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The Big and Dandy Basic Mescaline/Cactus Questions Thread (Archive 3-19-07 - 4-12-08)

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recidivism said:
mescaline isnt sold in capsules bro
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It could be, if someone extracted it and capped it up. However, if you ever see a capsule containing a very small amount of powder, it's not mescaline... it's probably a 2C-X or something. Very few people will bother extracting and selling mescaline, as the dose is large compared to other things, and most people frankly don't know enough to know any better.
 
thoughtsUnThought said:
the potency varies greatly from cacti to cacti....natives say a length of san pedro the same size as your forearm is a good dose.

and about smoking....i've only ever smoked powdered green flesh (mescal containing portion), to great effect. it doesn't take much of a psychoactive chemical to reach effect when smoking if the chemial can survive the heat from smoking (which mescaline can).

with whole cacti...one POWERFUL TIP that i've learned is this.....

take a knife and nick the cactus in a few different spots (on an 18" probably a good 10 nicks), jut poke the tip of the knife through a little bit. then leave the cactus in the dark for a week or two (check it for mold, but leave it in the dark.) after a week or two (i think i did 1 1/2 wk) take the cactus, cut it horizontally into stars about 1/2 in. thick. leave these stars to dry in the sun, or in an oven (but i don't know what temp, you'd have to look it up).

this process will 2x-3x increase potency. since the cactus produces mescaline as a bug repellant, the poking and the leaving in the dark (since in time it will soften in dark, increasing bug risk) will signal the cactus to increase the mescaline content.

when i did this technique with 2- 6" peruvian torch cactus, the result was about20 cactus stars, and 2 of these was an intensely visual experience. i just made a tea of rosebuds (more vit. c than oranges) and cactus stars to rehydrate the cactus, then i chewed down the gummy stars (like candy...). and of course drink the tea as well.
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I know that you can simulate a predator assault on the plant by poking it while the plant is still growing in the ground. This will make it produce more alkaloids to heal itself, but I don't think the plant is going to produce more mescaline after it has been harvested.

However I have had cuttings grow several inches while sitting in my room. Teehee. So who knows.

My speculation is, that the plant you were getting is very potent. I have heard of brigessii varieties which can produce a high from ingesting 6".
 
I know that you can simulate a predator assault on the plant by poking it while the plant is still growing in the ground. This will make it produce more alkaloids to heal itself, but I don't think the plant is going to produce more mescaline after it has been harvested.
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That is just a theory, but if you do, make sure your knife/razor blade is STERILE! Cactii don't die when pulled from the ground; they are indeed weird things. I really don't know how to tell if a catcuss is dead or alive; they look the same either way, but if they are still growing, genrwally you can assume it is also still living ;)
 
recidivism said:
mescaline isnt sold in capsules bro
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I have seen mescaline sold in caps a couple of years back. However it was costly. The person started selling it at $40AUD per 350mg cap, and later it went up as high as $80AUD per cap. That was mescaline sulphate. However, I feel that drinking mescaline brew provides for a more wholesome experience. Maybe it's because of those dozen or so extra alkaloids, or maybe it's just because of me, since I like the idea of developing a relationship with the plant by growing and brewing it, instead of simply purchasing a capsule.

Love & Light.
 
willow11 said:
That is just a theory, but if you do, make sure your knife/razor blade is STERILE! Cactii don't die when pulled from the ground; they are indeed weird things. I really don't know how to tell if a catcuss is dead or alive; they look the same either way, but if they are still growing, genrwally you can assume it is also still living ;)
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Hehe, they are weird things indeed. And they deffinetly don't die when pulled from the ground. I've even had mid sections, with no tips, or roots, sit in my room for 12 months, which I'd later plant, and they'd root and throw new pups within 3 weeks!

Teehee! I love them so much!=D
 
I wonder if mescalin can be extracted with a method like the DMT for the masses technique as described on Erowid 9and earlier in the Entheogen Review. Im mean without lemon juice or defatting but straight from cactus pulp into NaOH water and a nonpolar solvent.

Of course mescaline need to be harvested as the salt, not a the freebase, so the method can not be completely the same as the DMT for the masses technique. But omitting the lemon juice extraction and the defatting phase makes the technique a whole lot easier & faster to perform.

I am thinking of combining a nonpolar solvent which is heavier than water (trichloromethane or -ethane) with an icecold solution of very dilute sulphuric acid in water. Since mescaline sulphate is nearly insoluble in both my hope is that mescaline sulphate crystals will precipitate when a jar of tri + dilute sulphuric acid is left to stand in the fridge for awhile.

Unfortunately i do not have plenty of cacti to experiment with.
 
Hum, Ihave never heard of skinning peyote.....like is done with San pedro....

Wonder if the trip is beter w/o peyote skin?
 
never tried mescaline but thinking of getting a pedro and brewing it up into a syrup =D

Is it at all like aMT? i have heard it can be similar. Obviously i hear aMT has more of a physical component but are they similar in anyway?
 
Actually, it is similar to AMT. A bit less recreational, more serious. But a similar glowing warmth and color/beauty enhancement. I like mescaline more as a psychedelic. It also feels much healthier.

Mescaline is great stuff. For some reason it had a reputation around where I came from of being "like taking 10 hits of acid and an eighth of mushrooms at the same time". I think this came from a guy who was the local "expert" on psychedelics having taken a very large dose of cactus his first and only time and being totally overwhelmed and blasted out into space.

But yeah, make sure you take it outdoors, preferrably while on an adventure of some sort. Like in my latest trip with it: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=345255
 
damn I need to take a larger amount of AMT to compare, I've still not gone over 18mg, but it didn't feel like san pedro. San pedro is very relaxing and gives off the best closed eyes visuals i have ever encountered, so precise and you can zoom in and out of everything. AMT is a little more rushy/amphetamine like(man that sounds strange?), and the cev are miles away.... my comments are maybe dose related...
Anyway I love both of them, so enjoy :)
 
^^ Well, AMT is definitely more stimulating. I just find the inner warmth to be really similar and the overall mindstate and visual "softening/beautifying" effect. And yeah, AMT gets much better at 30mg and above. My favorite dose is 50mg without having done it for a while. Also rectal dosing with AMT makes it MUCH smoother.
 
If mescaline is not sold on the black market, how do people get it? Dont get me wrong, im not asking for sources, but do people just go out there and get some cactus and do an extraction? lol
 
People extract it from cactus tissue, yes. Or they eat the cactus. And then possibly distribute it to friends. I've never heard of a "mescaline dealer" unless he was selling a 2C-X or DOX chemical and calling it mescaline. Mescaline is more expensive than practically any psychedelic I can think of because cacti and generally not cheap and the dose is high (200-500mg), so it just doesn't make sense to sell it for a profit as most anything else would make a higher profit.

However, I've enountered lots of people selling "research chemicals" (2C-Xs and DOXs) as "mescaline", sometimes even believing it themselves.
 
^^the thing is I always took AMT in "party" settings, and I don't really like to be tripping on these occasion that's why i stayed low ;o)
I took the san pedro in a mountain and it was quite freezing even with the fire (ok it was small), there were cows with bells making noise the whole night, and a shaman even came at 4am to collect some cows(?!?) it was great,
at 4am it was the darkest outside(the moon went away) and the most intense moment of the experience and the Cow Shaman was there for us!

^mescaline comes from cactus and that's how it has been consumed for thousands of years, so yes buy a cactus and eat it, just search around for preparation..
 
so u guys just....go to a store and buy a cactus?? or wonder around the desert? then u have all the material at ur house to do an extraction? hahahaha...sorry, it just sounds pretty...hmm, strange :-)
 
^^ Only because most people don't bother with things like that because they're too lazy to produce their own drugs or learn anything about them other than what their friends told them. Yeah, you can buy a san pedro or peruvian torch cactus at a store... they're beautiful cacti. Also, the Internet is your friend.

Sounds more strange to me to trust some random drug dealer to sell you mescaline, when the chances of it being so are virtually nil, and to give up on the possibility of trying a really beautiful substance because of it. ;)

Home extractions are pretty easy. I mean, you have to get the supplies, but it's not like you need a lab or something.
 
Buying mescaline off a random person is an almost certain way to not get mescaline.Extracting it yourself or getting it from a friend who does is a way to ensure quality and know for sure you have what your looking for.
 
what do you guys feel about the difference between a cactus experience and a mescaline experience.

for myself the two are qualitatively different.

pure mescaline reminds me of acid almost, strictly in the sense of the distance of the experience. pure mescal feels like the experience is in front of you, sort of like acid.

whereas cactus, (primarily san pedro, though torch is comparitive) feels more like mushrooms in the sense that the experience feels very internal while also being infront of you. it also seems much dreamier eating the whole cactus.

this is why i feel that the cactus is my ally,
and mescaline is just a powerful chemical.
 
Xorkoth & thoughtsunthought -- enjoyed reading your experiences with mescaline over time here.

I've had 14 experiences so far, plan to take 250mg this week from my latest extraction technique, very clean looking off-white/extremely light tan product:

http://forums.mycotopia.net/botanic...428-crystal-clear-mescaline-hcl-easy-pie.html

I've managed to isolate the alkaloids other than mescaline from T. macrogonus by accident and found them to be hypnotic/sedating...

It's like the yen and yang, mother nature puts in some amount of sedating alkaloids to counteract the stimulating effects to some extent, same can be said for the opium poppy (has sedating and stimulating alkaloids together) or with kratom, my other favorite next to mescaline.

And yes, cactus is so expensive that it is extremely rare to ever see it around, you'd have to extract it yourself.

My favorite thing to do is listen to music on mescaline...especially house music. I've taken over 200 doses of LSD in the distant past (over 10 years ago) and I find listening to music on mescaline to be quite profound, very similar to listening to music on LSD. Mescaline not only heightens and clarifies the sense of hearing but can also cause sounds to sound quite different than normal.
 
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thoughtsUnThought said:
what do you guys feel about the difference between a cactus experience and a mescaline experience.

for myself the two are qualitatively different.

pure mescaline reminds me of acid almost, strictly in the sense of the distance of the experience. pure mescal feels like the experience is in front of you, sort of like acid.

whereas cactus, (primarily san pedro, though torch is comparitive) feels more like mushrooms in the sense that the experience feels very internal while also being infront of you. it also seems much dreamier eating the whole cactus.

this is why i feel that the cactus is my ally,
and mescaline is just a powerful chemical.
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I feel the pure mescaline experience is more etheric, sort of like acid as you say. Very Light.

Where's the whole plant, feels like it involves your physical body more. It's earthy as well as cosmic.
 
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