The Big and Dandy AMT Thread - 2nd incarnation
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Cool! Thank you very much. That is what I shall be doing then. I found piracetam before MDMA didn't so much increase the euphoria as level it if that makes any sense. It just made the whole experience smoother. I hope it has the same effect with AMT.
With AMT I am at times struck with that MDMA-esque, breathless euphoria but it is very brief and seems to come on randomly. I am hoping the piracetam will level things out.
I will post my thoughts on it after I try it. By next Wednesday probably.
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When the unopened 3 year old AMT starts turning cream/yellow its time to do something about it. Having no experience with AMT, I'm seeking the opinions of others about how wise it is to take 40mg rectal w/out a benzo for the end. If one can take acid w/out a benzo at the end I'm sure one could handle AMT, right?
Would this work for a pregabalin & amt combo?
On the topic of other drugs plus AMT, I have to say AMT and cannabis is absolutely great. I normally don't enjoy smoking weed at all but under the influence of AMT it feels great. I don't really get high, but it changes my perception enough for me to find it interesting but not enough for me to find it too strange.
I guess I could compare it to smoking pot on amphetamine or another stimulant. It doesn't add much to the trip, but feels great! I recommend a spliff!
I guess I could compare it to smoking pot on amphetamine or another stimulant. It doesn't add much to the trip, but feels great! I recommend a spliff!
Dont know bout acid, but I found it tough to sleep after 9 hours on a smaller dose. Assuming we are talking about sleep that is.
Popped me a xanax, yay. God I love OTC Peru...
Its definitely got that stimulating buzz that just kinda lingers for a while. Even when you feel sleepy, you really cant. Although you can sit still, you are just alert. Unlike 2C-E where you can be tired as hell, but writhe around in bed cause you cant sit still.
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Yes. I'm guessing that the problems are similar to MDMA, in that many of the metabolites of monoamines under high temperature conditions and with high levels of oxidants do to the breakdown of monoamines are going to be excessively toxic. Just because the comedown is mellower doesn't really mean that it isn't doing any harm, as the comedown for meth for me actually always felt pretty great, but it was the weeks after that that were pretty weird and anhedonic. In fact even AET is associated with some serotonergic neurotoxicity so I'd be really surprised if AMT wasn't.
What about IM dosage peoples? My new order is almost here and i'm looking to try a slightly more efficient dosage.
IIRC somebody said like 10mg blew their socks off. But I cant find that again. Searched the thread too but IM is everywhere in a search lol.
Also that would likely help nausea no?
IIRC somebody said like 10mg blew their socks off. But I cant find that again. Searched the thread too but IM is everywhere in a search lol.
Also that would likely help nausea no?
Yeah poopy smell.. Taste isnt bad but its the smell as you down it. If you down it that is.
Hence why I am investigating the IM.
Again I asked before but nobody said anything. I've read the trip from Vaporization is different, less visual somehow. I wanna know if thats true. I'm quite good with smoking the Tryp's and I could handle it, but I just wanna know if its worth it.
Hence why I am investigating the IM.
Again I asked before but nobody said anything. I've read the trip from Vaporization is different, less visual somehow. I wanna know if thats true. I'm quite good with smoking the Tryp's and I could handle it, but I just wanna know if its worth it.
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I'd say vaping it is worth it. But I would cos I like vaping it :D
No idea about IM. Don't recall seing any IM or IV reports but imagine the dose would be a pretty small. Kinda like the idea know you mention it. Not sure I'd want to guess a dose though.
No idea about IM. Don't recall seing any IM or IV reports but imagine the dose would be a pretty small. Kinda like the idea know you mention it. Not sure I'd want to guess a dose though.
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You think IM would be alot smaller than oral or vaped?
im guessing only slightly lower. Maybe 20mg.
Dont take my word for it though, and i wont be the first to try it either.
As for IV, i wouldnt even know where to start.
im guessing only slightly lower. Maybe 20mg.
Dont take my word for it though, and i wont be the first to try it either.
As for IV, i wouldnt even know where to start.
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IM would probably (possibly) be around the same as vaped (and snorted? that's not one I'd want to try either :D) cos it's often around those kinda levels with other stuff, in my guesstimation.
I'd rather see some reports before even thinking about it really. AMT is lush but can be quite full on and lasts a fair ol' while - wouldn't want to go shooting a silly amount of something like that without realising it was a silly amount of something like that.
Suspect it would be mighty fine if the dose was right though :D
I'd rather see some reports before even thinking about it really. AMT is lush but can be quite full on and lasts a fair ol' while - wouldn't want to go shooting a silly amount of something like that without realising it was a silly amount of something like that.
Suspect it would be mighty fine if the dose was right though :D
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I've posted numerous times about IM aMT HCl in this thread and it's "old incarnation." Just search. I prefer it. In short, it's a little less than double the potency of oral, more euphoric and slightly less trippy. I feel it within a few minutes, I'm plateaued within 45 minutes, and the trip of a 12mg dose (mostly a euphoriant at this level) is over in 6-8 hours and sleep becomes possible with diphenhydramine. I use a minimum of 20mg IM for psychedelia. The onset is a little more tense than oral, but less than you'd imagine from the relative decrease in onset time. I've never experienced nausea using the HCl by any ROA, but used to get nausea from the freebase regularly (which may just be due to physiological changes, because a few years separate my last freebase use and my first HCl use).
I've also commented on one 3mg IV experiment in this thread. It was slightly faster in onset than IM, but about as mild as I'd expect 3mg IM to be. I don't think there's any real advantage to IV with aMT.
I've also commented on one 3mg IV experiment in this thread. It was slightly faster in onset than IM, but about as mild as I'd expect 3mg IM to be. I don't think there's any real advantage to IV with aMT.
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Thanks for the info, Psood0nym 
Unfortunately the search engine doesn't do "IV" or "IM" so they're hard to search for but that kinda confirms my suspicions. Interesting...
Have you tried vaped AMT? Cos that's similar in comeup time (slightly longer than your IM figure but not much) and lasts longer, in my experience. Would be interested in a comparison of effects between those two. Almost disappointed IV doesn't produce a significantly faster comeup but probably for the best
I've only used freebase as far as I know. Not much left though and HCl seems to be more "widely" available than freebase now so suspect that may be what I get hold of next. When I track some down.
Unfortunately the search engine doesn't do "IV" or "IM" so they're hard to search for but that kinda confirms my suspicions. Interesting...
Have you tried vaped AMT? Cos that's similar in comeup time (slightly longer than your IM figure but not much) and lasts longer, in my experience. Would be interested in a comparison of effects between those two. Almost disappointed IV doesn't produce a significantly faster comeup but probably for the best
I've only used freebase as far as I know. Not much left though and HCl seems to be more "widely" available than freebase now so suspect that may be what I get hold of next. When I track some down.
psood0nym
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^For anyone whose looking: search for psood0nym (that's psood>zero<nym) in this thread to narrow the result. Most of my posts about experiences have been from using IM.
I have tried vaporized freebase aMT to test it out fairly recently. I only used 4mg, though, so it probably wasn't enough. It was also while using a small dose of Adderall (incredible combo), so it's hard to give my judgment. It mostly just seemed like extra stimulation at that level. I was surprised how much noxious vapor was produced from such a small amount, and so so long as there's no potency increase or a substantial qualitative difference I'll probably just stick to IM.
I tried IV to see if there was a further trend towards increase euphoria relative to psychedelia like there is, in my experience at least, from oral to IM. The shortened duration and qualitative difference is the whole argument for IM. But yeah, aMT is like LSD that way. There's no advantage over IM (though I doubt IM LSD is qualitatively different than oral because it isn't a powerful releaser of dopamine and serotonin the way aMT is--which, BTW, because of its faster onset and presumed resultant greater DA/SERT release, IM aMT may be more neurotoxic than oral aMT (the same might be true for vaporized)). Also, my quoted onset time for IM aMT is probably a little sooner than most because I'm familiar enough with to be really sensitive to first alerts and because my body seems to process it faster than it used to. Dondante has an IM aMT/DPT (one of my favorite combos, just don't use 100mg DPT like him!) report in Trip Reports that might supply another data point on the subject.
Freebase aMT can be easily converted for injection using plain old white vinegar (which is very sterile). I've converted synthed DMT freebase to DMT acetate for injection this way by putting the DMT in a small glass vial then adding 5% vinegar (dripped from a syringe) while heating and sloshing it around on a hot plate (frying pan works fine, too) until it was dissolved (DMT didn't take long). Then I diluted it with some preservative free sterile saline contact lens cleaning solution (sodium bicarbonate should also work to neutralize), ran it through a filter and IMd. It stings a little (goes away quickly), but that's because I just don't bother to neutralize fully.
I have tried vaporized freebase aMT to test it out fairly recently. I only used 4mg, though, so it probably wasn't enough. It was also while using a small dose of Adderall (incredible combo), so it's hard to give my judgment. It mostly just seemed like extra stimulation at that level. I was surprised how much noxious vapor was produced from such a small amount, and so so long as there's no potency increase or a substantial qualitative difference I'll probably just stick to IM.
I tried IV to see if there was a further trend towards increase euphoria relative to psychedelia like there is, in my experience at least, from oral to IM. The shortened duration and qualitative difference is the whole argument for IM. But yeah, aMT is like LSD that way. There's no advantage over IM (though I doubt IM LSD is qualitatively different than oral because it isn't a powerful releaser of dopamine and serotonin the way aMT is--which, BTW, because of its faster onset and presumed resultant greater DA/SERT release, IM aMT may be more neurotoxic than oral aMT (the same might be true for vaporized)). Also, my quoted onset time for IM aMT is probably a little sooner than most because I'm familiar enough with to be really sensitive to first alerts and because my body seems to process it faster than it used to. Dondante has an IM aMT/DPT (one of my favorite combos, just don't use 100mg DPT like him!) report in Trip Reports that might supply another data point on the subject.
Freebase aMT can be easily converted for injection using plain old white vinegar (which is very sterile). I've converted synthed DMT freebase to DMT acetate for injection this way by putting the DMT in a small glass vial then adding 5% vinegar (dripped from a syringe) while heating and sloshing it around on a hot plate (frying pan works fine, too) until it was dissolved (DMT didn't take long). Then I diluted it with some preservative free sterile saline contact lens cleaning solution (sodium bicarbonate should also work to neutralize), ran it through a filter and IMd. It stings a little (goes away quickly), but that's because I just don't bother to neutralize fully.
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Thanks for the IM reports. I personally was thinking about something like 15-20mg. That helps me get a feel for it.
When you say the stimulant effect increases relative to the psychedelic feel, would you say that you get LESS visuals and less mental trip? With a 20mg dose were you still seeing tons of rad visuals and stuff?
I just dont want to change the nature of the trip too much. I really liked my Oral trip. I just would like to trip a little more efficiently if possible.
And for the record, wouldnt really even consider IV'ing this stuff.
When you say the stimulant effect increases relative to the psychedelic feel, would you say that you get LESS visuals and less mental trip? With a 20mg dose were you still seeing tons of rad visuals and stuff?
I just dont want to change the nature of the trip too much. I really liked my Oral trip. I just would like to trip a little more efficiently if possible.
And for the record, wouldnt really even consider IV'ing this stuff.
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