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The Benzodiazepine Thread v. IV

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Well after one day with klonozepam Im pretty sure I like it. Its quite potent like alpraz...with a slower onset though obviously. But it last for a really long time once it actually does take effect. (Naturally, due to its much longer half life of around 40 hrs) ... and to this end its anti-anxietal properties linger in the system for a lot longer as you would expect. When Im just taking xanax I wake up in the morning pretty anxious quite a lot of the time. But this morning I was super relaxed. Felt great.

While I find valium to be not that interesting either recreationally or for anti anxiety requirements. What I do like is the way you wake up in the morning still feeling its effects, due to diazepams outrageously long half-life. And in that way klon reminded me of diazepam this morning when I woke up.
 
Tyrael; you cant really be serious when you say codeine can be as addictive as other opiates, do you mean in extremly rare circumstances maybe someone could possibly be as addicted to codeine as other opiatesand need extreme treatment? or do you think it should be common practice that people with a codeine addiction should be placed on bupe?

what worry's me is that people who may be worried that they are addicted to codeine might end up thinking that there only option to be put on Bupe or methadone when all they need is a bit of will power.
 
tyrael by favourite I just meant I find clonazepam most effective in alleviating anxiety and I don't drink at all, because the combination is asking for trouble and Id rather benzos for my anxiety than a drink. I learnt the hard way with opiates and benzos about poly-substance use and now wouldn't touch an opioid
 
gimpan said:
Tyrael; you cant really be serious when you say codeine can be as addictive as other opiates, do you mean in extremly rare circumstances maybe someone could possibly be as addicted to codeine as other opiatesand need extreme treatment? or do you think it should be common practice that people with a codeine addiction should be placed on bupe?....
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Of course it shouldn't be common practice, same as if one is addicted to morphine if they have titrate/cease their dose without ORT then yes this is better. However each opiate has it's own drug profile which includes addiction potential - codeine being one of the least however there IS still an addiction potential there, both psychologically and physiologically (VTA->NA [Dopaminergic] pathway) . This doesn't mean however that one cannot become addicted to codeine. In fact, places like DASSA are seeing higher incidence rate of codeine addiction (for various of reasons).


Each person's case/addiction is different - which is why when going through the process of beginning ORT's you see a practitioner which guides/helps you through the transition. The point is, if you are addicted to codeine - whether you believe it's a addictive or not doesn't matter! - there is an addiction there which need to be addressed! ORT might be a therapy, so might Mindfullness, CBT, Psychiatrist/Psychologist, councillor, it doesn't matter, as long as it works for you.



gimpan said:
....what worry's me is that people who may be worried that they are addicted to codeine might end up thinking that there only option to be put on Bupe or methadone when all they need is a bit of will power.....
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An addiction is an addiction! And in the case of codeine; what you're forgetting is that - IRRESPECTIVE of drug - if is clinically addicted that one is exhibiting classical w/d symptoms and cannot live their life without additional help then yes, ORT might be an answer. Have you been/seen one in the grips of addiction, "will power" does not come into it and (what you call) "extreme treatment" may indeed be required.

What I would say to those who believe they have an addiction - to drugs, cigarettes, pokies, sex, lying, doesn't matter! - seek help and the medical practitioner will provide options to help with cessation (regarding codeine, ORT might be one of these answers).
 
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the red shark said:
tyrael by favourite I just meant....
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My bad mate! (You know how the 'net-misinterpretation goes :) )


goonbag said:
....Good to see that all they will achieve is sending another drug underground and/or creating an even bigger black market of factory diverted or fake xanax bars, what a joke.....
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Interesting you should say this goonbag because I was thinking the exact same thing re marijuana and synthetic cannbinoids. And how extremely more worse the synthetic cannabinoids are (for the body and mind)......they've ("War on drugs" and such) done it to themselves really, haven't they?!
 
Sasha needs to hurry up with his next decent psycoactive tryptamine or a lovely phenylthylamine so it can be snapped up and produced almost overnight by the chinese vendors as happens. Then we can all have the chance to buy bulk ammount of an off the wall substance. No tolerance issues. Sarisfyingly active in the single digit mgs. No toxicity. Redosing works just as thefirst dose once hitting base.

Ahhhhh we can dream, right? :D
 
^Fuuuuuuucckkkk if only hahaha

I know what il be dreamin about tonight

Can anyone give me an idea what it would be like to drop valium or say etiz just as you start tripping on a couple tabs of cid just as you start tripping?

Wud it kill all the fun or allow you to trip without anixety?
 
A prescribed dose (5mg val or equavilent of others) will be fine and should help abate most anxiety. Take too much and it will dull the trip to a degree. Benzos dont kill the trip, though you may fall asleep - this isnt aborting/killing it.

The antipsychotic risperidone will. Ive used it before to abort when id had enough.

Good luck.
 
tentram said:
The antipsychotic risperidone will. Ive used it before to abort when id had enough.

Good luck.
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Quetiapine will kill a trip too from my experience.

I've used up to 20mg of diaz when tripping and it hasn't dulled the trip, although it did make it more likely that I would just sit and not want to move for the duration. These days I find they're much better if saved until I want to sleep at the end of the trip.
 
Fuck yeah cheers fellas, just what I wanted to hear.

Adding a benzo into the mix with a 25i/c nbome may be even more beneficial due to the cns depressant effect since fast heart rate something that comes along with the nbomes.
 
I always found anti-psychotics at low doses to be better for killing a trip than benzo's, benzos are good if you just want to mellow out but seroquel will eliminate it.

Just had some benzos over the last few days and im suprised that I needed nearly the same amount as when I quit 2 months ago! Dont think benzo tolerance goes down much or very quickly like opi tolerance :/
 
that fucking sucks to hear, Ive been having one or two etiz every weekend for months and im starting to not feel anything of the single etiz so Iv started snorting them. (which is fucking nice especially after a few beers.)
 
Yeah I quite like etiz. I'm not the biggest benzo connoisseur mind you but for me it's effective. Good job keeping them to weekends AFA. You're a better man than I.

I've been getting 30mg and using that in about a month. Then break for 2-3 months. Need to be really careful since it's easy for me to get and cheap...could end up with a solid benzo habit so quickly.
 
Is etizolam scheduled in Australia? I know there has been discussion previously not sure what the deal was though.
 
With our broad as hell analog laws these days I doubt anything could be labeled as legal.

But as scheduled goes I have tried to find out for sure and failed. That information is ridiculously hard to obtain. As long as you have a personal amount or less I doubt anyones gunna hunt you.
 
Yeah it's a calculated risk. If they really wanted to prosecute you they could...that's really what you have to assume when weighing it up. Unlikely they'd find it and even if they did, unlikely gunna hunt.
 
Yeah I got crazy euphoria from etiz a few weeks back. I find the doses or purity to be pretty carying, sometimes one will be enough other times I need 5.
 
the_ketaman said:
I always found anti-psychotics at low doses to be better for killing a trip than benzo's, benzos are good if you just want to mellow out but seroquel will eliminate it.

Just had some benzos over the last few days and im suprised that I needed nearly the same amount as when I quit 2 months ago! Dont think benzo tolerance goes down much or very quickly like opi tolerance :/
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Anti-psychotics are the best way to kill the trip simply as they are a dopemine antagonist. Simply put it takes away all the desired at the time dopamine flood.
 
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