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The 6-APB (that may be 6-APDB but probably isn't) Train Wreck of a Thread

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hx_ said:
We can't really give you any advice since the only human testing known has been in the last couple of weeks with two randomers on the internet trying it at the same dose (90mg).

What would definitely not be advisable would be to more than triple their dose and mix it with alcohol.
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im gonna split into ten 100 mg doses, take only one each , i got kids and dont fancy leaving a widow and my boys fatherless:P
 
Vendors have been calling 6-APDB benzo fury, but now I see one vendor say on their page that 6-APDB isn't Benzo Fury.
Im confused.
 
benzo

i have just received an email from a source tellin me that 6-apdb is NOT benzo fury and that the real benzo fury will not be released until mid june. if that is the case what is this benzo fury that is supposidly out on the 25th? anyone here tried hex tc1? just ordered sum and would like to know if it is any good thanks.
 
Scoobysnacks said:
yeh meant split equally, ie weigh, btw shouting never gets you anywhere
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The point is that splitting equally is NOT the same as weighing. It is impossible for someone to accurately split evenly a pile of a chemical. Depending on how the individual crystals/powder are laying against whatever is next to it, it can look much smaller or larger than another pile that weighs the same. Eyeballing is dangerous and inaccurate... no one can reasonably expect to be able to do it accurately.

If you want to be sure you have equal doses, use liquid measurement. It is MUCH more accurate and will improve your safety greatly with these materials. Just take a known amount of distilled water (tap can contain chlorine which can destroy or damage some molecules) and dissolve your chemical into it. If you have 100mg, you could dissolve it into 100mL of water, and then every mL of water would have 1mg of chemical in it. Or you could dissolve it into 10mL of water and every mL would have 10mg in it. Either way, you can measure water volume accurate to within .1mL with an oral syringe you can find for $1 at a local pharmacy. If you plan to keep the solution for a while, it's best to use at least 20% of the volume as alcohol to prevent bacterial or fungal growth (in the 100mL example, you could use 20mL ethanol plus 80mL water, or you could use 50mL 80 proof vodka and 50mL water), but this isn't necessary if you're going to be dosing it all within a short time.

And really, if you're working with chemicals, just buy a scale. Honestly, you can get a decent milligram scale for $30 on Amazon. If you can afford to buy this chemical you can afford to buy a scale. It should be a requirement if you're going to be working with potent chemicals at all.

And it's also good to note that you can't be sure that what you got from a vendor is the weight that they told you. You could have been given less, or you could have been given quite a bit more. I once got, from a reputable vendor, a bag that was supposed to be 250mg, that actually weighed 490. I had a scale so I was just happy about it because I got almost twice what I paid for, but if I had just assumed it was 250, even if I had used liquid measurement, I would have been taking almost twice the dosages I meant to. It is VERY common for vendors to send somewhat different amounts than what they meant to send. If they're reputable, it's usually more, but that can be dangerous if you don't have a scale.

Moral of the story: get a scale! They're cheap to get one that will suit your purposes! And if you really just won't, then at LEAST use liquid measurement, which is free.
 
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feeny87 said:
i have just received an email from a source tellin me that 6-apdb is NOT benzo fury and that the real benzo fury will not be released until mid june. if that is the case what is this benzo fury that is supposidly out on the 25th
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A vendor that I have conversed with in the past and whom I trust as much as I allow myself to trust a seller of RCs says that 6-APDB (6-(2-Aminopropyl)-2,3-dihydrobenzofuran) is Benzo Fury 8)


feeny87 said:
anyone here tried hex tc1? just ordered sum and would like to know if it is any good thanks.
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I am pretty sure HEX TC1 8) is actually MDAT

MDAT thread here: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=502227

EDIT: Arse - I have just noticed sefrutini has posted a link to an MDAT trip report! :)
 
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you got a point there.
agonism at certain 5-HT receptors seems to play a role for mdma to work it's magic. but why only 5-HT2A/C and not others like 5-HT2B? (this paper is interesting in that respect)
with active metabolite you mean MDA?
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I'm not sure it's known how 5HT2B impacts psychedelic activity. All psychedelics also have affinity for that receptor very strongly too. 5HT2B activity assays are often used in testing putative psychedelics too.

rickolasnice said:
It was shown to have very little toxicity, i'm guessing when they tested this it would have been after toxic metabolites would have taken their course..
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Reference?
 
Xorkoth said:
The point is that splitting equally is NOT the same as weighing. It is impossible for someone to accurately split evenly a pile of a chemical. Depending on how the individual crystals/powder are laying against whatever is next to it, it can look much smaller or larger than another pile that weighs the same. Eyeballing is dangerous and inaccurate... no one can reasonably expect to be able to do it accurately.

If you want to be sure you have equal doses, use liquid measurement. It is MUCH more accurate and will improve your safety greatly with these materials. Just take a known amount of distilled water (tap can contain chlorine which can destroy or damage some molecules) and dissolve your chemical into it. If you have 100mg, you could dissolve it into 100mL of water, and then every mL of water would have 1mg of chemical in it. Or you could dissolve it into 10mL of water and every mL would have 10mg in it. Either way, you can measure water volume accurate to within .1mL with an oral syringe you can find for $1 at a local pharmacy. If you plan to keep the solution for a while, it's best to use at least 20% of the volume as alcohol to prevent bacterial or fungal growth (in the 100mL example, you could use 20mL ethanol plus 80mL water, or you could use 50mL 80 proof vodka and 50mL water), but this isn't necessary if you're going to be dosing it all within a short time.

And really, if you're working with chemicals, just buy a scale. Honestly, you can get a decent milligram scale for $30 on Amazon. If you can afford to buy this chemical you can afford to buy a scale. It should be a requirement if you're going to be working with potent chemicals at all.

And it's also good to note that you can't be sure that what you got from a vendor is the weight that they told you. You could have been given less, or you could have been given quite a bit more. I once got, from a reputable vendor, a bag that was supposed to be 250mg, that actually weighed 490. I had a scale so I was just happy about it because I got almost twice what I paid for, but if I had just assumed it was 250, even if I had used liquid measurement, I would have been taking almost twice the dosages I meant to. It is VERY common for vendors to send somewhat different amounts than what they meant to send. If they're reputable, it's usually more, but that can be dangerous if you don't have a scale.

Moral of the story: get a scale! They're cheap to get one that will suit your purposes! And if you really just won't, then at LEAST use liquid measurement, which is free.
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thanks for the heads up, worded it wrong, but i did actually mean weigh, its nice when someone can pass on there experience clearly and more importantly politly , take note gzero!
 
6-APDB is definetely BenzoFury..the new vendor is obviously trying to steal the name for a shitter cheaper chemical..
 
nuke said:
I'm not sure it's known how 5HT2B impacts psychedelic activity. All psychedelics also have affinity for that receptor very strongly too. 5HT2B activity assays are often used in testing putative psychedelics too.



Reference?
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Sorry my bad.. i'll delete my comment.. i thought i was in the 5-IAI thread :\
 
nuke said:
I'm not sure it's known how 5HT2B impacts psychedelic activity. All psychedelics also have affinity for that receptor very strongly too. 5HT2B activity assays are often used in testing putative psychedelics too.
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i rather ment mdma-like/entactogen/magical activity rather than psychedelic activity. maybe 5-HT2B activity is essential for good mdma-like effects.

i didn't know about psychedelics (except extremely promiscious ones like lsd) having appreciable affinities at 5-HT2B. i always thought that the DOX series acted almost exclusively on 5-HT2A/C?
would be interesting to see if there's any correlation between 5-HT2B activity and 'positive push' of psychedelics...
 
Skyline_GTR said:
Nope, he's the original "Benzo Fury" vendor who sent out samples to me and others.

Interesting development - I've spoken to him and after a bit of clarification it seems that "Benzo Fury" is in fact actually what could be called 6-APB, which on reflection makes sense given the compound name stated on that site all along has been 1-(benzofuran-6-yl)propan-2-amine not 6-(2-Aminopropyl)-2,3-dihydrobenzofuran, and indeed I remember that some BLers did highlight this in the original ADD thread on this but this seems to have been overlooked and we all ended up assuming the latter was the correct compound or that they were one and the same.

The difference however is that with 6-APB, the furan ring has a double bond between carbons 2 and 3 rather than a single bond with two hydrogens on each of those carbons as with 6-APDB.

Most likely some other vendors saw these threads on BL saying it was 6-(2-Aminopropyl)-2,3-dihydrobenzofuran and erroneously, albeit in good faith, are getting their suppliers in china or wherever to manufacture 6-APDB, but AFAIK noone has tried that, the people who got benzo fury samples along with me off this vendor all had 6-APB.
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So for the scientifically lacking, what does this mean? Would 6-APDB and 6-APB have noticeably different effects?
 
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Skyline_GTR said:
Nope, he's the original "Benzo Fury" vendor who sent out samples to me and others.

Interesting development - I've spoken to him and after a bit of clarification it seems that "Benzo Fury" is in fact actually what could be called 6-APB, which on reflection makes sense given the compound name stated on that site all along has been 1-(benzofuran-6-yl)propan-2-amine not 6-(2-Aminopropyl)-2,3-dihydrobenzofuran, and indeed I remember that some BLers did highlight this in the original ADD thread on this but this seems to have been overlooked and we all ended up assuming the latter was the correct compound or that they were one and the same.

The difference however is that with 6-APB, the furan ring has a double bond between carbons 2 and 3 rather than a single bond with two hydrogens on each of those carbons as with 6-APDB.

Most likely some other vendors saw these threads on BL saying it was 6-(2-Aminopropyl)-2,3-dihydrobenzofuran and erroneously, albeit in good faith, are getting their suppliers in china or wherever to manufacture 6-APDB, but AFAIK noone has tried that, the people who got benzo fury samples along with me off this vendor all had 6-APB.
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I know you go on the Drugs Forum, could you post this there? And then post your response to what terrazipin-whatshischops put about my post (summarising yours there).
 
probably. a planar, aromatic ring has quite different properties to a non-planar and non-aromatic one.

@skyline
i guess it's the vendor with *snip* with "6-APDB"and the iupac name of 6-APB next to it?
no wonder that people are confused if they can't get their chemistry right...
 
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Yeah and that's whats worrying me, there are more and more funny looking new compounds developed with minor variations and similar names and it sounds like they are being samples by people who often don't own a scale and/or don't understand chemistry at all.

Is it just me or is that like an escalation of chemicals being 'researched' while there is more and more confusion about chemical nomenclature, (sometimes idiotic) street names to attempt to support use for the less chemically-inclined... in other words I get how people can try stuff from TIHKAL and PIHKAL and have a little guideline with not too complex substitutions but this is turning into something else.
Very exotic substitutions and heterocyclic structures, confusing conformations...

I really want to urge people that want to experiment with research chemicals to start with the better explored and explained older compounds and work their way up to the almost unknown ones!

Sorry if the super new ones are the only ones easily available to you but I heard scoobysnacks saying he has a wife and kids and he doesn't want to leave them fatherless - well get your priorities straight then.
If you don't want to have major medical emergencies with compounds there is little info on, learn enough about chemistry and how to carefully titrate your doses up using a scale and so forth.
 
Scoobysnacks said:
mates 39th birthday on july 7 th , gonna book weekend off from work/home lol, ive done a lot of reading and think 6-APDB is the3 one im going for, found a vendor , bit expensive but if a gram will do three guys, all roughly same height , age and weight, 5,8" 37- 39 years and 10 and a half stone.

i dont drink alcohol but my mates definitly will, i will be smoking weed ( i do constantly as i need some habit):P,, we will be sitting in and listening to tunes , ya know catching up , not been home since xmas as wife doesnt let me go often haha, i was wondering in this situation is there another rc which would enhance the experience, ive not touched anything other than weed for years so my tolerance will be very low, what shd our doses be, we will all prefer to bomb and not snort, any help will be appreciated
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Look, I'd hate to see somebody ripped off and if you're getting this compound from a place which *snip*
Xorkoth said:
Moral of the story: get a scale! They're cheap to get one that will suit your purposes! And if you really just won't, then at LEAST use liquid measurement, which is free.
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Seconding this having received a '500mg' bag of 2c-e which was actually 1g.
 
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The other implication of this is that where there is some ambiguity and debate as to whether 6-APDB would be illegal or not in the UK, 6-APB is definitely legal as the double bond means there's no way that the furan ring can be counted as an alkoxy substituent.
 
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