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The Big and Dandy 4-AcO-DMT thread - New incarnation

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i find 6mg to be great for a couple hours of color and emotion enhancement.

12mg is a wonderful dose about like half an eighth of good shrooms, beautiful OEV without too much 'mindfuck' like shrooms. very malleable into whatever kind of trip you want, perfect for tripping in a group.

16-18mg gave me a much deeper trip, lots more CEVs and wanted to close my eyes and journey inside my visions for a while. not a good dose for hanging out with a group of friends.

i haven't taken this material beyond that, as it is so rich and powerful at those doses for me I don't want to push it. if you're a real lightweight, start lower. if you're a hardhead then i guess you can start higher but IMO this material is very useful in the hands of someone who is familiar with the shroom headspace. it also feels like it moves in waves similar to the shroom experience (not tripping... tripping ballz... sober... holy shit did you see that tree!)

one of my friends compared it favorably to shrooms, but said she didn't 'feel like there was a spiritual component'. but of course, this was after i told her it was man-made so who knows. IMO this compound is just as holy as the magic mushrooms.
 
porkstock said:
please continue let us know about the light tan/ reddish brown 4acodmt.
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I've received 500mg of 4-AcO-DMT fumarate in the past two weeks and it is the tan/reddish batch people are describing. It was my first time taking this chemical and it definitely produced the expected results. No previous history with the white batch.
 
Shambles said:
Hard to say as YMMV, but I'd suggest maybe around 12-15mg orally as it seems to pick up pretty sharpish in the 15-25mg+ range. It's damn good stuff though so not one I'd be over-concerned about "overdosing" on myself. Especially if you're familiar with mushies. Have fun :)

PS: Must. Get. More :!
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Completely agreed. I had 12 mg for my starter dose. Sadly I couldn't go above 22 mg as my batch was too small, but I could imagine 30 mg or so being a reasonable "full" dose. 4-AcO-DMT is really good stuff indeed, perhaps the best RC I've tried overall. It seems to be prone to profound experiences rather than straight ego-dissolving ones (that's not to say these are opposite, though).
 
personally i don't consider 4-aco-dmt to be a "research chemical" at all. it feels like pure essence of mushroom with none of the taste or gastric distress of munching on fungal matter. i'm not sure i could distinguish them in a double-blind test if they were given at comparable dosages.
 
I definitely think I could distinguish the two although I have never had pure psilocin so maybe not. The trip felt distinct but at the same time extremely similar to mushrooms. The body buzz and even mentasl mindset are somewhat different but the visuals are very similar aesthetically.
 
Shambles said:
I agree with D-9-THC. Similar to mushrooms but also completely distinct in my mind. I much prefer 4-AcO.
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Agreed. I don't think I will ever eat mushrooms again when I have Psilacetin around. It's got all the positives of mushrooms without any of the negatives(nausea, anxiogenic come up, body load, etc) IME.
 
I didn't find it massively effective nasally myself. Not enough difference to make it worthwhile just to trim an hour off the duration for me anyway Plus, it stinks.

Also, if in a real hurry, you can be in and out within 15 minutes if you IV it ;)
 
For me the effects are so dramatically different that mushrooms/4-HO-DMT and 4-AcO-DMT are not the same drug. For whatever reason, 4-AcO-DMT makes me feel tired. The mental effects aren't even close to as powerful either. That's not to say I don't enjoy it and haven't had some truly powerful experiences on it. But it's no substitute for me.
 
my mushroom trips each had intense differences from each other, and my 4-aco-dmt trips have also varied. each substance feels like it offers the same possibilities, but the body load and anxiety seem absent with the 4-aco-dmt. i'm also one of the people for whom the duration (4-6hr) of 4-aco is almost indistinguishable from shrooms. i can only imagine what it must be like for those people who feel the trip condensed into two hours.

i haven't tried pure 4-ho-dmt, but i would be surprised if it felt closer to mushrooms than to 4-aco-dmt.
 
I can not find 4-HO-DMT is like that 4-ACO-DMT more sedative and less powerful.
 
thanks greenmeanies. i will use your advice wisely. i am also in need of advise about storage. at the mo its in the baggy it came in, in a small box on the floor, should be pretty cool in there as it isn't in sunlight.
is there a better way of storage i.e fridge freezer ma bob or will this do??

this stuff sounds like the reason i started this whole researching/testing/online stuff. it sounds like the answer to my psychedelic prayers. wooo hooop i cant wait to test it!!!
 
i have tripped on mushrooms several times, but not in a couple years. if i were to get mushrooms i would probably take a whole eighth, unless they were supposed to be insanely potent.

i have only 25 mg of 4acodmt. it's not too crazy to take that as my first, and maybe only dose is it?

i've recently been tripping on 2ce (12-20 mg) and LSD (1-4 hits)
 
Did 25mg for the first time last weekend. I felt robbed that no one told me how good this stuff was. All I could think was "wow, I just ate what the psych version of gold would be" Visuals were intense, but delicate and perfect. Looked like everything was wrapped in glass and my depth perception turned into interpreting depth through rainbows (I tend to see rainbows EVERYWHERE when I trip, I love it!) and everything that light touched looked like it was reflecting off diamonds. Only thing was I lost me ego pretty bad. Not necessarily a bad thing, but I like to plan losing my ego rather than it being a surprise. Might try 22 next time to try to keep my ego intact a little more, however I dont want to sacrifice much of my visuals, im a sucker for eye candy ;)
 
porkstock said:
i have only 25 mg of 4acodmt. it's not too crazy to take that as my first, and maybe only dose is it?
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Like I said I tried 25 my first time. Im kinda a soft head for psychs and I loose my ego easier than a 3 year old boy at sea world. However the best way it was described to me by my gf is that it is very forgiving. If you take too much its not like the phen's where its gunna knock you around. If you feel like you take too much its easy to ride out, especially because of the fact there is no nausea. I feel 25 was good, but may try less next time just to see if I can avoid spending a whole hour in a though loop. However i dont want to sacrifice my eye candy so i'll see what happens
 
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