke through with eyes open.
 
Xorkoth said:
No, I definitely want to break through... I can tell what I need to do but I can't do it. I think I need to clear my mind but as I get closer and closer my thoughts start branching and branching and I can't stop them. It wasn't the slightest bit scary or anything. I just couldn't find a way through the veil.
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Maybe you are trying too hard. Maybe you could try to just smoke as much as you can without too much trouble and effort and relax and let the DMT take you where its going to take you. ? just a thought.
 
I take big hits held in for 7-10 seconds each. Another variable is the heat applied. The less the better. People sometimes take giant hits with the lighter *on* the material and get muted effects.

I don't think a breakthrough has much to do with ones mindset. I agree that it is a function of dose. The word breakthrough is difficult to define. The experience can be so different from one try to the next that the standard by which I judge a breakthrough changes frequently.

The world in one way or another will fly completely off the hinges.
 
I <3 dmt.

agreed on using less flame. I still use waaaay too much flame. :\ Ideally one would take several LARGE hits that they would hold in as long as possible.

didn't break through, but just completely changed my mindset and feeling (and thought processes)...wonderful! It was opening up my brain and scanning around for what needed to be fixed and then showing answers to that (this was separate of the other good feelings).
 
three big hits does it - complete breakthrough with a DMT landscape and an entity (or entities) involved that talk to you (me)-

Xorkoth - you should aim to smoke 100mg at once, perhaps with your tolerance you will need a bit more than normal -

With the machine you should be able to smoke 100mg in 3 hits- (really big hits)

as far as breaking through, I find its more has to do with the physical body than the mental status -

if the body is relaxed enough and open enough, the mind will follow

Take your hits, sit back, relax your brain, concentrate on breathing in good nurishing oxygen and 'unlock' your body -

Its all in the body, man

love,
S_S
 
Xorkoth said:
Do you hold each hit for a while, or do them quickly?
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I hold each hit in for maybe 15 seconds and then immediatly go for another. keep doing it till peak effects set in.

and like S_S said, maybe you need more material. Im sure you can find a large supply if you knew where to look. :D having a gram to play with would more then likely prove to eventualy lead to a break through experience. just keep upping teh dose. Also, try to smoke it sober. Sober will always give better effects if you never broke through befor.
 
thank you, some fool was telling me it was a month and i needed a reliable source to prove him wrong.
 
Iv never realy broke through with eyes open.
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I can never tell any difference between open eyes and shut tbh. Once your there, you ARE there. So, if you don't break through with eyes open your not breaking through IMO.

Xorkoth, you may possibly have a tolerance from use of other psychs, which is unlikely. 70mgs should get you to break through - this may sound like a shit sugggestion, but a hypnotic drug can help, as you don't have time to break the spell with your thoughts. Either way, it seems that once you've broken through, you continue doing so. Its like playing a trick on yourself. Mix in some 5-MEO-DMT if you can and then you will probably be forced to breakthrough.

I truly advocate not smoking pure crystal DMT, but dmt melted onto a carrier. I personally am not used to inhaling pure chemicals, but I'm used to inhaling huge amounts of herbs/weed/etc so by melting onto a carrier plant really helps. Eben just crumbling up the DMT and mixing it amongst a simple, inactive plant like mint or nympahea spp (caerulea has a cleaner, cooler smoke to me).

I never toke my DMT, but gently apply flame to its surrounding herbal moat of protection, and hope that the ppyrolosysis of the pant will also immolate the DMT- and I use a bong, fill the chamber with smoke and hink it down. Either way, it has to be (for me) one massive hit, no matter what amount. The times I have distinctly struggled to fulfill this task has been approaching and going beyond 100mgs- with plant to, the cone would be prolly eqiv to 150mg material, which makes a lot of fucking smoke. Fortunately, years of toruturing myself with bucket bongs, normal bongs, massive cone-pieces, smoking from absolute crud, has hardeden up my couding reflex, meaning I hardly ever cough or feel like I might- that is a huge impediment to breaking through, the faint worry that you are going to simply splurt the smoke violently out may hold one back.

But yeah, have a mediatate, and try breaking through with a less active mind, as would have been indueced with the LSA;s. Try it as soon as you wake up, before/during sunrise. Magical time, easier to break through due to decreasing magnetic fighting between moon adn sun. Or something.

Xorkoth, I can't remember; have you smoked much salvia? The same "tricks" kind of apply, though it is easier to break through on salvia, or more clearly defined. I think, in some way, that having experience with salvia, in its utter craziness and ability to obliterate reality, makes the DMT trip seem ALMOST mild in comparison, and urges less reistance. Either way, those two drugs and 5-Meo-DMT seem to be in a different category to most psychedelics you may be familiar with; intesne, metabolized to the inactive very quickly, completely freaky. I think for sheer madness, salvia winds hands down; a bit of experience with that can prepare you a bit for what DMT feels like.
 
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