The Big and Dandy Basic Mescaline/Cactus Questions Thread (Archive 3-19-07 - 4-12-08)

[swilow]

^Nah, I like balls. Simple

 

[Black]

what extraction method gives white mescaline powder? i have read (and seen accompaning footage) of a mescaline extraction giving obviously impure black powder. do you have any details to how to get white powder out of cactus?

 

[thoughtsUnThought]

an a/b extraction using hyrochloric acid that is washed with acetone should be pretty white in the end

 

[flipthecandy]

what is the easiest way of extracting mescaline (with a purity like 50% and up) from san pedro? I have like 2 kilos of it if i want...

 

[Immortal Teknique]

May need to sign up, but its a very easy and effective tek.....

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4751368#4751368

 

[Ptah]

Why not just post it here? Copy/paste is easy once you've learned the basics.
It's not like you'll get sued over copyright issues.
I don't want to sign up for the shroomery.

 

[Red Earth]

Mescaline is my favorite substance of all... Maybe because it was my first, other than cannabis, and it made a profound imprint in my life. I can't realy say how many times I have eaten it since, but it's bound to be over 50.

I find, that to get a proper mescaline experience.. and I mean, proper, not just a mild gentle high, but a totaly profound life changing experience, equivalent in intensity to around 600 - 800 mcg of LSD, I need to ingest around 3 Ft of San Pedro, or 2 Ft of Brigessii or Peruvianus. This will provide for an experience that could last anywhere between 12 - 16 hours.

I find freezing the cactus, twice, after it has been chopped up, and white flesh removed, is the best way to go. I find that's the best way to get the maximum amount of alkaloids out of the plant, unless you're doing a chemical extraction ofcourse. I then boil it for anywhere between 7 - 12 hours, adding either lemon juice or citric acid. After that I wrap the plant matter in a tea towel, handful by handful, and squeeze it, applying a lot of strength, again, to make sure I get the maximum amount of alkaloids out. Sometimes I will boil the squeezed plant matter for further 3 - 5 hours, If I want to be realy pedantic about it . After that I combine all the liquid, and boil it down, usually so that I have to drink around a shot's equivalent of rather thick, very bitter liquid. I find that a couple of starburst fruit chews put a nice coating in your mouth after drinking the liquid.

I've tried the balls, and it works well If I am only eating a low dose, but with higher doses, I tend to throw them back up. Mainly because it feel so unnatural to swallow heaps of solid matter without chewing through it.

I've also tried drying the reduced liquid in the sun for a few weeks and putting it into caps. That works, however, i find that drinking it in liquid form to be the best, and the most gentle on the stomach.

I have a couple of questions for anyone who has eaten Brigessii "monstrose", otherwise known as the "Penis Plant". How many segments, and of what size, is equivalent to a threshold dose? And how does the experience compare to that of eating the columnar type cacti? Any info would be much appreciated!

Love & Light

 

[Red Earth]

I'd also like add, that eating pure mescaline, such as sulphate, doesn't even touch the sides compared to a water based extraction. Probably because through water based extraction, you end up with not just mescaline, but many other alkaloids which work harmoniously with the mescaline. That provides for a very full bodied experience.

Peace!

 

[Ismene]

There's many other alkaloids in peyote - about 50+ but there's only about half a dozen other alkaloids in san pedro.

 

[Red Earth]

There's many other alkaloids in peyote - about 50+ but there's only about half a dozen other alkaloids in san pedro.

Defiantly. I have never eaten peyote, but from experience with trichocereous species I found that those 12 alkaloids really make a difference.

 

[Pothedd]

are there still active levels of mescaline?

so a long time ago i acquired a large chunk of san pedro cactus, skinned it, and chopped all the green goodness into pill sized pieces.
after freezing it, thawing, refreezing, and rethawing i was planning on swallowing the pieces one mouthful at a time since i am so adept at swallowing handfuls of pills.
but alas, it was too much, after swallowing a lot i'd barely put a dent in the large bowl of chopped cactus in front of me and gave up.
i still have a bigass bowl of cacti in my room, it's all dried up now of course. could the dried pieces be crushed/ground and made into tea still or do i have to go through the long and arduous process of skinning fresh cactus again?

 

[hfrs]

I'm moving this over to PD- more knowledgeable people on this topic will see it there....

 

[Xorkoth]

Merged in a question about mescaline cactus. Yes, the mescaline should remain intact. It's pretty stable, really.

 

[thirty-three]

with whole cacti...one POWERFUL TIP that i've learned is this.....

take a knife and nick the cactus in a few different spots (on an 18" probably a good 10 nicks), jut poke the tip of the knife through a little bit. then leave the cactus in the dark for a week or two (check it for mold, but leave it in the dark.) after a week or two (i think i did 1 1/2 wk) take the cactus, cut it horizontally into stars about 1/2 in. thick. leave these stars to dry in the sun, or in an oven (but i don't know what temp, you'd have to look it up).

this process will 2x-3x increase potency. since the cactus produces mescaline as a bug repellant, the poking and the leaving in the dark (since in time it will soften in dark, increasing bug risk) will signal the cactus to increase the mescaline content.

when i did this technique with 2- 6" peruvian torch cactus, the result was about20 cactus stars, and 2 of these was an intensely visual experience. i just made a tea of rosebuds (more vit. c than oranges) and cactus stars to rehydrate the cactus, then i chewed down the gummy stars (like candy...). and of course drink the tea as well.

wow, only 2 'stars'...you sure about that?
that would mean approximately 1.2" of cactus was an effective dose then.
unless those were some extremely potent specimen
that's way more than a 2-3x increase in potency
no offense, but that's pretty hard to believe.
interesting method anyhow
out of curiosity, how many times have you tried it?

 

[thoughtsUnThought]

i'm not asking you to believe me, i'm just stating my experience.

thought this potency was definitely noted by the few other friends who partook.

these cacti were grown in peru (andes), so they were likely very potent before my adjustment. and i've never tried the whole prepared cacti from this source any other time.

i will note that the few people who ate these are all sensitive to the effects of psychedelics.

the first time i ate these, i figured it would take the whole bag of stars to get me heightened accordingly....i put the whole bag of stars with rosehips and petals into a tea, and let it steep for about 20 min.
i drank down half of the resulting tea, and after eating 1 1/2 of the stars (approx. 1 hr from first drink) it looked like there was fog everywhere. Werid, mescaline fog.....it was as if the light was opaque, though this opaqueness didn't hinder my vision at all. at this point i knew i had taken enough, lol.

i went outside ~2 hrs in and when i looked up at the sky through the trees the negative space looked like stained glass window (sporting biblical images). and this was VIVID, one of the most vividly colored mescaling visuals i've had. later my room looked all tilted, like it was in different layers (almost salvia-esque).

 

[thoughtsUnThought]

i've only done the knife knicking thing once though.

the other 40 or so times i've partken have been dried skin

 

[Epicurus]

Peyote Buttons

A friend of mine recently acquired about 6 and a half dried peyote buttons. He is oing to give them to me, but I am wondering how to prepare them. Part of me wants to just extract them like everyone does with san pedro and torch, but I also am interested in eatting them in a more traditional way. I know this causes nausea, but I don't mind it- rather I think it is a part of the experience. Sometimes this happens to me with mushrooms if I eat more than 5 or so grams, and always with ayahuasca. I find vomiting to feel purifying and invigorating.

I also met a sixty year old ex-hippie who told me she had once gotten an 8 pound bag of peyote and had figured out that the trick was to cut out the stem and eat the rest of the button, but I don't remember exactly how she described it. So what do you think I should do, eat the whole thing, make a tea, extract, or cut out part of it and eat the rest?

Also, how do dried buttons hold their potency? These are mature but they hae been dry for several years. What kind of effects can I expect from a small number of buttons like this?

 

[swilow]

^Mildish effect I would say, barely threshold. I don't believe this is a standard, but I have read of peyote buttons each containing <>20mg mescaline. So you'll consume roughly (pure estimate) 130 mg- not a large dose of mescaline at all. Probably enough cactii material to have a nice mescalinergic vomit.

 

[recidivism]

If 300 mg of mescaline were available in two capsules of 150 each, would you share with a friend? Or drop both yourself?

mescaline isnt sold in capsules bro

 

[specialrelativity]

^It has been.