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The Big and Dandy 4-AcO-DMT thread - New incarnation

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There's been a lot of discussion over the past few weeks on here about that very question, LicktheShade. If you end up trying it out, please report back and let us know much, if at all, the potency seemed diminished.
 
hi. Iv been thinking about attempting to find some of this substance for a long time now and am intrigued by its effects. I have heard that it is suspected to turn to Psilocin in the body and this makes me want to experiment with it even more.

Any advise would be greatly received.

Ta.
 
I kept 1/10g of this substance in a solution of distilled water and vodka (probably 10:1) for upwards of two years and noticed no significant loss in potency. The liquid did turn a darker color though, kind of a dark brown but still transparent.
 
I've read the thread, and the consensus on a good starting dosage seems to be quite varied. I don't want an underwhelming experience, but I know that these things can be unpredictable. What would you all recommend?
 
arohydro said:
I've read the thread, and the consensus on a good starting dosage seems to be quite varied. I don't want an underwhelming experience, but I know that these things can be unpredictable. What would you all recommend?
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I took 4-aces for the first time this past Friday with a friend.

25mg for me and 20mg for him. Fumarate.

It was divine. I've had some great visuals before, but I've never had overwhelmingly mind-boggling goodness like that before.

I don't know whether tryptamines inspire these particular types of visions or whether it was because I tend to gravitate towards particular artwork like this, but I literally had a revolving set of Shpongle and Alex Grey images running through my mind.

3D pyramids with infinite sets of smiling triple-eyed faces that would then morph into golden towers of Alex Grey faces from the artwork used in Tool's 10,000 Days album.

I had a LOT of euphoria that accompanied this and it was just utterly blissful letting myself be washed away by the beauty I was seeing.

I was a bit skeptical of this chemical because I felt that people were overstating how great it was. Certainly no RC could produce such great visuals, feeling, etc. Welp. I was wrong. 4-Aco-DMT is now right on the top of my favorite RCs list.

Just an amazing, amazing tryptamine. Also, we both went out to a fairly crowded club and had absolutely no problems interacting with people, etc. I'm sure at higher dosages you'd want to plant yourself somewhere, but I found 25mg to be perfect for being able to absorb the music, atmosphere, company, etc.
 
Psymask: It's not just suspected. It most certainly does convert to psilocin when metabolised - it's what's known as a prodrug of psilocin. It's widely believed by many who have used it to be _slightly_ different from mushrooms beyond what one would expect from essentially a different ROA for psilocin, which leads many to speculate that 4-aco itself also reaches the 5HT2a receptors and has a subtly different subjective effect that 'colors' the psilocin trip, but in general it's nearly identical to a psilocin trip. I, too, have been very interested in it for this reason - I want to try an RC tryptamine and this one seems the most promising as a worthwhile classic psychedelic that's still unscheduled in the US.

arohydro: it's always a bit of a risk decision calculus trying a new psychedelic between too much and too little. I would recommend somewhere in the 10-25mg range specified in pihkal. Some people seem to find 10mg enough for a full trip, others report it's weaker than desired at that dose. 20+mg will almost certainly be enough but may be more than you're prepared for if you don't want it to be *too* insane.

I'm also quite interested in 4-aco + an MAOI. I've heard psilocin+syrian rue compared to a 6 hour DMT breakthrough experience... I'd be interested in how 4-aco compares to psilocin in terms of the MAOI combo, and how either/both compare to aya/pharma-huasca (oral n,n-DMT + MAOI in some form or another).
 
I pretty much had an awesome experience with 25mg as well. The visuals were complex and colorful and the body high was almost non-existent as I felt way relaxed. Next time I can go higher for sure as I felt the spirit of this great molecule to be kind. Be wise and let's keep this one unscheduled! :)
20mg for starters will be more than enough for a taste. Adjust as necessary.
 
I had a very powerful experience my first time with this one at 20mg. It was absolutely beautiful but stronger than anticipated. I still think it is a good dose to start at though. I gave 15mg to an inexperienced tripper and he said he enjoyed it but found it underwhelming so take that for what you will. Dosage response seems to vary quite a bit.
 
solistus said:
Psymask: It's not just suspected. It most certainly does convert to psilocin when metabolised - it's what's known as a prodrug of psilocin. It's widely believed by many who have used it to be _slightly_ different from mushrooms beyond what one would expect from essentially a different ROA for psilocin, which leads many to speculate that 4-aco itself also reaches the 5HT2a receptors and has a subtly different subjective effect that 'colors' the psilocin trip, but in general it's nearly identical to a psilocin trip
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What sources show that 4-AcO-DMT (to quote you), "certainly does convert to psilocin when metabolised"?

I know that Shulgin speculated that all of the 4-substituted homologues of 4-HO-DMT, or psilocin, would simply be prodrugs of psilocin. But with 4-HO-DiPT we see that is simply not the case.

The reason I ask how you know 4-AcO-DMT is not suspected, but is known to metabolize into psilocin is because the effects seem rather distinct. 4-AcO-DMT seems more like a cross between psilocin and DMT than simply psilocin alone.

IMO The effects of 4-HO-MiPT seem more like mushrooms than 4-AcO-DMT does, al though the duration of 4-HO-MiPT is longer than mushrooms IME. The only thing identical about 4-AcO-DMT and psilocin seems to be the duration of 5-6 hours, al though the effects do share similarities.

I would be rather surprised to find out that it is known that 4-AcO-DMT metabolizes into psilocin and I am intrigued as to where you found that information. Al though I have a sneaking suspicion that you are mistaking Shulgin's assumption as a known fact ;)

But if you have a source with proof indicating that 4-AcO-DMT is indeed a prodrug of 4-HO-DMT, I think may here on bluelight would be very interested. :)
 
there really isn't any proof that 4-aco-DMT crosses the BBB. Even if it did it would, in all likelihood be deacetylated in the brain before it could bind.
 
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Okay, so I know that there is a scale thread but I figured I would ask here since I would be weighing out all of my 4-AcO-DMT with one of these scales. For the 2c-xs, I'll use liquid measurement to be safe.

Assuming that I re-calibrated frequently and used a premeasured buffer like a piece of credit card, would either of these scales serve my purposes?

AWS Gemini 20:

http://cgi.ebay.com/AWS-Gemini-20-D...emQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item518c7a836e

AWS DIA-10:

http://www.wholesale-scales.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=46

I know that the more expensive scales would be ideal but I simply can't afford to shell out the cash at the moment, and considering that 4-AcO-DMT is the only thing I'll be weighing for quite some time, could I get away with using one of those?

If not, any other suggestions?
 
I've had both. I'm currently using the top one but it has gotten screwy on me. The off button is broken so now I have to pull the batteries out to turn it off :\ It seems to float around about +-2-3mg which can be annoying. If you mess around with it you can get relative certainty though. Using a gelcap without tare is the best way to measure IMO.

You can definitely get away with using it but it isn't as accurate as I would like. It will give you an approximate within 2-3mg of what your taking but I don't completely trust it to give me the correct measurement.

I'm already looking into buying a better scale.
 
I guess so. It seems a bit sturdier. They both are kinda crap quality though. The calibration function on the DIA 10 broke in a few weeks so I just stopped using it. At least my gemini still works after about a year and I use it a lot to weigh psychedelics and other things like weed/kratom/piracetam/phenibut.
 
I use the gemini as well, and the pretty much the same method delta described. I weigh out the dose in the handy dandy tray that it comes with, put that in a gelcap, then weigh the cap with the dose in it, usually several times. Oh yeah, you have to know the weight of an empty capsule to start with... and that method seems to work pretty well. I've had the scale for over a year, I think. It has gotten a bit more difficult lately though, more frequent calibration, on & offing etc... Its a strange little ritual.
 
I have the DIA model under a different brand name (it looks exactly like mine except the different markings). It is a crap scale. Mine quit working a while back. It won't calibrate anymore nor read any weight. I tried giving it another shot today, even went to the store to score new batteries but it was all in vain. . .
So I pulled out the AccuLab VIC-123.. now that's a real fucker there. It's a pain to calibrate and set up on the quick but it's pretty damn good tool. This guy is a lot more expensive though so I'd recommend the Gemini as I have mates that have used it with fairly accurate results.
 
do you guys get a body high from this?

this being my first psychedelic i don't really know how to classify the parts of each experience. i tried 25mg the other night and it blew my mind. i realized that what i had thought was the trip during my last two experiences with this (10-12mg each time) was probably just the come up and peak maybe. i guess i'll just need more psychedelic experience but i don't know if what i felt was a body load/ body high that is part of the trip or was just a result of the come up because when i tried 25mg i started with 10mg and after i got past that body load/high at about t+2hrs i took another 15mg and never seemed to feel much more of a body high but definitely started tripping wayyy harder.
 
^Yeah the body high off this is almost negligible. I took about 40mg earlier today and went for a nice hike. I am tired off the walking but my body is remarkably relaxed. This is in contrast to the time I went hiking on 2C-I and I felt a lot more worn out.
I don't know I find this RC very light. . . where as my trip mate was awash in psychedelia, I was relatively cool. My visuals weren't too impressive nor was I tripping the fuck out like I have before on LSD but it was a damn good feeling of oneness with nature and serenity. We also laughed our asses off over stupid shit so it's quite lively in social interaction. Maybe it's just my chemistry I don't get floored off it but it sure as hell fun nonetheless. Next time hoping to try this in more private surroundings in a dark room with light music to accentuate and explore the visuals.
 
Not short

What is the opposite of Hard Head?...anyway 3 mg at 10:30a...just melt in mouth...definate chemical taste, sort of methish...another 2mg at 12:30...mostly a + experience but wow did it last....could finally say down at 8:30p

No body load, similar to Gel windowpane,...not stimulating but activating in an antidepressant sort of description (better mood and less jittery than zyban , better than stabalon, reboxetine).

This chem is really stable in fum form....
Liked it better mixed with 4acomipt...the mixture was also better than 4acomipt alone

For the record, the organic I believe is ..more trippie...more strobes....and the organic has a more euphoric feeling on the downslope...

what the hey....no regrets..
 
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