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The 3-FMC/4-FMC (Flephedrone) Megathread

From what I gather fleph is very similar to meph only slightly speedier, less lovey and - importantly - less toxic. Sounds like the better option to me :)
 
So is this available at all in small quantities or is it only for the bulk buyers? (Not sourcing, just wondering if its worth a look for)
Sounds like its worth a line or 2 ;)
 
Mostly sold under various names (Charge, Toot and so forth) as a legal coke "substitute" - never seen it for sale as a pure chemical like meph but probably is somewhere.
 
I've had a fair bit of experience of Fleph. I've never seen it available in "pure" form, just as the legal highs that Shambles mentions. They are well overpriced compared to Meph (+£30), however i'm happy paying a premium of the stuff is less toxic than meph.

I've only ever snorted the stuff, and have had no problems snorting it at all......it's less heavy on your schnuz than coke: i never even get a blocked nostril or blood in my greenies! The drip aint too clever though.....:)
 
I'm mates with the owner of a local headshop & they mix/cut & sell their own version of "Charge" called "Blow". I've been asking his son what the active ingredient is: meph, fleph or m1 but he doesn't seem to know..... yet he continues to snort it regardless.
When I get talking to his dad I should be able to find out the active ingredient which he buys in bulk & if it IS fleph I will ask him for some pure.
 
According to some report i've seen (and which has been posted by nelios somwhere) the main ingredient of Charge is fleph.

Would be interested to hear what your mate says though.
 
Shambles said:
But then again, is Flephedrone actually a real chemical name or just a made up one? .
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Its a trivial name.
Its name origins from ephedrine --> methcathinone is called ephedrone (because its basicly ephedrine with a ketone instead of an alcohol group) --> p-methylmethcathinone was then named mephedrone (methyl-ephedrone) --> fluoromethcathinone is then called flephedrone (fluoro-ephedrone).

I stay away from anything there is monosubstituted on the 4-position
 
Twigs said:
Its a trivial name.
Its name origins from ephedrine --> methcathinone is called ephedrone (because its basicly ephedrine with a ketone instead of an alcohol group) --> p-methylmethcathinone was then named mephedrone (methyl-ephedrone) --> fluoromethcathinone is then called flephedrone (fluoro-ephedrone).
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Interesting! Thanx for explaining that. :)

Twigs said:
I stay away from anything there is monosubstituted on the 4-position
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For toxicity reasons? Can you list a few compounds that are monosubstituted on the 4-position?
 
According the report i had, charge has 3-fluromethcathinone in it.
 
DMT4Blood said:
For toxicity reasons? Can you list a few compounds that are monosubstituted on the 4-position?
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Yes. There are a few really bad ones like PM(M)A and 4-MTA. Anything that resembles those, which I think mephedrone and especially methedrone does, I try to stay away from.

But then again I tend to overindulge in methylone 8)
 
The Kid said:
According the report i had, charge has 3-fluromethcathinone in it.
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I thought you said it was 4-FMC. Damn, I love whatever Charge+ contains.

Hey Shambles, I tried 'Toot' and it was completely 4-MMC to me. Very poor in comparison to 'Charge+' in my eyes. My wife and I consumed about 4g of Mephedrone last weekend. We only re-dosed once each night too, but the second dose was always about 3/4 of the first about 2 1/2 hours afterwards and we've had no noticable side-effects. It's good, but fleph is definitely preferable.
 
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^ I misread the report.

You really reckon Toot is meph? That aint good news as i've been presuming its was fleph!
 
The Kid said:
^ I misread the report.

You really reckon Toot is meph? That aint good news as i've been presuming its was fleph!
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Awww, have you ordered some? Smells like it mate, and putting a line in my bath did NOTHING. Bombing what was left over (combined with just under a 1/4g of 'Aroma White Crystal' which did nothing in line form either) pretty much had the same effect as the pure Meph we've just had.
 
Done a fair bit of Toot over last few months. Got some Charge+, but not tried it yet.
 
Haha, I thought it was the other way round!!

Well, what are you waiting for? ;) Let me know what you think.
 
Just hoovered some toot, will switch to charge later and report back. :)
 
Il donate 20% to the cost of getting charge+ tested if nobody has a clue whats in it... Ive no idea how mcuh it cost so im estimating 100 notes lol

Im curious :)
 
Well after conducting a completely unscientific experiment, I deduce charge+ is weaker than Toot.

I base this on the fact that I did some Toot and was quite fucked. When I redosed on Charge+ with roughly the same size lines I didn't get as fucked as I was expecting!

So I went back on the Toot and got clattered again! :)

Got home expecting to sit on the sofa consuming some more, but my missus was still awake and "wanted to chat". Half an hour of nonesense later and now it aint worth it...boo...
 
Haha, you must be pretty high, not realizing P/E was volunteering to donate towards getting it tested for ingredients by a legal high chemical specialist and wondering the cost of this. :p P/E, 'The Kid' has already read the report of it's contents.

I/we honestly felt nothing from just a line of 'toot'. Bombing it was awesome, but I imagine bombing the same amount of Charge+ (as we did with 'toot') would not be as strong as a bomb of 'toot' in terms of visuals, bollocks talking and jaw tension however we've yet to try this. But, I much prefer 3-FMC's effects, even from a minimal amount of snorting fodder, Charge+ cut 1-to-1 with Raz, which more closely resembles the effects of cocaine than anything I've had. Toot resembled MDMA more than cocaine to me, as did Meph (which funnily resembled cocaine with the latter doses). We finished off the remaining gram of pure meph tonight and still wished it was a gram of frilly commercial unpure charge+, or even better... pure 3-FMC. A gram of it would have lasted all night and there'd be some left in the morning. The Meph was gone the moment we took it, and it's effects wore off hours ago, despite it being 6 days since we last had some.

Getting 'clattered' is the way forward. :) 2g of 'Ivory Wave' should be arriving tomorrow. Looking forward to trying this other research chemical mixture.
 
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