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The Big and Dandy 4-AcO-DMT thread - New incarnation

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psilocybonaut said:
That doesn't seem like a very high dose at all to me, I am surprised that you reached a ++++ from that.
That's a solid IM dose with this mix of these chems. Remember IMing is nearly double the potency of oral and that psilocin is, in my experience at least, 40-50 percent more potent than 4-AcO-DMT. So his dose was around the intensity equivalent of 25 or 26 mg of 4-AcO-DMT orally, which is a full oral dose for people without a tolerance. Plus a ++++, though probably more likely during a higher dose trip, consists of elusive psychological/environmental components that distinguish it from any quantitative scale.

Regarding the mix: If I'm just dosing on 4-AcO-DMT or psilocin I find a mix where each contributes to about half of the total effects preferable to either drug alone at a comparable level of intensity. Together they manage to make up for each other's modest, albeit subjective, flaws, yet they're similar enough that they don't compromise any of each other's virtues.
 
aMT, DPT, 4-AcO-DMT big mini-report

I'm apartment-sitting my girlfriend nice big place while she's away for ten days at a conference. Hours earlier I injected 25 mg of aMT IM. A few hours later I take another 20 mgs of aMT orally. An hour after that I use 50mgs of DPT IM. The aMT/DPT trip itself is incredible, supernaturally sunlit, rich, and prolific: if I could murder Mother Earth, grind up her ovaries and freebase them in a pipe this is what I’d expect the high to be like. This is about 4-AcO-DMT though. I take 13mgs of 4-AcO-DMT intramuscularly 3 hours after the DPT (the DPT effects are now merely residual):

The onset is extraordinary. I expected a fast but essentially smooth rise in effects over a period of 10-15 minutes. Instead I feel nothing for about 5 minutes after injection, and then I'm suddenly gripped by 4-AcO-DMT around the neck. My throat feels tight and I began to feel disoriented, like I’ve just smoked DMT. I endure this for about 1 minute and decide I should lie down. Within seconds after lying down I feel a flood of relief. I feel I need to stress that this relief occurred over a few seconds at most. Something popped in my brain, as though every synaptic vesicle ejaculated its serotonin in unison.

Many past similar experiences have led me to consider that my brain is learning how to manipulate 4-AcO/ho-DMT internally in the service of creating experiences distinct from my usual 4-AcO/ho-DMT trips, and this is one of the most striking examples yet. The trip goes from “first alerts” to plateau within 2 minutes, where normally it takes 10-15 (with or without aMT.)

My skull is suddenly swimming in a palpably warm viscous fluid akin to hot cum, and it’s immensely pleasurable. I simply concentrate on breathing for a few minutes before realizing my throat is parched. An immense water draw has accompanied this type of surging experience on both 4-AcO-DMT and 4-ho-DMT, but never the normal smoother trips with these drugs. I sit up to drink some water and feel like I might pass out. The “surging” trips are physically demanding, and I need to drink approximately a cup of water every 5 minutes during the peak to keep up. Involuntary movements usually characterize these types of trips for me, but I haven’t experienced any yet.

After about a half hour I am able to get up and microwave some buttered rice. The taste is unreasonably delicious and sensations of flavor seem to snake down my esophagus and coil around my spine. But the flavor snakes tickle and I begin to laugh manically.

It is perhaps the deepest, sweetest laughter I’ve every experienced, a whole laughter whose joy seems to burst from every cell. There seems no depth of suffering that cannot be razed and uplifted by the swooping troughs of its rhythms; this conviction superposes itself over the surges of laughter, back-flooding every tributary of my consciousness with an absurd and complete ecstasy.

It is alarming to feel so joyous. For such a glutted happiness to even exist as an existential potential, even if it is an augmentation of drugs, strikes me as unnecessary and unnatural. For a moment I think it sad to think this, to know that such joy, without the aid of psychedelics, is only attainable conceptually, and through analogy to pain. Mind you it is just a thought, one too small to alter the trajectory of my rocket-boosted mood. And the drug-fueled fires soon consume it, leaving me rejoicing in the fact that I have nevertheless attained this joy, and feeling ridiculous that I’ve fretted over a metaphysical quibble in the face of an experience so obviously in my favor.

I reach up to wipe the tears from my eyes and feel a strange sensation localized in my rotator cuff. I relax my arm and it continues moving on its own until it is draped over the arm of the couch behind my head. I make the “tear wiping” movement with my other arm and the same thing happens! (If you have someone hold your arms at your side while you attempt to raise them for 60 seconds while keeping your arms straight, and then your friend lets go and you relax your arms only to feel them raise on their own, you’ll experience something very similar.)

I wait for the visions of procreation and birth that have usually come with the involuntary movements of the surging 4-AcO/ho-DMT trips I’ve had in the past, but they never come—though the arm-lifting reflex persists for another hour or so.

The fits of laughter occur sporadically over the next 2 hours before subsiding. Despite the great heights of emotion explored in the trip I never crash, which I attribute to the persistent pleasures of aMT. The next day I feel fine, though a little tired. I highly recommend spending a shitty day alone in apartment this way, but go easy.

[Edit]: This experience has made me hesitant to try 4-AcO-DMT intraveneously. If I had a similar reaction to IV I could imagine it being dangerous.
 
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Dondante said:
9 mg 4-AcO-DMT and 3 mg 4-HO-DMT administered intramuscularly contributed to a true peak experience. It was a spiritual and intellectual illumination so awe-inspiring that I feel compelled to somehow record it. This experience surpassed my one and only previous brush with cosmic consciousness (LSD + IV'd DMT). I'm still trying to put it into words! =D
I'm done putting it into words. =D

What wonderful substances!!!

Peak Experience
 
Tried 18mg and found it VERY similar to a 2 gram cubensis mushroom trip,
only less confusion and nausea.
I think 25mg would be a decent dose for next time.
 
I dont know if this has been reported previously but insufflation of 4-aco-dmt does nothing to speed the onset of the trip or increase potency, although it does shorten the comedown giving the trip a seemingly more concrete ending, it also added an element of stomach discomfort which has been absent in all my oral experiences. Insufflation is totally painless, but on one occasion produced an instant and severe nose bleed. No psychedelic has ever given me a nose bleed previously, not even 1.5 grams of yopo. My conclusion is there is absolutely no reason to insufflate 4-aco-dmt, unless a truncated comedown is desired, even then this will come at a price which will lesson the overall quality of the trip.
 
WTF happened: scarry reaction to 4-aco-dmt

A few days ago a person did 30mg of 4-aco-dmt. about an hour and a half in to the trip. Their temperature started raising, a thermometer could not be found, but they felt like they had a high fever and were sweating like crazy. They started gaging for a while like they were about to through up but never did. Then they tried to go to sleep and they were really out of it for a while but never actually asleep. They said during that time they felt so weak they could barley open their eyes. After about an hour and a half all of a sudden they were pretty much back to normal, but tired. The person had taken similar doses of 4-aco-dmt from the same batch 4 times without problems, and so had many other people.

They take elavil so I'm thinking it was probably a short moderate case of seratonin syndrome. Is this possible, because i thought seratonin syndrome would normally set in faster and last longer and would be unlikly with this combination?

Anyone have any ideas what could have happened and if there is any chance of permanent damage. Should they avoid all similar substances forever or just this one? Should they get off elavil for a while before doing anything again?

Also is this the first case of any reaction like this to 4-aco-dmt?
 
I have not heard of this sort of reaction to 4-aco and did not experience it when I experimented with this substance. I would be inclined to suspect a reaction to the Elavil but cannot honestly be sure. I would not try this combination again. Perhaps if the Elavil is disconitnued this individual could try to take a very small dose of 4-aco, closely supervised, and see how it goes, but I would tread carefully.

This shold remind us all that these really are "UNRESEARCHED" CHEMICALS, and that they are nothing to play around with. I'm glad that everything is okay, though, and I'd doubt that there is permanent damage, although I'd be careful ingesting other drugs, particularly if the Elavil is continued (p.s. if discontinuning the Elavil, please taper slowly and preferably under medical supervision.)

Any other thoughts, guys?
 
Seems like the Elavil could easily have something to do with it, but I don't really know. Was this person on Elavil the other times they took 4-AcO-DMT and had no bad reaction?

Anyway, it sounds a little severe to just be a bad trip experience, but you can't rule out the possibility that the heat felt was psychosomatic, as well as the weakness.
 
Serotonic syndrome would have presented a lot more behaviourally dramtic effects I think, besides somatic disturbances. By this I mean things such as mania or psychosis...either way, what SKL said. These are in fact unresearched checmicals and everytime we eat one, we play a type of russian roulette.
 
they were on elavil all the other times, they are going to try to get off it soon, the last time they tried to get off of it the doctor said to stop it all at once without warning of possible withdrawal affects
 
hello guys, i´m new in the forum and... i´m very interested in 4-aco-dmt compound=D . My doubt is about of my experiences on cubensis shrooms. I want to clarify differences of 4-aco-dmt and shrooms before taking the chemical in question.

The problem is... with shrooms, in the come up phase, always feel much anxiety and chaotic confussion, even with low doses (1,5 grams). I would like know if with 4-aco-dmt it´s posisible delete this side effects in persons with this problem at the come up stage. Thanks a lot, sorry for my bad english.
 
this drug is fantastic. 20mg orally in Hampstead heath on a sunny day made for the most fun i've had on psychedelics in ages. one strange thing though, my girlfriend and i took it at the same time, but she came up in about half an hour, whilst it took me two and a half hours to feel the effects. could i have just had a 4-Ho-DMT trip? I've never taken mushrooms or 4-Ho-DMT so i wouldn't know the difference...

I would like to thank the people who have posted in this thread and its last incarnation for clearing up some questions i had about the drug before i took it.

good luck to all who try it in the future...
 
freaktech: I find 4-AcO-DMT to not produce anxiety on the come-up, whereas mushrooms definitely produce anxiety for me. But be aware that any psychedelic can cause anxiety sometimes.

kingstonz: I doubt it was 4-HO-DMT instead. 4-AcO-DMT seems to be very variable in people, probably because it's metabolized at different speeds. If I take it orally, I start coming up in 10-15 minutes and the whole thing only lasts 2-3 hours. But some people find it takes 2 hours or so to come up, and the experience lasts 6-8 hours. I wish I was one of those... for me, it comes up so fast it feels more like DMT than mushrooms... it's not really something I can take and go do stuff, as it makes me kind of incapacitated.
 
Thanks for you fast answer. I had thought taking about 6 mg for my first time. It´s fine? I´m looking the intensity of 1 gram of cubensis experience. Is it possible to take (at this dose, of course) it in a social environment? with shrooms it would be impossible! Thanks a lot, excellent comunity.
 
For me, the entire Mushroom experience is ridden with anxiety, regardless of the dose. I am reluctanct to consume mushrooms ever again because of it.

4-aco-dmt is usually a smooth anxiety free ride for me, especially if the dose is low. Occasionally it will produce some anxiety, but I have been able to calm down and work through it, unlike my mushroom experiences where the anxiety is just too much to handle.
 
pedaltopedal said:
For me, the entire Mushroom experience is ridden with anxiety, regardless of the dose. I am reluctanct to consume mushrooms ever again because of it.

4-aco-dmt is usually a smooth anxiety free ride for me, especially if the dose is low. Occasionally it will produce some anxiety, but I have been able to calm down and work through it, unlike my mushroom experiences where the anxiety is just too much to handle.

This is exactly my reaction on mushrooms! exactly!! thanks a lot, this opinions help me very much :)
 
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