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RCs The AH-7921 (Ah7921) Megathread (v1)

That maybe a procedure for heavy Heroin addicts etc. Even if redosing after half an hour doesn't make sense at all because Buprenorphine takes way more time to act.
Just taking your dose once a day will suffice.

Btw I think we are derailing the thread a little too much here. Just don't make yourself crazy and see how it goes. I am pretty sure it won't be too bad.
From an RC to a (more potent) and well researched half-agonist is a step forwards.
 
Do you think AH works better as a potentiator maybe? So for a user of 30mg Oxycodone a day or a few bags of heroin. Dosing some AH beforehand and then using less than what you would usually use?

People have mentioned it having a strong rush IV'd , so I could imagine it going well with heroin or hydromorphone.
 
Around two weeks since I stopped cold on this. I'm still feeling it in the evenings, a bit chilly and aching but it's getting better all the time.I can now thoroughly endorse Knock's statement that w/d's from AH-7921 are BAAD.
 
All this talk of 1mg bupe. Is that a low dose? My mate takes 12mg a day and has to go get it each day so he doesn't chomp it all at once.

IV of AH is pretty awesome, to whom above asked for clarification! My choice ROA every time for it.
 
i cut my taper from 75mg to 50 mg last night. Today is the first time ive experienced any kind of wds during this particular taper.

I feel totally knackered and achey, and a believe its a sign of the minor beginning of wds. As i may get to switch to sub soon, im not sure if theres any point torturing myself, because I'll have to go into wd then anyway. I'll take my 75 early today, i mean as soon as my breakfast has digested in about 3 or 4 hours and then have another 75 later on tonight.

I may decide to stick to 75 until i hear if the quacks are gonna give me subs or not. If not then I'll start making very gradual cuts. 75 down to 70 etc. On my previous failed taper the wds kicked in around 50 - 35 mg so its slightly worse this time, for some reason.

The main question is if you are switching to subs is it worth going through days of wds beforehand ?
 
adrandell116 said:
All this talk of 1mg bupe. Is that a low dose?
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For Buprenorphine maintenance it is a relatively low dose but it still equals around ~30mg Morphine. 12mg/day on the other hand is a very high dose.

mdb: I would just stick to 75mg as well. Like I said at the same dose my transition to 1mg Subutex was very easy so why cutting further down if it gets uncomfortable? I'd save my energys for the final step.
 
cheers for the second opinion, im very glad it confirms my own. This agency is taking fuckin ages to make its decision. Hopefully it'll be yes to a subutex script. Initially i got a "NO GO" as i tested negative but about 6 weeks ago my GP advised me to try again, and they are re-assesing everything. There is some hope but im not banking on it.

I dont want to start a 'war' with you Mr Tate as you have been very helpful, supportive and friendly. But i don't really agree that banging on about the WD aspect of AH is derailing the thread. Anyone who uses AH too often might at some stage be looking for info like you, Knock and even myself possibly have provided about the many aspects of using AH.
 
No offense taken. Even if I have been registered for a longer time I only participate regularly since last year so I'm not that familiar with the off-topic definition here at BL.
So you are right. As long as the mods don't interfere^^

If you have enough AH left to stay at 75mg until the decision is made you have no problem. Just don't prolong the Bupe-taper.

Have a nice weekend. Summer is kicking in here and I guess we can use some natural endorphins.
 
Sampled this one again after some time...just 25mgs via sublingual admin. It was a different batch than the first two times which must be almost a year ago. It's still caustic stuff, but not as bad as the one i sampled before. And what should i say, except: damn! that was nice :)

But tbh, i shouldn't have this 'fluffy evening' because i actually was in the midst of a sucky opioid wd... I definitely tapered down to fast when kicking the opis a few days ago, so it didn't took long before i felt much worse than expected.

Since AH-7921 seems to have a somewhat long half-life (or afterglow, whatever), i'm trying to taper down with it, hoping to get out easier this time.

I'm having a question which is not really related to this compound, but i hope it's ok to ask it here? If i taper and consume during the WD's, does this 'reset' or just prolong the withdrawals?
 
yeah summers the best time to quit anything i reckon. Maybe not so much so in the UK where we havent had a proper sunny summer for about 7 years. :( Imagine how depressing and freezing cold it would be trying to quit in the middle of the winter.

I should have enough to last until they decide.

hope you have a good weekend too. Don't do anything i wouldn't do (that doesn't leave much lol)
 
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Sampled this one again after some time...just 25mgs via sublingual admin. It was a different batch than the first two times which must be almost a year ago. It's still caustic stuff, but not as bad as the one i sampled before. And what should i say, except: damn! that was nice :)

But tbh, i shouldn't have this 'fluffy evening' because i actually was in the midst of a sucky opioid wd... I definitely tapered down to fast when kicking the opis a few days ago, so it didn't took long before i felt much worse than expected.

Since AH-7921 seems to have a somewhat long half-life (or afterglow, whatever), i'm trying to taper down with it, hoping to get out easier this time.

I'm having a question which is not really related to this compound, but i hope it's ok to ask it here? If i taper and consume during the WD's, does this 'reset' or just prolong the withdrawals?
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I always found it prolonged the withdrawals, but. At the same time lessened the intensity of them slightly too. So you may have to deal with it a little longer but with less of an issue. Of course, this is my experience from H and not AH-7921, but I assume the same for withdrawal off any opiate really.
 
Yeah, right, 5mg Etizolam and 150mgs of AH-7921... Sounds not really safe to me!
 
Hmm, a useful reminder. Those doses in themselves I would regard as low to medium; certainly for anyone with a tolerance. Just goes to show that the whole is more dangerous than the sum of the parts.

But I take issue with the NEVER COMBINE THESE DRUGS sentiment. There are plenty people who DO combine these drugs and have done for a long time, come and speak to them in EADD. If you tell them YOU WILL DIE they will say I HAVEN'T YET, they will be right, and they'll be disinclined to listen to anything else you have to say. The arguments about cannabis scare stories leading to distrust are just as applicable to other drugs. There is clearly a safe dosage range for such combos, as people have obviously found out for themselves, so it would be better to document and spread the facts.

In fact we have mydrugbuddy right here! And me, occasionally.
 
Right on cue: I think you need to know your limits with the individual drugs to start with. Ive taken 700mg of AH (i couldnt feel anything off 300mg so after an hour or so i took another 400mg), at the point when my tolerance was at its highest. I was absolutely fucked when all that finally hit me. I rarely go above 300 these days, as my tolerance has lowered due to general tapering all round. Ive taken Etizolam doses of 30 something mgs though not at the same time as a huge dose of AH ! Ive pushed things to the limit and have been lucky to remain living about 4 times. Ive taken AH or other opiates and Etiz and alcohol at the same time. But at lower doses of each. About a month ago i was taking 20mg of etiz a day and 150mg of ah. ive now tapered down to 100-75mg of ah and 11 etizolam every evening,

The important thing is to start very low if you're going to combine these sort of substances. For example take half your usual dose of each to start with and see how you feel. You can gradually increase things. The main thing is not to jump in at the deep end. There's far too many people in The Shrine Sub-forum already..

Im not a good example, just telling it as it is, or as it has been for me. But I have a drugs problem - i cant get enough drugs ;) No, seriously I do have a drugs problem and am getting proffessional help. I believe that my doses are or have been near extremely high and not normal, so should not be regarded as the norm. Thats one of the problems with extremists like me, it can encourage others to think thats normal. Well thats what happened in my case, i was too easily led.

You're visits are becoming rarer Knock. You used to be on EADD or OD practically all day or night, every day or night......
 
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Last night I was smoking some crack. After I run out I usually make sure I have a little bit of brown on hand, to nullify the horrid come-down. But as I had a few grams of AH lying around, I thought I would see how it faired up against a crack come-down.

I did notice that for the first half of an hour after I took the AH-7921 (100mg IV). I could feel the opiate buzz, but I also still felt horrid in the usual way one does after crack. After this half of an hour (I wasn't looking at a clock, it could have easily been more or less time). I began to fell absolutely amazing. Far better than if I had just taken the AH alone and well, obviously better than a crack come-down. This was the first time I obtained a fully fledged nod from AH-7921 and in all honesty, it is probably my best experience to date with AH-7921.

I will be partaking once again next weekend hopefully with more and better crack!

**EDIT: I just took my largest dose yet 450mg and am glad I didn't go any higher! I have been sick twice so far. :/ I feel awesome though...**
 
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Those doses in themselves I would regard as low to medium; certainly for anyone with a tolerance
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Keeping in mind that the therapeutic dose for Etizolam is in between 0.5 - 1.0mg, 5mg sounds like a rather high dose to me.
 
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