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The Big and Dandy 4-AcO-DMT thread - New incarnation

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First Time 4-AcO Trip

I ended up doing the 4-AcO-DMT this weekend. The chemical was similar in character to a shroom experience but distinctly different. It was similar in that when I have taken shrooms I have a very internalized trip with no visuals.

As a side question, I am wondering if anyone else gets zero visuals from shrooms/4-AcO?

I have had several 3.5g Mexican shroom trips as well as a wet 35g trip off of one of the stronger strains in Amsterdam. These combined with the 4-AcO trip detailed below never produced any visuals, yet I have gotten extremely vivid OEVs from 2C-E.

For the trip report:
I took a pretty high total dose, only 15mg oral, but when it wasn't hitting enough 30 minutes later, I insufflated 10 mg for an equivalent oral dose closer to 35 mg. I am a bit of a hardhead with tryptamines, so it was not unexpected that my dose was a bit more than what most consider a strong dose (25mg).

Trip was very internal and a +++ and hit a ++++ late in the trip (still integrating now 3 days later). I did about 30 minutes of meditation on the comeup and then literally spent 4 hours in bed enjoying the beauty of the music I was listening to (Cinematic Orchestra) and exploring my own psyche and thoughts. About 2.5 hours in I did 150mg of Ketamine which really pushed the trip and took my trip to a ++++. I was one with the music and was creating pure beauty in my world. I realized I could be dead and accepted it and just embraced the beauty I saw through my internal mental images and the music. Came out at about 4 hours from the trip and took about another 2 to get to baseline with 4 hours of afterglow after that until bed.

I do remember trying to figure out during the trip whether I had a voice recorder on my iPhone I was listening to music on as I knew I would not be able to put the experience into words later; unfortunately I didn't have one and I am unable to properly describe the peak of the trip.
 
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I do remember trying to figure out during the trip whether I had a voice recorder on my iPhone I was listening to music on as I knew I would not be able to put the experience into words later; unfortunately I didn't have one and I am unable to properly describe the peak of the trip.

I find that attempting to put words to such powerful ++++ experiences sometimes devalues it. There are just those moments our language can't grasp if you know what I mean :)

glad you had awesome time. I've wanted to try k on 4aco for some time now.
 
I find that attempting to put words to such powerful ++++ experiences sometimes devalues it. There are just those moments our language can't grasp if you know what I mean :)

glad you had awesome time. I've wanted to try k on 4aco for some time now.

Thanks, it was a great combo although I love the K combo with pretty much everything, had my only other ++++ with a 2C-E and K combo.

One thing that is still strange after I have finally finished reading this thread (as well as the old one) is that almost everyone speaks of the visuals they are getting, oftentimes even more intense than shrooms. As posted above, I have never had OEVs or significant CEVs on shrooms or now on 4-AcO. I have never done LSD (wish I could get ahold of it in NY) but had incredible OEVs and CEVs on both 2C-E and Mescaline.

Was wondering if I am unique in this aspect (and I am a bit of a hardhead with shrooms) or if others have had very powerful experiences without visuals on shrooms/4-AcO?
 
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I do remember trying to figure out during the trip whether I had a voice recorder on my iPhone I was listening to music on as I knew I would not be able to put the experience into words later; unfortunately I didn't have one...

Pretty sure it comes with the Voice Memos app as standard... Or at least the 3G ones do... Don't worry though, I've been on trips where I wouldn't have been able to figure it out either. Using technology while tripping is hysterical. :)
 
Thanks, it was a great combo although I love the K combo with pretty much everything, had my only other ++++ with a 2C-E and K combo.

One thing that is still strange after I have finally finished reading this thread (as well as the old one) is that almost everyone speaks of the visuals they are getting, oftentimes even more intense than shrooms. As posted above, I have never had OEVs or significant CEVs on shrooms or now on 4-AcO. I have never done LSD (wish I could get ahold of it in NY) but had incredible OEVs and CEVs on both 2C-E and Mescaline.

Was wondering if I am unique in this aspect (and I am a bit of a hardhead with shrooms) or if others have had very powerful experiences without visuals on shrooms/4-AcO?

I'm inclined to use hardhead in the sense that you might just be trying to hard. The first few times I dropped L I barely had any OEVs. It took me awhile to get out of my own head and really start looking at what was going on around me. It wasn't until I got knocked on my ass that the visuals came pouring in. They haven't stopped since %)

That last statement may or may not mean anything to you, but if it does I hope that helps.

edit: lol that makes it sound like i have hppd. i was just referring to individual psychedelic experiences following. haha
Yea man, I got substandard visuals off Four Aces even at 40mg orally. Guess it's just the brain model I have.

No such thing as substandard. YMMV
 
I finally got my hands on this =D and im looking to get some empty gel caps to put some of it in. I won't be putting more than 20mg in any one cap and i would like to get the smallest size possible. I bought some online a while ago for 2c-e and they ended up being way bigger than i expected so i checked all the local spots to get smaller ones, but couldn't find any. so what would be the smallest or best size id be able to use? also how is this substance nasally, is it as terribly harsh as 2c-e? ill probably try plugging it also to see which way i enjoy best and which one works the best.
 
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^ i use size 1 capsules, they fit roughly 400mg of powder when packed full (depending on density of the powder of course, YMMV) but are still large enough to work with. I use a cap-m-quik to fill my capsules, and pre-dilute my powder with sugar (blended to homogeneity in a coffee grinder) in order to get a uniform, consistent mix. with a little practice, i can cap up 50 equal doses in 15 minutes.

Just today I dosed 6mg (SIX!) before going to watch Hubble IMAX 3D (narrated by leo dicaprio LOL) and it was so beautiful i was moved to tears several times. Highly recommended! GO SEE IT NOW!
 
is this chemical scheduled in the US? from looking on erowid there was only a "research chemical" indication with no legal status information. im assuming its not explicitly illegal but covered under the analogue act. is this correct?
 
is this chemical scheduled in the US? from looking on erowid there was only a "research chemical" indication with no legal status information. im assuming its not explicitly illegal but covered under the analogue act. is this correct?

Don't know if it's been tested, but if it wouldn't be considered an analog, i don't know what would :-P
 
what colour is the chemical people have been receiving. my friend just got some but i'm a little dubious about its colour. its a slightly reddy-brown. but very light in colour.

any help or reassurance would be greatly recieved.!!!
 
I finally got my hands on this =D and im looking to get some empty gel caps to put some of it in. I won't be putting more than 20mg in any one cap and i would like to get the smallest size possible. I bought some online a while ago for 2c-e and they ended up being way bigger than i expected so i checked all the local spots to get smaller ones, but couldn't find any. so what would be the smallest or best size id be able to use? also how is this substance nasally, is it as terribly harsh as 2c-e? ill probably try plugging it also to see which way i enjoy best and which one works the best.

when i snorted 4acodmt it didn't hurt at all, basically felt like nothing iirc.
 
what colour is the chemical people have been receiving. my friend just got some but i'm a little dubious about its colour. its a slightly reddy-brown. but very light in colour.

any help or reassurance would be greatly recieved.!!!

I recently received mine about a week ago, and it is that color too.
 
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what colour is the chemical people have been receiving. my friend just got some but i'm a little dubious about its colour. its a slightly reddy-brown. but very light in colour.

any help or reassurance would be greatly recieved.!!!

I'd be careful, the stuff I received a few months ago is white, and I think its supposed to be white or slightly grey. Haven't heard of it being brownish-red before.
 
what colour is the chemical people have been receiving. my friend just got some but i'm a little dubious about its colour. its a slightly reddy-brown. but very light in colour.

any help or reassurance would be greatly recieved.!!!

I just got 500mg about a week ago. mine was a light tan color, but it has been tested since i received it and it feels as pure/strong/good as it did when i got it in whiteish powder. I have heard of people getting this from pure white to dark brown without any loss of quality so id say you're fine. just eat some and see :)
 
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ive only personally ever had the whiteish and the light tan, they both tasted about the same from what i can remember about the white powder. the tan felt as 'clean' as the white to me and in fact i got 100% equal trips from the same dosage (17mg) from each batch and there was no discernible difference in effect at all, ~same duration, come up. i have read posts on here and other forums of people saying they have also gotten the power in mainly light tan and white/off-white, but i have also seen a few others mentioning darker brown power, but i have never seen that personally. is there anything else i can tell you that i maybe missed?
 
brilliant news, thanks everyone. me and ma mate will be testing at the end of this week. i'll let you all know how it goes. will only do a small tester as it will be my first go. have tried other magical chemicals and potions but they have been of the Phenethylamine variety or magico mushroomio's (also some acid which i can only ever seem to find when my brain has already exceeded its guideline daily amount of chemical intake).

All very good , but i think a pure tryptamine has got to gain the upper hand over any of Mr. Shulgins inventions , and maybe even the mushroom experience's i have. can anyone recomend a tester dose. and does anyone know the dose range as i cant find much aboot it on erowid or wikipoo.
 
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