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The 3-FMC/4-FMC (Flephedrone) Megathread

Don't worry Shambles, I'm a semi-responsible guy. ;)

Hehe, I gotta try everything. My curiousity always wins. I ordered Ivory Wave on the basis that it is probably heavily cut, this allows me to have a 'taste' of what MDPV is like (and I'm sure the guys that have created it have tested it in some form, however unscientific a method they may have used). I'd also prefer not to guess at the supposed 2mg dose of pure MDPV without owning some very accurate digital scales.

Anyhoo, my wife and I had a wee line about an hour ago, and then another each about 30 mins later. Besides a brief period of Nausea which has now subsided (around 25 minutes after snorting the second) everything's cool, but I'm pretty sure having the same amount again would be a bad idea.

I believe this stuff could get someone into trouble.......

I remember back when I was new to legal highs. I'd only tried 'Neuro Blasts' at a festival, which did fuck all (other drugs in my system probably didn't help). I then assumed all legal/herbal highs were garbage, like many people do. So when I first got offered Salvia a year later, I didn't hold back and I got a pretty nasty shock. I can almost picture some guy, with an colossal ego, who loves his illegal counterparts being offered some of this and then proceeding to try and prove he's 'big' and ultimately be regretting it shortly afterwards.

So people, heed Shambles' and my advice. Approach with caution. Completely avoid if you have a tendency to get greedy and continually re-dose. To be honest it isn't bad, I quite like the effects, but I much prefer Charge+/3-FMC and when this is gone, we wont be buying it again.
 
The big problem I see with "Ivory Wave" and any other MDPV-based concoctions is you have no idea of how much peevee you are sniffing in that fat 50mg line of filler you hoof up - maybe you get 1mg, maybe you get 10mg. With PV that's not a gamble I'd be willing to take...

Pure PV powder is a bazillion times safer - even eyeballed - in my opinion. Wouldn't touch an MDPV-based mix with Spade's :|

And no, the people that make this stuff don't test it - you and the other punters are the test monkeys unfortunately :\
 
Kid knows this but he has big bucks and is willing to pay for the privilege of not having to deal with customs on his nazi island
 
30 a g isn't the end of the world. It's cheaper than coke, and a g last a lot longer so its actually a bargain! :)

And as Evad says, its a nazi island here!

Wish someone would find out though if Toot really was meph and not fleph. I think Charge was not as good/weaker than Toot but I was carrying out a pretty unscientific experiment trying them both out whilst pissed!
 
I get where you coming from Shambles. My only concern, aswell, is not knowing how much I'm taking. But the way I look at it, if I take a very very small amount and I'm ok then I know exactly how much of the stuff is safe and I can go from there. And there's customer reviews, (ok, I'm aware many of them could be fake) and experience reports. Companies don't want to kill their customers as it would kill their profits. Saying that, I reckon this 'Ivory Wave' stuff is more dangerous than anything I've ever had over the last 12 years, legal or illegal, which could be lethal for someone who's too careless and lacking researching abilities.

I agree Kid. £30 IS a bargain in my eyes (when comparing it to the real deal). Captain Codshit, I'd be buying the pure form of Charge+'s active ingredient if I could find it somewhere in quantities less than 1kg. I believe Toot is meph, which I've bought (and will only buy again) in it's pure form. I only bought Toot because I was thinking it was fleph.

Kid, what colour is the Toot powder you get?
 
xaenima said:
I get where you coming from Shambles. My only concern, aswell, is not knowing how much I'm taking. But the way I look at it, if I take a very very small amount and I'm ok then I know exactly how much of the stuff is safe and I can go from there. And there's customer reviews, (ok, I'm aware many of them could be fake) and experience reports. Companies don't want to kill their customers as it would kill their profits.
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Taking a small amount works okay with meph and M1, but not with stuff like MDPV - let's hope desoxy stays well clear of the legal high market 8(8o8(

When an active dose is measured in single-digit mgs you can't ever safely cut it with fuck knows what and sell it on at extortionate profits anything close to safely.

Customer reviews may or may not be true, as noted. They are rarely very extensive either way. Especially on the sites you buy them from.

The "companies" that sell such things are often fly-by-nights set up by some fella in a bedsit.
 
The Kid said:
Toot is white. Red packet.
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Red? Not a pinky/purpley colour with two snowflakes for the two o's? The Toot I had was not white, but more a tan colour much like the first batch of pure meph I had a few months back, which also gave off EXACTLY the same odour. It could be different stuff.

Shambles, I had 3 doses on Saturday, each 4-5 hours apart. It was ok, but directly after the 3rd dose, I was eating mixed kebab with chilli sauce and despite only having a tiny amount of chilli sauce, I got the effects of an overdose of chilli (lips, eyelids and stomach sort of cramping). Playing on my drums (exercising) got rid of it. 15 mins after stopping, those effects came back and I had to jump on the drums again. I don't know if it was the substance making me more sensitive to the sauce's capsaicinoids or what. Anyway, I was fine the next day/yesterday. I slept great. I had an even smaller line before nightshift last night and one at 2:00am (4 hours later). I feel good, and ready for another pleasant sleep. :)

You're right though. Total safety aint gonna happen. But the other extreme isn't either. I agree what was said in the MDPV megathread too which is that it's the 'subtle' lift that's appealing about it. Just like a 'nice cup of coffee' (as I like to call things like that). Great for sparking off music production and instrument practice sessions. 3-FMC still wins though. ;)

Ps. Kid, have you tried 'Blow'?
 
xaenima said:
Red? Not a pinky/purpley colour with two snowflakes for the two o's? The Toot I had was not white, but more a tan colour much like the first batch of pure meph I had a few months back, which also gave off EXACTLY the same odour. It could be different stuff.

Ps. Kid, have you tried 'Blow'?
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Aye, that's the same package but all the Toot i have had has been as white as snow.

Depends what you are calling blow. When i was a kid, people used to call weed blow....and i have tried weed! But then people started occasionally calling coke blow...and i have tried coke too! :)
 
Chilli sauce is unlikely to precipitate psychosis in your average kebab-muncher however many they munch, Xaenima.

MDPV ain't subtle. It's the single strongest stimulant I've ever put in my veins - and there have been many. Admittedly the widely-available stuff is not quite the same. The brand name versions even less so... and just what is it that makes up the 99% of filler in that stuff anyway?
 
I didn't say it was subtle. I said I believe it's the most dangerous substance I've ever had. I was talking about the effects from subtle doses. I'm not saying these effects are purely from the MDPV either, but probably mostly. There is a small possibility that these effects could be from whatever is in the filler, presumably vitamins/minerals, but I very much doubt it. I couldn't tell the difference between the tan colour 'toot' I had and the 99.8% meph I had. I come to the conclusion that these fillers are generally harmless, especially considering the amount of Charge myself and countless others have consumed. You stated in the other thread you'd done 200mg in 24 hours, (I think that's correct). There can't possibly be more than 1000mg of MDPV in 1000mg of heavily cut stuff can there? Probably nowhere near 200mg. And there's no way I'd even take a fifth of the gram we received in 24 hours. Every dose might be slightly different in MDPV gram content, but certainly not much in very small quantities. In a way, it's less safe ordering it pure because some people get carried away, don't they? We've also been buying from this company for a while.

And the chilli thing was just a little tale, which also made me wonder because I found it strange. It lasted for a good 3 hours!! I'm also not gonna develop psychosis either. I'll put money on it. I'm not buying this stuff again, or MDPV, so......

Hey Kid, I couldn't PM you because I'm no bluelighter. I meant 'blow' as in the brand name for another -ephedrone type mix. Just wondering if it's fleph or meph. And... no. Not from there.
 
I have indeed consumed more than 200mg of MDPV in 24 hours - far too often :| - but that's with considerable tolerance. My point - chilis aside - is simply that any proprietary blend is inherently more risky than a "pure" chemical. You have no way of knowing how subtle or not your doses were.

Also, 200mg over 24 hours is very different from 10mg in one go with PV.
 
Ok, no worries, you best get your post count up! :) I shall be ordering some more Toot shortly, so will let you know what it's like.
 
mugabe said:
The pure powder isnt available anywhere, charge and toot are the only places to really get flephedrone
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Xaeniamana reckons Toot is meph anyway. I have no way of knowing, just that Charge seemed a bit weaker than Toot, and Charge is defo fleph.

I'd quite like to know, as was quite happy knowing fleph was as safe as good old fashioned coke, pills and speed. ;)
 
Tried charge the other day. Its def not meph, much weaker and longer lasting stim without as much fiending, pretty sure its a cathinone, have tried Methcathinone, Mephedrone, Ethcathinone, Diethylcathinone, butlyone, ethylone, methylone.

Felt somewhere between ethcathinone and mephedrone, I would guess that it prob is flephedrone.
 
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