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The Big and Dandy AMT Thread - 2nd incarnation

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How does AMT mix with alcohol? Might be a bit pissed before I take it on Saturday or might start drinking towards the tail end of the trip.

Also, I found about 65mg to be an optimum dose for me and a mate. Good visuals but not at all immersing, were talking for hours and feeling very euphoric. Got quite psychedelic but was fine. Does this indicate that the AMT might have been low quality? I've got it from a different source this time and was just wondering if doing this dose again is likely to produce those sort of effects. Hard to answer I know, but thoughts on likelihood welcome.
 
samadhi_smiles said:
you can read some TRs on erowid about doses that high. That level is much more psychedelic than say 40mg for you? I bet it would get trippy.
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I've only done it 4 times now. The first time I did 30mg and got very much threshold effects, I felt stimulated, chatty, a little bit euphoric but not much. I was getting CEV's, sort of, but they were quite static. Had a very weird K-hole (who'd have guessed it??) with some strange visual distortions.

The other times I did about 55-65 and got fairly similiar effects each time, very chatty and stimulated, lots of very serotogenic feeling head rushes and then after quite a few hours it got a bit more psychedelic and the visuals amped up quite a bit. It wasn't at all immersive though and I was quite capable speaking to people.

Basically, I'm looking for recreational value at a beach party when my mates will be on 2c-b/mdma. I'm just wondering if this could actually be a high dose. I think I'll just do 50-55 to be on the safe side.
 
have you thought about plugging some? I've heard that can make things shorter and more intense (compacting the trip down some more). It would also more evenly match your friend's trips if they dose the 2Cb after the MDMA).
 
Tranced said:
How does AMT mix with alcohol? Might be a bit pissed before I take it on Saturday or might start drinking towards the tail end of the trip.

Also, I found about 65mg to be an optimum dose for me and a mate. Good visuals but not at all immersing, were talking for hours and feeling very euphoric. Got quite psychedelic but was fine. Does this indicate that the AMT might have been low quality? I've got it from a different source this time and was just wondering if doing this dose again is likely to produce those sort of effects. Hard to answer I know, but thoughts on likelihood welcome.
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65mg is my optimal dose too, although it wasn't at first... if I haven't had it for a long time (like now), 50-55mg is better. AMT effects us all differently it seem, just like everything else... I never found AMT to be psychedelic in the same sense as most other tryptamines are even most phenethylamines at any dose (I've taken it up to 110mg - with a lot of tolerance though). Some people report life-changing thoughts and wild visuals with AMT, but I have never had that. For me, AMT produces a state sort of like MDMA except much better (in my opinion). It brightens colors and makes things look "fuzzy", and it sometimes makes shadows and areas of color seem to shimmer and ripple. I have great thoughts... my mind seems better connected and I feel like a genius, like my mind is working incredibly quickly and efficiently. I feel an absolutely fantastic body high and I feel extremely empathic, in a similar way to MDMA... AMT is my favorite empathogen for sure. It makes me want to talk, talk talk also.

So, your reactions sound very similar to mine. But apparently some people find it more traditionally psychedelic.

Oh, also, rectal dosing reduces the required dose by just a little... it's not particularly noticeable. I never reduced the dose rectally, but the dose I took was better with that method. Rectal dosing definitely dramatically reduces the bodyload... I rarely felt very uncomfortable coming up that way (AMT is always a little uncomfortable to come up on though), and I never once got a headache from it that way (orally I got headaches at some point about 50% of the time). Overall I would choose to take it rectally (or maybe IM which I haven't tried) unless I couldn't for some reason, and then I'd take it orally.
 
Xorkoth said:
65mg is my optimal dose too, although it wasn't at first... if I haven't had it for a long time (like now), 50-55mg is better. AMT effects us all differently it seem, just like everything else... I never found AMT to be psychedelic in the same sense as most other tryptamines are even most phenethylamines at any dose (I've taken it up to 110mg - with a lot of tolerance though). Some people report life-changing thoughts and wild visuals with AMT, but I have never had that. For me, AMT produces a state sort of like MDMA except much better (in my opinion). It brightens colors and makes things look "fuzzy", and it sometimes makes shadows and areas of color seem to shimmer and ripple. I have great thoughts... my mind seems better connected and I feel like a genius, like my mind is working incredibly quickly and efficiently. I feel an absolutely fantastic body high and I feel extremely empathic, in a similar way to MDMA... AMT is my favorite empathogen for sure. It makes me want to talk, talk talk also.

So, your reactions sound very similar to mine. But apparently some people find it more traditionally psychedelic.

Oh, also, rectal dosing reduces the required dose by just a little... it's not particularly noticeable. I never reduced the dose rectally, but the dose I took was better with that method. Rectal dosing definitely dramatically reduces the bodyload... I rarely felt very uncomfortable coming up that way (AMT is always a little uncomfortable to come up on though), and I never once got a headache from it that way (orally I got headaches at some point about 50% of the time). Overall I would choose to take it rectally (or maybe IM which I haven't tried) unless I couldn't for some reason, and then I'd take it orally.
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I always use it rectally, and usually convert to the freebase aswell.

What you described sounds pretty much exactly how it is for me, except for that I do get visuals, although they are definitely not anywhere near as prevalent as a decent dose of acid/mushrooms/2c-b. I agree it's definitely not psychedelic in the traditional sense for me, but after about 4 hours (I think) it definitely seems to have a deeper edge to me than MDMA does. Sort of like (slightly) psychedelic MDMA which is how I've always described it.

What you say about some people finding it seemingly quite different rings true to me as well, it's the reason I had concerns about the dosing and why I wasn't using erowid as a reliable source on this occasion. If you check highandrollings "first time" trip report on page 5, his 50mg experience sounds totally different to my times on AMT.

I think I'll just settle at 55mg and it should be fine.

Is there any way to convert the HCL to freebase before I go out in preperation for plugging it with a capsule? Last time I put vinegar inside the gel cap popped and I can't really take a bottle of vinegar to a beach.

Thanks by the way.
 
Vinegar wouldn't convert it to the freebase anyway, it could convert it to the acetate salt. Anyway, I would want to have something in the salt form and not the freebase were I going to plug it. The only thing the freebase is useful for is smoking; a salt is superior in every other way.
 
I find that AMT HCl tends to be gentler. I usually put the freebase in water (it won't dissolve and pretty much floats on the top). Use like 3mL. Then put 1 drop of relatively dilute hydrochloric acid in (I used hardware store muriatic acid, 30% HCl), and stir it up for a while. It should change to a more clear crystal and slowly dissolve... it also smells quite sharply but in a different way from the freebase AMT smell. You might need another drop of HCl, but go really easy on it or you'll have a wee bit of leftover HCl. When all or very nearly all of the crystals have dissolved, you can then drink it, or plug it, or dry it to form crystals.
 
butane said:
Vinegar wouldn't convert it to the freebase anyway, it could convert it to the acetate salt. Anyway, I would want to have something in the salt form and not the freebase were I going to plug it. The only thing the freebase is useful for is smoking; a salt is superior in every other way.
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I had it the wrong way round. It's the HCL I was after and HCL I've got so I wouldn't have to do anything. If like last time I had the freebase, there is something mentioned earlier in this thread about using vinegar to convert freebase > HCL.
 
^^ Vinegar would convert it into AMT acetate, actually. Hydrochloric acid is the only way to turn it into AMT HCl. But yes, it would turn it into a salt, as vinegar is an acid (acetic acid). Some other common acids are sulphuric (forms sulphate salts), tartaric acid (cream of tartar - forms tartrate salts) and citric acid (forms citrate salts). A bit of trivia: LSD is actually LSD tartrate... I guess because it's the most stable of the salts of LSD.
 
After searching I see you're right, samadhi actually said that a few drops of vinegar would convert to the salt - the acetate as you say. I'm assuming that this is still preferable to freebase though?
 
Xorkoth said:
^^ Vinegar would convert it into AMT acetate, actually. Hydrochloric acid is the only way to turn it into AMT HCl. But yes, it would turn it into a salt, as vinegar is an acid (acetic acid). Some other common acids are sulphuric (forms sulphate salts), tartaric acid (cream of tartar - forms tartrate salts) and citric acid (forms citrate salts). A bit of trivia: LSD is actually LSD tartrate... I guess because it's the most stable of the salts of LSD.
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tartaric acid isnt cream of tartar, i tried turning dmt into dmt tartate with cream of tartar and it didnt work... (was trying to make a smooth snortable version)
 
Tranced said:
After searching I see you're right, samadhi actually said that a few drops of vinegar would convert to the salt - the acetate as you say. I'm assuming that this is still preferable to freebase though?
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I would imagine so... I've only used HCl though.
 
The craziest thing that's ever happened to me was after a very large dose of LSD. I closed my eyes and was sitting at the lunch table with my friends (I was in middle school at the time). Not only did I see my friends, I heard them too. I actually had an entire conversation with them. I talked to them, and they would respond back to what I said. It was so wierd, b/c it wasn't like I knew what they would say...just like real life.

That shit was awesome.
 
Just wanted to add I plugged 18mg of AMT HCL a couple of days ago as a test dose. Very low on the psychedelicness scale, but holy crap did I have clean feeling energy and a bit of added joy.

Couldn't stop talking, fiddling with things, bouncing around and smiling. No nausea with this method, even though I ate 6 large slices of pizza and two cupcakes directly before taking it. Got a mild headache that lasted for about 24 hours afterwards (mostly taken away by 1 200mg advil).

Took it for an amazing half hour fireworks show that is synchronized with music in a big city. Sat on a roof top with music blaring watching the fireworks. Incredible, haha.

Oh yeah, it comes up very slowly still with rectal. Took an hour or two until I was really going. Quite different from the ten minutes it takes to peak with rectal 2C-Xs.

I've never tried amphetamine or MDMA, but it was very different from every other class of drugs I've tried (indoles, 4-hos, 5-MeOs, and 2c-xs). I might not of been able to tell it was a tryptamine if given it in a blind test. It did feel very clean, none of that 2c-x bizarre body load. An interesting experience.
 
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