The Big and Dandy Basic Mescaline/Cactus Questions Thread (Archive 3-19-07 - 4-12-08)

[Red Earth]

Xorkoth & thoughtsunthought -- enjoyed reading your experiences with mescaline over time here.

I've had 14 experiences so far, plan to take 250mg this week from my latest extraction technique, very clean looking off-white/extremely light tan product:

http://forums.mycotopia.net/botanic...428-crystal-clear-mescaline-hcl-easy-pie.html

I've managed to isolate the alkaloids other than mescaline from T. macrogonus by accident and found them to be hypnotic/sedating...

Ah awesome man! Can you please expand on that? I think this is very critical information for this forum.

 

[Red Earth]

I have to bump this question...

Has anyone ever sampled the Trichocereus Brigessii "Monstrose", also known as the "Penis Plant"?

It looks like this:

http://www.collectorscorner.com.au/Cacti/Landscaping Pictures/JCPFS45.JPG

http://zariat.com/fotos/sacred_plants/cactii/T bridgesii v monstrose 03.jpg

It grows in little segments, rather than columns. Each segment can get as thick as a medium size potato, and sometimes as long as 6", maybe even longer.

If you've tried it, how many segments, and of what size, did you have to consume? And how does the experience compare to the one produced by the columnar type cacti?

Any info would be greatly appreciated!

Peace!

 

[Pothedd]

hey guys
i got a bunch of dried peruvian torch pieces, and i mean a bunch
like, i had about 2 feet of cactus and i'd planned to share it with someone
but i'd swallowed some of it, not much
i'm thinking of just grinding it up and preparing it all for myself.
that'd be crazy wouldn't it?
enough mescaline for 1.5 people?

 

[thoughtsUnThought]

next time i eat whole cactus i am going to eat enough to throw up i think. i've never had an actual forced purge on mescaline, and from what i read that's one of the main medicinal qualities the natives revered it for.

in peru i believe when they eat san pedro they they drink tobacco juice afterwards to make themselve throw up. i read that the cactus (and mescaline i believe) go primarily to your liver, so it seems plausible to be detoxified after a good cactus purge.

i've eaten cactus a good number of times and don't really ever get sick on it, i've had stomach discomfort, but not intensely.

i could see it being rewarding to drink or eat as much as i can until i truly feel physically full. of course i would ask the cactus how far i should go, but until it cuts me off i wouldn't mind pursuing absolute physical saturation (not necissarily neurotransmitting saturation) after i eat a good amount like 40 g. dried skin (which of my batch is ridiciulously intense) i'm definitely full for a bit, but if i chill for an hour or two i know i could consume more.

is there anyone else who doesn't get sick from cactus who has actively pursued a maximum intake?

 

[FrostyMcFailure]

was it really necessary to munch raw cacti? I dont feel this is ever the best option, but how long did everyones trips generally last? Im reading up on it and finding some Disinfo i think.

 

[thoughtsUnThought]

the duration is weird.... in a sense it doesn't really come down, it just fades into reality. the peak definitely subsides, and this can happen anywhere from the 8th to 12th hour depending on dosage, and it can fade out at different speeds depending on dosage and destiny(lol).

the things you learn from eating the cactus are not other-wordly....if you eat it to learn, the lessons and understandings do not leave you for they are applicable in our sober world. the vividness of the colors trance state fade out of view from your progressive ego, but the moments and lessons will be with you forever.

a truly thurough cactus experience should not ever come down if maneuvered properly....for if you've prepared yourself to recieve understanding THAN the sacredness which you realize was always there, will continue to always be there (except now you realize it! tah dah, mescaline magic).

 

[Red Earth]

hey guys
i got a bunch of dried peruvian torch pieces, and i mean a bunch
like, i had about 2 feet of cactus and i'd planned to share it with someone
but i'd swallowed some of it, not much
i'm thinking of just grinding it up and preparing it all for myself.
that'd be crazy wouldn't it?
enough mescaline for 1.5 people?

That's perfect man. I sometimes eat anywhere up to 2, 2.5 feet of brigessii or peruvianus.

 

[Red Earth]

the duration is weird.... in a sense it doesn't really come down, it just fades into reality. the peak definitely subsides, and this can happen anywhere from the 8th to 12th hour depending on dosage, and it can fade out at different speeds depending on dosage and destiny(lol).

the things you learn from eating the cactus are not other-wordly....if you eat it to learn, the lessons and understandings do not leave you for they are applicable in our sober world. the vividness of the colors trance state fade out of view from your progressive ego, but the moments and lessons will be with you forever.

a truly thurough cactus experience should not ever come down if maneuvered properly....for if you've prepared yourself to recieve understanding THAN the sacredness which you realize was always there, will continue to always be there (except now you realize it! tah dah, mescaline magic).

^^^ Word. My first ever experience with anything other than cannabis, was cactus. The first thought when I peaked was: "This is the reality I have always known to exist, especialy as a kid. Thank you for helping me to lift the veil, and remember Who I am".

 

[dankstersauce]

Two easy san pedro questions

First off what effect would taking 5-htp have on a san pedro/mescaline experience?
I've been taking 5-htp to help recover from some acid and mdma trips. It's been a few weeks since I've done either acid or mdma btw.

I recently brewed up some san pedro tea. Using the fairly common method: cut it up, peel it the best i could, throw it in the blender and then let it gently simmer for a few hours. I should mention that I got lazy and only removed about 1/4 (at best) of the skin and spines.

I then reduced 36 ounces of tea into roughly 16 ounces, after it cooled I notice something I never noticed before with san pedro. There is about 1/2 inch of green gunk that separated from the tea and is sitting on the bottom of the bottle.
(I'll upload a picture tomorrow)

So to get to my second question: Would it be best to shake it up and drink the green gunk that collected on the bottom? Or should I just decant the brownish tea and avoid the green gunk all together?

I know these are two simple questions and I did search erowid and google....I don't know anyone with some experience in this area have any insights?

edit: mods, feel free to throw this in the big and dandy cacti thread....I'd just like to get some responses before it gets pushed to the bottom on the page

 

[Pothedd]

sweet, that's what i figured
i love drugs, and mass amounts of them
i'm damn sure it won't be too much for me, but it'll surely be a trip
but i'm still trying to figure out the best way to consume it. i'd tried to swallow it one handful at a time like pills but it was way too much.
so i'm thinking tea? or grinding it into powder and eating or drinking it?? i really have no idea but i gotta get it down somehow (it's in a like foot long bowl filled like 3 inches high so yea)

 

[Xorkoth]

First off what effect would taking 5-htp have on a san pedro/mescaline experience?
I've been taking 5-htp to help recover from some acid and mdma trips. It's been a few weeks since I've done either acid or mdma btw.

I recently brewed up some san pedro tea. Using the fairly common method: cut it up, peel it the best i could, throw it in the blender and then let it gently simmer for a few hours. I should mention that I got lazy and only removed about 1/4 (at best) of the skin and spines.

I then reduced 36 ounces of tea into roughly 16 ounces, after it cooled I notice something I never noticed before with san pedro. There is about 1/2 inch of green gunk that separated from the tea and is sitting on the bottom of the bottle.
(I'll upload a picture tomorrow)

So to get to my second question: Would it be best to shake it up and drink the green gunk that collected on the bottom? Or should I just decant the brownish tea and avoid the green gunk all together?

I know these are two simple questions and I did search erowid and google....I don't know anyone with some experience in this area have any insights?

edit: mods, feel free to throw this in the big and dandy cacti thread....I'd just like to get some responses before it gets pushed to the bottom on the page

5-HTP might have some effect on it, but I doubt it would be significant. Still, I would refrain from taking it the day of your trip.

Hmm, I've not had much experience with cactus tea. I'd say swirl it up and drink it all, just to be sure. Someone else might have better advice though.

 

[Red Earth]

sweet, that's what i figured
i love drugs, and mass amounts of them
i'm damn sure it won't be too much for me, but it'll surely be a trip
but i'm still trying to figure out the best way to consume it. i'd tried to swallow it one handful at a time like pills but it was way too much.
so i'm thinking tea? or grinding it into powder and eating or drinking it?? i really have no idea but i gotta get it down somehow (it's in a like foot long bowl filled like 3 inches high so yea)

Yeah I'd say making a tea is the best go. If you don't want to waste any of the product I'd give it a good half a day of boiling with some lemon or citric acid, a realy good squeeze through a tea towel, and if you want to be realy pedantic about it, boil the squeezed plant matter for a further few hours. Combine all the liquids, and reduce to your liking. I sometimes reduce it to as little as a shot glass worth of rather thick goo, so that i can gulp it in two mouthfulls. But if you're gonna do that make sure you watch it constantly towards the end cos it's easy to burn.

That's just one method, but seems to work for me 100% every time. However, i do freeze the cut up cactus, twice, before I boil it, to break the cell walls.

Peace!

 

[tregar]

Hi red earth, I've enjoyed your reports too.

You were asking earlier about the "other alkaloids" (.85 grams) in cactus that swept through the 2.5 micron filter, while the mescaline (5 grams) collected on top during my latest extraction process:

Here is a paper (one of the best on the web) that describes the effects of some of those alkaloids when they were isolated and taken by Dr. Heffter (from peyote). Towards the end of the paper, Dr. Heffter describes several of his trips taking 150mg of pure mescaline (the closed eye visuals), extracts of peyote; He does comparisons, etc.

http://www.heffter.org/review/Review2/chap2.pdf

 

[Newmoonrecord]

Just want to post a warning in here about using zofran with mescaline (which i have previously advocated without reservation). I took what was intending to be a breakthrough dose of mesc yesterday and a bunch of zofran, and what happened was the intensity of the dose and experience was nearly doubled. You can read about it in the trip report section. My opinion is that since all the nausea receptors (5ht3) were blocked, there was a higher concentration of mescaline available to exert effect on the psychedelic portions. Definitely at least as powerful as far as ego loss and experiencing infinity as my hardest shroom or dmt trips.

Be careful and have fun! I will still say zofran is the most ridiculously useful compound for trippers since hallucinogens were discovered.

 

[supercoolmancool]

San Pedro and fasting

I know that the Native Americans use to fast before taking San Pedro, but I wonder if that is necessary. Does it reduce nausea or enhance the trip significantly?

 

[Omacatl]

Mescaline Cacti alcohol Extraction Tek (super easy)

first of all id like to say that the cactus experience is by far my favorite psychedelic, and for several reasons. the long duration makes for an epic experience, much in the manner that LSD plays out over the hours. it is very gentle at lower doses and almost always lends to a euphoric, warm, empathetic trip. at higher doses it can be mindblowing, the visuals at times overwhelming, and the auditory hallucinations are unlike that of any other substance i have experienced. but the best thing, is the ease with which San Pedro, Peruvian Torch, and other legal trichocerus can be acquired. just shipped right to my door(and cheap too).through trial and error i have concluded that an alcohol extract is the best way to go. no tea or snot to drink(puke), less material to consume thus making higher doses easier on the stomach, very little to no nausea, and it's not as complex as an a/b extraction. i hope you will enjoy this tek, and remember mescaline is the only way to fly.





Rediculously easy extraction tek, which aFOAF has found great sucess with.
the end result produces not only mescaline but other goodies and alkaloids are also extracted so its not
like you are wasting anything in the process and the spirit of the plant is preserved.a dose of about 50 grams peruvians is a good way to test for potency and still not be dissapointed in fact some have compared it to an all day "psychedelic lolipop." most Peruvian Torch skin from online vendors is like .8% to 1.2% mescaline. if intensity is your desire simply increase the dosage after you have tested the waters. the advantage to this method is that there is no slimy cactus tea or snot to drink, and no large amount of powder capsules bloating your stomach reducing nausea considerably and allowing for the possibility higher doses with less discomfort.

method 1. (7-9 days total) The Sit and Soak.

Materials: (for one dose)
50grams dried peruvian torch flesh powder
Everclear or 99% Isopropyl rubbing alcohol (you can use 93% or 91% just make sure there is only ALCOHOL and WATER. when using isopropyl evaporation is important.)
1 glass jar big enough to hold the powder.
Another Glass jar to hold the extract liquid.
1 large glass pyrex pie plate or baking dish (must use GLASS ONLY!! important!!!)
Coffee filters, or a muslin, or a cheesecloth.

Procedure:
First put the torch powder in the glass jar, and pour your alcohol in covering the powder 2 inches or enough to double the contents of the jar.shake the jar vigorously then leave it to sit for 3 days shaking it from time to time. when your alcohol turns a greenish black it has absorbed enough alkaloids after three days then you carefully pour off the liquid into a seperate jar and filter it using the Coffee filters saving the powder. a tee shirt or a cheese cloth works well too. after straining off the greenish colored alcohol put the powder back in the original jar and add fresh alcohol. repeat three times. after you have let the powder soak for three pulls over 9 days the alcohol should stop turning a dark green and should be a light see-through green. this is how you know your powder got most of the goodies extracted. if you want you can pull until it's clear. Finally collect all the alcohol then put it in the big glass pyrex dish for evaporation.
to evaporate: a fan blowing on the pyrex dish will dry in a few hours. drying can be sped up by letting the glass baking dish sit on a pot of boiling water, but make sure you use an ELECTRIC STOVE because a gas stove may ignite alcohol fumes. if you are in your kitchen make sure the fan is on and a door is open for adequate ventilation. the alcohol should evaporate quickly leaving a gooey black residue which can be scraped up, rolled into balls and frozen for storage.just make sure ALL THE ALCOHOL IS EVAPORATED., and this can be done by smelling the extraction, it shouldnt smell at all like alcohol. this gooey residue is mescaline freebase oil, chlorophyl, waxes, plant fat, and other alkalouds. if you used 99% isopropyl the goo will be more of a dry flaky crud called mescaline carbonate which can be scraped up and powdered. the mescaline carbonate is formed when the solvent has been disolved and the mescaline reacts with CO2 in the air to form a crystalized salt.

 

[Omacatl]

i fast before any psychedelic. it helps with the digestion and absorption of the alkaloids, and makes for less nausea. especially with cacti this is true. as sometimes it can cause nausea on a full stomach.

 

[egor]

I think I saw the same tek on entheogen.com

 

[swilow]

Merged in alchohol Tek. Cheers for that....

 

[supercoolmancool]

Is zofran an over the counter drug?