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The Big and Dandy Basic Mescaline/Cactus Questions Thread (Archive 3-19-07 - 4-12-08)

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they've been arguing over the trichocerus/echinopsis thing for a while.
according to wiki, san pedro is an echinopsis, but most vendors and users still use the trichocerus terminology.
but they're the same thing whatever you wanna call it. Same plant, just botanists arguing over where it specifically belongs.
 
I know it's off topic, but i posted it in the big and dandy cactus thread with no response.
I have a 19 inch san pedro cutting and I was wondering how many inches of the plant should be submerged in the dirt? (once the cutting has dried off enough of course)

sorry to hijack the thread but i need help!!!!
edit: by the way my cacti has 6 ribs (not that it really matters), i've had one that had 7 ribs on the bottom and 6 ribs towards the top. no biggie. like said above san pedro is 4-8 ribs.
 
Enough so that it doesn't easily tip over. It doesn't really matter that much.
 
natives (peruvian i believe) regard 4-sided san pedros as 'extra sacred'. due to the number 4's powerful correlation with our lives and planet. the 4 cardinal directions, the 4 winds, the 4 paths, and some other 4s which i dont remember :)
 
I'm taking Effexor XR 150mg every morning and planning on ingesting some mescaline soon. I was wondering if there will be any bad interactions between the 2? Should I stop taking the Effexor a few days before taking the mescaline?
 
^^^No, don't stop taking your effexor, the halflife and increase in seratonin receptors will simply mean that you will go into withdrawal, unless you taper from it over several weeks; either way its not too wise to stop a medication to take drugs. I don't think there would be any significant interaction between the two, except a decrease in effects, but there is the chance of seratonin syndrome. Hopefully someone more in the know will be able to answer.
 
echinopsis is a newly founded cactus genus, which has something to do with the flowers of the cacti. that's why the san pedros are included in the echinopsis family. pretty inefficient though, considering that the echinopsis genus is very large and broad.

the raw ethanol extract would definitely help with nausea compared to eating whole cacti. however, even with pure mescaline nausea can occur.

every time that smoking mescaline comes up everyone gets all uppity and skeptical. i know from personal experience that Yes you can smoke mescaline. everyone i know who has tried this has noticed effects, even friends of mine who are not really trippers. i think the effect from smoked mescaline is a little more 'edgy' than eating it, probably due to it being processed faster. i have only ever smoked powdered san pedro, just a little sprinkle on a bowl. after a few bowls of cannabis with mescaline sprinkled on top, while sitting in candle light all my friends had native-american designs on their faces, quite noticable.

i can only imagine the intensity of smoking pure mescaline.
 
Hmmm, how would you smoke it? Dry it, grind into powder, then smoke it with weed? Or would you have to extract the mescaline?
 
^^^No, don't stop taking your effexor, the halflife and increase in seratonin receptors will simply mean that you will go into withdrawal, unless you taper from it over several weeks; either way its not too wise to stop a medication to take drugs. I don't think there would be any significant interaction between the two, except a decrease in effects, but there is the chance of seratonin syndrome. Hopefully someone more in the know will be able to answer
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Alright thanks for that answer.

to the previous poster I think you would have to extract the mescaline or you would have to smoke a lot of cacti.

I have another question..... Is 18 inches of san pedro gonna have enough mescaline to give a first timer a nice, visual high, umm I mean trip?
 
the potency varies greatly from cacti to cacti....natives say a length of san pedro the same size as your forearm is a good dose.

and about smoking....i've only ever smoked powdered green flesh (mescal containing portion), to great effect. it doesn't take much of a psychoactive chemical to reach effect when smoking if the chemial can survive the heat from smoking (which mescaline can).

with whole cacti...one POWERFUL TIP that i've learned is this.....

take a knife and nick the cactus in a few different spots (on an 18" probably a good 10 nicks), jut poke the tip of the knife through a little bit. then leave the cactus in the dark for a week or two (check it for mold, but leave it in the dark.) after a week or two (i think i did 1 1/2 wk) take the cactus, cut it horizontally into stars about 1/2 in. thick. leave these stars to dry in the sun, or in an oven (but i don't know what temp, you'd have to look it up).

this process will 2x-3x increase potency. since the cactus produces mescaline as a bug repellant, the poking and the leaving in the dark (since in time it will soften in dark, increasing bug risk) will signal the cactus to increase the mescaline content.

when i did this technique with 2- 6" peruvian torch cactus, the result was about20 cactus stars, and 2 of these was an intensely visual experience. i just made a tea of rosebuds (more vit. c than oranges) and cactus stars to rehydrate the cactus, then i chewed down the gummy stars (like candy...). and of course drink the tea as well.
 
Merged thread on 7 pointed T. pachanoi- incidentally my San Pedro is seven pointed too.

Do you guys pierce/groove your cactus in storage allegedly to promote further alkaloid production? Is this folklore?

I truly marvel at the bitterness of fresh, unprepared cactus- on a whim I bit into a small piece earlier, only to be sharply, harshly reminded of the absolute foulness within....I now know that San Pedro snot is never ever going to be able to pass my lips again. As to the method of removing the alkaloid-rich material between the skin and fibrousy core, how far do you cut? I'm not worrying about losing some mescaline/assorteds from the white flesh, and really want to reduce the amount of cactus I take, so I'm going to dry the green-jelly-cucmbery (I'm sure it has a technical term :)) segment, grind and eat.

I'm sorry snot, but good bye....much love to you :(
 
^^ You can grind it very finely and pack it into large gel caps. Takes a LOT of gel caps, but it makes it tasteless and easy to take slowly.
 
what do you combine with mescaline?

Just curious? I'm a big mescaline fan and while i'm never going to get bored of it on its own, i'm always on the lookout for good combos. I've tried speed, which was cool but kind of took away from the trip. I was thinking opiates to enhance the *ridiculous* body buzz but i worry about the nausea. Which opiate would be the best in you guys opinions?? Which stimulant??

Anyone share experiences?
 
For me opiates more or less block emotional confrontations.
Less with "lighter" (like codeine), more so with heavier (like heroin).
I believe that's the reason why heroin is so popular with emotionally traumatised people.
For me personally "heavy" opiates totally *destroy* what I value in life, and the same thing happens to my trip when I add an opiate.
(Hermes Trismegistos gets the last word, as usual...;) )

I suppose a 1.5 year relationship with a heroin addict may skew my views a bit so plz bear with me.
 
btw (just curious and plz remember the rule about the mentioning of sources) does this mean mescaline has somehow become a commercially available drug or were you referring to small-scale availability or plant material/extraction?
 
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