Terrorist attack on London

[Faustus]

I can see the future... Massive military budget increases, ID cards gets pushed through fast, Orwell rolls over in his grave

 

[keej]

The media is going to have fun with this for a couple of days id say.. however what strikes me as strange is that when the crisis in darfur (DARFUR???????) was going on we usually got a little tiny piece of footage of some dirty camp and starving babies. Over 100,000s of people were killed and terrorised. Maybe white blood is cleaner And it goes to show, we only care about what effects us emotionally.

Didn't the media give enormous coverage to Live 8, which was all about poverty and starvation in third world countries?

 

[partying_butterfly]

even more reason to get the fuck out of other peoples' countries . . .

$50 says Sydney is next in the next 12 months . . .

this is what you get when you constantly vote in right-wing fuck-ups around the globe . . .

Sad, but true, Im with you!!!!!

Its only a matter of time now before Aussie Land is Hit!!!!

Its going to happen, no doubt!

My moneys with YOU!

 

[MooShiE]

even more reason to get the fuck out of other peoples' countries . . .

$50 says Sydney is next in the next 12 months . . .

this is what you get when you constantly vote in right-wing fuck-ups around the globe . . .

Oh great... my soon to be new home town!!
*sighs*

 

[cuddlefish]

I'll take that that bet Crow. In fact I'll up it to $100 if you're interested. There are massive differences between Britain and Australia that make an effective attack very unlikely. I have little respect for these extremists, not only morally but intellectually.

This is a horrific act.

However in a critical sense, they fucked it up completely. The explosions were badly placed, poorly timed and ineffectively planned. The main target being the London underground, transports millions of people everyday, it's compressed humanity. An effective attack would have killed many thousands. I'm very thankful for the relative incompetancy of our foes.

London has seen terror before, just from different origin. Looks like we may see another iron curtain around London again, but rest assured it will certainly survive.

cuddlefish

 

[kryalkastleE]

so sad

i really hope this isnt a series of attacks

 

[sonicnature]

^ what do you mean? there has already been a series of attacks.. just spaced out over a few years. these guys arent intelligent, they are desperate. all it takes is one world super power (eg US) to drop a nuclear bomb on their 'safe havens' and there is no more Al-Qaeda network. They have no consideration for the lives of innocent people, they are using their religion as a means of displaying their brutality as people. They are not humans. They are creatures, who are writing their own deaths..

 

[phase_dancer]

all it takes is one world super power (eg US) to drop a nuclear bomb on their 'safe havens' and there is no more Al-Qaeda network

You forget that these networks are spread all over the world, and particularly through greater Europe. I saw a TV program in April (ABC I think) that covered some of the intelligence info Interpol and the CIA had on these groups. Among other things, it focused on moroccans leaving their home country for different parts of Europe. In looking to meet other Moroccans, these young men were often prayed upon by the recruiting groups who trained them up for such operations.

What was truly amazing and quite terrifying in itself, is that when a cell was uncovered, it was often found that the instigators or group leaders were completely unknown to authorities, and even worse, impossible to trace where they'd come from or their true identities. The conclusion was a bleak forecast that the west hasn't got a hope....

these guys arent intelligent, they are desperate

I think it's naive to think these groups aren't intelligent. They often have university education and better. Something which you also don't hear much about concerns the weapons/ bombs potentially at their disposal. Following the Bali bombing it was evident that chemicals other than nitrates, nitro compounds etc, can, and are being employed in making improvised explosives.

I won't go into what some of these things could be, but I will say that it would be practically impossible to scan for all the possible ingredients that could be used to make such a bomb. IMO the worst is indeed yet to come, and I don't believe for one moment Australia is any more protected or safe than England. In fact, because of the large unoccupied regions, it could prove to be far less safe. Just my opinion of course....

 

[ticktock]

This is just great. How and the heck am I suppose to get better hearing about all of this negative shit going on around me? What's the point in leaving your house, when quite possibly those Al Queda pricks are going to plant a bomb in a shopping center or in your car?
Mark my words, Australia's next. Either Melbourne or Sydney. You won't be catching me in Crown Casino or Chadstone shopping center that's for sure.

 

[phase_dancer]

Ahh come on, the poms took it with a pinch of salt. Can't have us fearless Aussies end up looking like pussies now can we?

Try not to get paranoid; it's not worth it. Stay aware, stay informed, but don't panic and lock yourself away. Anyways, who's to say staying home is the answer? There are vulnerable aspects to this behavior as well 8(

 

[CuPillar]

how can you stay aware... i can tell you... you arnt going to know its happening by seeing a guy wearing a backpack on the street...

 

[phase_dancer]

True, but you can be aware of the possibilities. That's about all a person can hope to do. Others might argue that ignorance is bliss, but for me, I'd rather have some idea of what could happen. I don't find that depressing or to cause a sense of hopelessness. In fact, I find that it's better to realise these things ahead of time rather than be utterly surprised if/when the moment arrives

Perhaps it is just paranoia under a different guise, or maybe it's just an ego thing, in as much as I can say "told you so.."


Which ever way you look at it, for me, the old movie 'Brazil' and it's Ministry of Information saying 'Suspicion Breeds Confidence' has a strange ring of truth about it.

 

[hhc_king]

This is just great. How and the heck am I suppose to get better hearing about all of this negative shit going on around me? What's the point in leaving your house, when quite possibly those Al Queda pricks are going to plant a bomb in a shopping center or in your car?
Mark my words, Australia's next. Either Melbourne or Sydney. You won't be catching me in Crown Casino or Chadstone shopping center that's for sure.

if your going to get blown up.....your going to get blown up....who cares it most likley was your time..and your place ....and if u do skip it somehow...you'll probally get hit by a bus...or choke on a chicken bone anyways

meh.....no use being all anti normal...and change your life style because someone blows up afew stations overseas

"if" they blow something up.....u probally won't be anywhere near it...they don't seen to have very good timming these terrorists

 

[Strawberry_lovemuffin]

New York... London... Australia has got to be next on the hit list.

What gets me most is the innocent faces in the paper... just normal people on their way to work, and their happy snapshots become their eulogies in such a public fashion....

endlesseulogy you're right, it's disturbing that we're more affected by white peoples' deaths than the atrocities going on every day in second world countries... but I think there's a time and place to bring that up and it's probably not right when everyone is in shock and grieving... have some respect.

 

[lostpunk5545]

I fairly doubt Australia will be the next to be attacked.

And if we are attacked we only have our government and the people who voted for it to blame.

Unless you live in sydney you don't have much to be afraid of anyways.

 

[endlesseulogy]

endlesseulogy you're right, it's disturbing that we're more affected by white peoples' deaths than the atrocities going on every day in second world countries... but I think there's a time and place to bring that up and it's probably not right when everyone is in shock and grieving... have some respect.

See, thats why nothing ever changes... Change is driven by emotion and actually this is brought about by a tradegy.. bringing things up later when nobody cares anymore is useless to facilitate change. Facts are facts, and if it is the truth, the truth should be said, anytime, anywhere...

 

[Strawberry_lovemuffin]

^ do you have a particular reason to doubt we're next on the list? [edit:meant for lostpunk]

I think it's perfectly logical. Who swung into action to help America in Iraq, and every other time they've needed aid? Australia and England. If there is a larger white-nation target I'd be interested to know what it is.

I too, think they'd probably attack Sydney but that not a very nice attitude to take... feeling nice and snug in other parts of the country while bluelighters we relate to every day, our brothers and sisters, are in the firing line?

I don't mean to be dramatic - I think if it happens, it happens - and Aussies will probably handle it as pragmatically and non-dramatically as our pommie cousins have. But it's pretty naiive to think we're not on their radar.

endlesseulogy: I never debated that it was a topic that needs to be brought to the worlds' attention. I sponsored an African child for 10 years through highschool and uni, and I support every and *any* initiative to stop the ridiculous suffering over there. But I stilll think it is in poor taste to bring it up without even offering a word of condolence to the people who've lost lives in this tragedy. I'm not saying delay your point forever; just allow a respectful breathing space is all. It doesn't seem very empathetic to me.

 

[lostpunk5545]

I agree, there is a possibility that Australia could be attacked. And that risk gets greater everytime Downer, Howard and their associated cronies open their fat fucking mouths and more venomous bile pours out.

But I'm not going to worry about it. There's nothing I can do about the problem besides voting against liberal the next time I get the chance, and hopefully enough people do the same, and we have some rational leaders elected. If it happens, it will be tragic, but I'm not going to spend every waking moment living in fear of something that will probably not happen.

If I got worked up in a state about every propagandist, fear-invoking, news story I'd never leave the house.

And the best time to talk about the politics behind an event is soon after it, before the corporate media has had time to work everyone up into a self-righteous, hateful, frenzy.

 

[Wacky]

This is really sad,what has happened (Along of course,with deaths of many other innocent people around the world eg: Us killing innocent people of Iraq).

It's been pretty clear to me since this 'war on terror' started, and this attack should make it clearer to others who don't see it :-


We have to look at,why do these people hate us so much?

Look at what causes these people to destroy innocent peoples lives and in many causes there own.The cause has to be looked at.For our own sake,if NOT for any other reason.

Violence breeds more violence.


The Iraq war has helped to make things worse .

And if we are attacked we only have our government and the people who voted for it to blame.

I totally agree with this.

The way this government has gone about this issue(Along with many others.............),is just another reason why I didn't vote for them.


This 'war on terror' is really going well 8)

 

[Strawberry_lovemuffin]

And the best time to talk about the politics behind an event is soon after it, before the corporate media has had time to work everyone up into a self-righteous, hateful, frenzy.

Fair enough, but I don't see anyone getting self-righteous or hateful at the moment. People are suffering, and in shock. If you both can't see that then you lack something that I can't convey to you.

All I'm asking for from those of you who would like to get on your soapboxes is simply consider, first, and respectfully acknowlege, that innocent commuters lost their lives two days ago.

Then: by all means, bring the issue into a wider forum. I haven't seen that compassion yet with either you or EE (Wacky, you're excepted, thankyou for your opening statement).