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Terrorist attack on London

All valid point Moebro :)

But when in Sydney I can't say I regularly notice policemen, or trained professionals around. I'm guessing though that with all the money Howard has spent, that it is a possibility that there are plain clothes professionals who are paid to just hang around places like the Opera House. Must be boring as fuck...
 
no, the money hes spent sounds like its gone on sending more troops to afghanistan . . . a wise budget decision /sarcasm . . .

and the reason why england has not made a big deal out of the bombings is because frankly it was pretty tame compared to the new york one . . . that and theyre not hysterical americans . . .
 
Originally posted by crow011
no, the money hes spent sounds like its gone on sending more troops to afghanistan . . . a wise budget decision /sarcasm . . .

and the reason why england has not made a big deal out of the bombings is because frankly it was pretty tame compared to the new york one . . . that and theyre not hysterical americans . . .

hey, you've gotta spend money to make money.


i wonder how many more members of the "coalition of the willing" will be required to suffer attacks on home soil in order to secure public support and justify the planned future "liberation" of the people of iran/syria/insert any muslim nation not connected with the terrorists, rich in resources and not currently giving the usa sweet oil deals etc?

id card anyone? they're "free".
 
Winston Churchill; "Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.''
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"We shall never surrender!"

O:We be British, We be stoic, We shall and we will go on unfazed, for we uncovered RAVE
 
Sam Ly, was my friend. I worked with him for about 1 1/2 years. I had lost contact with him but I spent time with him hanging out and drinking up until he decided to move to the UK.

He was a great guy! The first person to always lend a hand. He was a really likeable guy and well respected in the office. I remember so many times asking him for help and he was always the guy to lend a hand. We use to stay back at work trying to study and finish an assignment on the last night.

I've been sitting here for the past 4 hours still in a bit of shock. It all of a sudden seems so real all this violence and war. This is the first person i've known who has died in a terrorist attack... and apart from the saddness I think I feel hate. Not once had I ever hated these muslim people for what they have done.. I use to feel sorry and saddened by their plight... but i'm not sure anymore.

These people murdered my friend...

*sigh*
 
Originally posted by friskk
These people murdered my friend...

which people would that be? you don't know who is truly responsible for the attack yet you now harbour a growing hatred of arabs. mission accomplished.

sincere condolences for your loss.
 
Come on that's just petty. The man's grieving and you have to get all tetchy. Following your comment with sincere condolences is condescending and snide.

It's pretty well known that the bombers were young islamic men of Pakistani descent. The most unusualy thing is that they were born and raised in country. It shows the consecquences of looking upon extremism as a foreign threat and ignoring it domesticaly.

cuddlefish
 
Whilst yes, a certain level of irrationality can be expected if one is grieving a personal loss cuddlefish, I think what friskk post shows us is the deap-seated racism that lies beneath almost all of us.

When we are truly effected by grief, often i see the thin veneer of tolerance ripped off people to reveal that 'fucking kill them' attitude that most of us can empathise with.

But lets remember, muslim and muslim culture has lost a LOT with all these terroist attacks and have just as much a right to grieve as indivdiduals who have lost loved ones.

The misrepresentation of Islam by these extremists is exactly that, a misrepresentation. And whilst individuals (who should know better) continue to perpetuate all of this hate, the terroists aims are better completed.

As cheesy as it sounds, individuals do need to demonstrate rational thought and a sense of solidarity with muslims if we are ever to move on from the divisiveness that terroism creates.

Friskk, my sincerest condolences (non sarcastically), I saw this thread the other night and didn't want to post. From personal experience, anything anyone says always seems incredibly trite because the sad thing is that the only thing that does help is time and distance.

I just hope though that in whatever way you deal with this you realise that 99% of muslims hate terrorism as much as we do. I am sure even some of THEIR loved ones, friends, co-workers have been killed as well.

CS
 
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cuddlefish said:
Come on that's just petty. The man's grieving and you have to get all tetchy. Following your comment with sincere condolences is condescending and snide.

It's pretty well known that the bombers were young islamic men of Pakistani descent.

i realised my comments were going to come across like that after posting. i had two thoughts on my mind after reading the original post and i just had to address them both in my response, even if one would detract from the other in the eyes of many.

my sympathy was genuine even if it didn't come across as such. i just get quite annoyed knowing that innocent lives will continue to be lost thanks largely in part to the majority of people intrusting a handful of men to tell them the "truth" about the world today.
 
friskk said:
Sam Ly, was my friend. I worked with him for about 1 1/2 years. I had lost contact with him but I spent time with him hanging out and drinking up until he decided to move to the UK.

He was a great guy! The first person to always lend a hand. He was a really likeable guy and well respected in the office. I remember so many times asking him for help and he was always the guy to lend a hand. We use to stay back at work trying to study and finish an assignment on the last night.

I've been sitting here for the past 4 hours still in a bit of shock. It all of a sudden seems so real all this violence and war. This is the first person i've known who has died in a terrorist attack... and apart from the saddness I think I feel hate. Not once had I ever hated these muslim people for what they have done.. I use to feel sorry and saddened by their plight... but i'm not sure anymore.

These people murdered my friend...

*sigh*

Oh, friskk.... that is so sad. ((((((((((((( hugs ))))))))))))))))

this is what I mean about the true human element to all this. It is an utter tragedy. No-one can possibly condone this. I don't actually think the people in this thread are trying to do that, just to point to wider issues... still it jars me too to hear it now, at such a sensitive time.

I look at those faces in the paper and I think... they were just going about their lives. They may have been ignorant about the worlds' issues or they may have been crusaders... no matter... they were innocents, caught in the fucked up politics that makes people think that murder is a way to right wrongs, or to bring about global change (I mean - has it yet???).

I have shed tears over this, like I did during 9/11, and the Bali Bombings, and even the Tsunami, although that was an act of nature and not an error of human perspective. To not be in tune with this real human suffering is to not have a heart, I think. No matter what your opinion of the motive.
 
Everyone is entitled to their opinion... I guess, I myself never thought I would ever have these feelings. Yet, it's funny what you feel when something is taken away from you so violently.

On a side note...

Living in China i'm sort of caught up in the ever escalating problems between China and Japan over the conflicts in the war.

So many of the Chinese people I know will not buy Japanese products and hate the Japanese... yet they have never met any.

I was speaking to one guy who's great aunt was raped by a Japanese soldier. I was trying to tell him that the current Japanese were not like that and they felt sorry. They can't help it if their government is not apologising or admitting things...

It's funny I was on my high horse and I thought to myself hell.. I would have forgiven the Japanese... Yet the second it happens to me (my friend dying)... it's a whole different story. It has nothing to do with racism... It has everything to do with sorrow and dealing with pain.
 
pillsnapa said:
Its just the opposite for me living in Japan...people showing hatred towards Chinese...they've never met!!

It's so easy for everyone to jump up and down and say racism.. when we are all sitting in out comfy homes with our soft beds, our loved ones and our hot meals.

Sigh...
 
going on the information we currently have, why not just hate extremist islamic fundamentalists who condone terrorism instead of the muslim people as a whole?

it is about pain and sorrow though there is an underlying element of racism in your reaction even though you're as far as i know not racist. i guess when atrocities are carried out by offenders of one racial background or nation against another it is almost instinct to react in such a way as to stereotype thanks to xenophobia, something constantly reinforced by the mainstream press.

i'd feel hate if my friend died at the hands of these terrorists. going off what i presently know, in a similar scenario i hope such hate wouldn't be directed at a nationality or race, but rather a regime. after all it's not the people but the regime that is truly responsible for foreign and national political and/or ideological policies.

whether democracy or dictatorship, such policy is enforced on (and often embraced by) the majority of the people through either brute force, abuse of power, or deception, sometimes all three. the howard govt mislead the public into thinking children were thrown overboard, this resulted in a great deal of australians supporting our draconian immigration policies. plenty of australians didn't support the iraq war either yet howard committed regardless of public opinion.

like you mentioned, the japanese did do terrible things to the chinese in the war. i can understand to an extent that generation of chinese hating the japanese, but the facts are those young japanese soliders were only carrying out orders which were enforced by violence basically. they didn't necessarily want to do what they did but it was encouraged from above.

at the end of the day i really don't think those women living in extreme fundamentalist regions of pakistan, being killed or maimed by their own families to save face (a lot of the time just for the woman being seen in public with a man, even her brother) give two fucks about taking away our freedom, do you?

slm: my previous post came across cold, all loss of life is senseless and tragic, but then again maybe so is life itself. i have a friend who was in the area and stood a reasonable chance of being injured or killed had he not gone to work earlier. i'm not that bitter, i just don't like what these attacks are going to achieve, support for more wars and a reduction in our freedom, but not by the terrorists, we will give it up ourselves, in order to keep it. hmmm. odd. very nazi germany
 
i feel more upset about the governments that continue to put their countries (like ours) at risk of these terrorists with their totalitarianistic foreign policies of invasion and arrogance . . .

terrorists dont kill; governments who dodnt give a shit about their populace do . . .
 
terrorists dont kill? so when the next suicide bomber detonates some explosive device strapped to his chest on a crowded train station, it's "the governments" fault?

8(
 
^^^
yeah, pretty much, as stupid as it sounds.

at the end of the day, sure an individual has to take responsibility for his/her own actions, but as usual, the environmental factor has to be taken into account before sentencing.

it's far too easy for people to blame the movie, to blame the video game for the child killing the other child, but in such cases usually you will find the accused suffered a troubled life at home growing up. the video game is extremist islamic fundamentalism and the abusive parents that create such an environment that allows a child to be pushed over the edge by a video game is mr & mrs us foreign policy.

america for more than 50 years has fucked with other nations directly or indirectly through the cia all in the name of expanding the empire and securing the natural resources of these nations. basically money and power. they've used various excuses and tactics for justifying their behaviour such as the cold war, the war on communism, the drug war, and now the war on terror.

if your country was bombed by the us or it's allies for no justifiable reason and your whole family ended up dead as a result, you'd want nothing more than retribution. your mental state would be fragile enough to be taken in and brainwashed by these extremists, who by the way are more often than not working for the "enemy" helping set up false flag attacks. remember, osama bin laden was even trained by the cia and was/is an operative, it's fact not conspiracy theory.

if you take a baseball bat to a beehive you can't expect not to get stung.
 
keystroke said:
terrorists dont kill? so when the next suicide bomber detonates some explosive device strapped to his chest on a crowded train station, it's "the governments" fault?

8(

i dont mean to offend, but your short-sightedness is embarrassing . . .

why do you think these people are doing this? . . . why havent they been making serious terrorist attacks on the Western world forever? . . . why just now? . . .

i think its naive and insulting to assume that there isnt a cause-and-effect situation started by Western governments, making these poor suicide bombers brainwashed, killing themselves, and taking innocent civilians with them . . .

but, i guess if you keep voting for total fucking murdering cunts like Bush, Blair and Howard, thats what you have to expect . . .

id be approaching this situation as a much-needed wake-up call to voters and governments to stop using the world and its less fortunate population for our own dispicable and disgusting desires . . .
 
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