Harm Reduction Tapering Plan Mega thread - community project

[lozgod]

I just re-read your thread. You've been on for 5 and a half months. You are definitely dependant on them by now. I've tried and failed a bunch of times doing short term bupe tapers. I always felt withdrawal free then like 4 or 5 days later the withdrawals came out of nowhere and were horrible. That was my experience. I've heard of it working but never first hand experience.

 

[BearLeeLive]

with all respect to those that want to help with no first hand experiance, please dont post what you have read, seen,or heard
not trying to be a dick but read what my last postaid about my exp. with tapering

 

[lozgod]

with all respect to those that want to help with no first hand experiance, please dont post what you have read, seen,or heard
not trying to be a dick but read what my last postaid about my exp. with tapering

No offense taken and I respect that. Like I said in my previous post. I tried several times. 5 day tapers, 3 day, 10 day and the withdrawals always came back after about 4 or 5 days. I hope someone does post first hand experience of it working because I need to get off too. Don't know if I want to but I need to.

 

[BearLeeLive]

I just re-read your thread. You've been on for 5 and a half months. You are definitely dependant on them by now. I've tried and failed a bunch of times doing short term bupe tapers. I always felt withdrawal free then like 4 or 5 days later the withdrawals came out of nowhere and were horrible. That was my experience. I've heard of it working but never first hand experience.

about a mounth and a half. my mom was prescibed dillies and temtation is a mother fucker8)

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

with all respect to those that want to help with no first hand experiance, please dont post what you have read, seen,or heard
not trying to be a dick but read what my last postaid about my exp. with tapering

ive been on subs 3 years and HAVE kicked before but decided i was more comfortable on them so im still on them (kicked before a bid) (but when i got out i got back on em)

 

[BearLeeLive]

your first step would be switching from IVing 8-10mg/day to sublingual an 8mg tablet it doesn't matter for the first week or so how you do it, could be 4mg twice daily or 2mg 4x daily its up to you..
Then the taper would be to drop down as low as you can comfortably.
So for example say you were able to drop to 4mg/day. (which you should be able to)
After a week on that drop to 2mg sublingual a day (this is where it might start to get difficult and you might just wanna cold turkey)or continue...
After a week on that just crush up 2mg and snort 1mg/day in 2- .5mg lines one in the late morning(hold off as long as you can) and one before bed (to prevent midnight breakdancing/sheet kicking, you know what i mean)
So now you're on 1mg daily, now you need to move to .5mg/day in one dose (you pick either in the morning or before bed) w/d's might start kicking in now and if they do, go with them, drop the subs and just w/d. Ride it out, get some Immodium, gatorade, ginger ale, hot showers/baths, clonidine if you can get it and any benzos you can try to get klonopin or valium they are longer lasting compared to xanax which will give you releif for a couple hours instead of half the day with the k-pins/valium.. (they help A LOT just don't get hooked on those, only use when desperate and not longer than 3 weeks(which is longer than how long w/ds last they will be most severe the first week and slowly get better the following week and then there are PAWS which is why i said w/d's will last two weeks but use benzos for 3(to help with PAWS)))
IF you were able to get down to .5 mg/day w/o w/d's than continue to .25mg and so on until w/ds do start.

Thats my advice.. hope you do OK

i have all the meds(clonidine,k-pins,vallys anr i can get soma from my rucca, she also has xanax and methadone if ness-isary)
her name is ness ^^

 

[ejnjgrl822]

are you saying that being on maintanence somehow caused yor gf to go straight back to shooting heroin when she got off of it?

because thats rediculous. The longer your on maintanence the more likely you are to stay clean when you get off. Thats the whole point....your on it for a long time to give you as much time as you need to re-adjust to normal sober living so that you wont feel the need to use when you get off, or so that you wont be in that drug addict mind set when you stop using suboxone.

I mean she's a BAD case but because she always had it when she tried getting off maintenance she couldn't and went right back to d. I'm the type of person who needs to get on it and off it because I just know myself and it'd be bad news. I feel I'd be too tempted to use and all I want is this stuff gone from my life!

 

[epiks]

I recommend that you follow a tapering regimen that is similar to this......

2 mg's(suboxone)- day 1
2 mg'-day 2
1.5 mg's- day 3
1.5 mg's- day 4
1 mg- day 5
1 mg- day 6
.75 mg's- day 7
.75 mg's- day 8
.5 mg's- day 9
.5 mg's- day 10
.25 mg's- day 11
.25 mg's- day 12
.

This is a GREAT chart! People say they need 16mg of bupe but I got by on 2mg/day. I had a very very similar habit 0.5 if I shot up once or 1.0 if i shop up twice that day. Thats awesome that you are quitting that shit. I wish you the best of luck!

 

[BearLeeLive]

ive been on subs 3 years and HAVE kicked before but decided i was more comfortable on them so im still on them (kicked before a bid) (but when i got out i got back on em)

what made u want to get bac on them VS 'done

 

[daysonatrain]

ok dude, you need to stop shooting subs, this is the first thing. take what your shooting daily in one dose sublingually daily. subs have a 36 hour half life so you will not feel that much different. Personally i found subs were the easiest thing to get off of compared to any other opiate, i cant really understand your posts exactly but it sounds like you want to switch from subs to methadone. This is a bad idea imo. Methadone has a worse withdrawal htan heroin, or it did for me anyway. my advice is to get to a normal sublingual dose and slowly taper from there. I have also found the withdrawal from 2 to 0mgs is much worse than 16 to 2mgs. But as far as opiates go it is the easiest to get off of, if your ready to quit

good luck.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

what made u want to get bac on them VS 'done

i was on done b4 but my family said i was a complete asshole while i was on it and they would disown me if i went back on it so subs were my only choice


EDIT: and i agree with the poster above saying methadone w/d's are worse than H OR oxy w/d's.

 

[lozgod]

Again I can't help but notice sub tapers turn to sub maintanance. People say yeah this was my protocol and months later I am all the way down to .25 or whatever. From experience and reading other's experience I don't see suboxone as being a taper drug, it just becomes a replacement that don't get you hi. People have great intentions and plans (mostly directed for other people) but where is the person that can say I DID IT. I DID THIS FOR X AMOUNT OF DAYS AND STOPPED THE SUBS AND REMAINED OPIATE FREE.

That is what a true taper should really be about. I've tapered plenty of times and lasted 4 or 5 days and when the long half life wore off I was in full blown withdrawal again, but it seemed worse than CT withdrawal from oxy and given the choice would just go through the week of hell and leave the sub out of the equation. It sucks, I promise you that but subs will not help you escape withdrawal. It is inevitable. The brain has to begin the process of naturally reporducing endorphins again and up regulation of your receptors. Suboxone is an opiate and prevents that process. That whole partial agonist shit is useless as far as the brain repairing itsself, it is just usefull in the sense it creates a ceiling dosage making overdose very difficult.

 

[SubDude]

I agree that subs is not a good/easy drug to kick... even with a good taper plan. I also get much better feedback from my family on subs vs methadone. However, I didn't have cravings for other opiates on MMT... just benzos. If your in it for long haul and geo/money isn't an issue... I'd recommend methadone. If you plan to kick with good taper plan, neither will be very smooth when you finally jump.

 

[BearLeeLive]

i agree. i no im cuting off my nose to spite my face, but like u said,on mmt i dont crave the needle nore the dope, just benzos

 

[jake99]

Taking methadone 5 days to get clean

I have been trying a reallllllllllly long time to get off dope............subs didnt work for me and i cant get on a meth clinic because im on klonopin...............anyway i managed to find about 120 mg methadone , it just fell out of the sky , so my plan is break it up into about 5 doses,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and STOP . now ive tried before and still was sick after wards but im wondering if maybe now that my H habit is smaller it could work ?????????????? i used to do about 5-10 bags a day but ive gotten down to where i can make it thru a day with 3-4 bags...................any advice is appreciated. I would get on the clinic but they wont take me with benzos in my system and ive been on k pins a few months now already so it would take a long time to piss clean for it. I really dont wanna live a life hooked on H anymore, i cant afford it financially , and its hurting me as far as job/school/family, plus fact that ive already got a felony record and did prison time due to addiction (been out 2 years , off parole , but scared if i dont get clean soon trouble will be coming again )
i post in Dark Side and get a lot of ppl puttin me down because i cant seem to ever get past the sickness and always am relapsing. They kind of talk to me same way as N>A people do . like im a piece of crap because i cant get clean ............doesnt really help getting kicked when your down

 

[dylNjay]

Methadone Detox

Hey man. Congrats on the decision to stop. Methadone is a great tool and it is what me and my partner have chosen to use on many times. 5 days is a great decision, because the less amount of days the better. I have included a link to a story which will go in detail for you, but you have just the amount needed for 5 days. You can work your schedule but I personally would recommend 6 days as follows (120mg):
Day Dose
1 35
2 30
3 25
4 15
5 10
6 5

Here is the link:
http://www.heroinhelper.com/sick/methadone_detox_part_2.shtml

Good luck and let me know if you have any questions.

-j

 

[MorphFiend]

Tapering is a great way to handle it, be disciplined and stick to your plan, no cheating!

I wish you the best of luck ditching the dope man. Have a strong will and stay focused.

It IS possible.

 

[Depressicaa]

^ He did say subs didn't work for him.

Ask yourself why you're relapsing. Break the cycle somehow, and you WILL come clean.

I hope methadone works for you.

 

[30roxi30]

i know when i went to detox a few times the always gave me 15mg methadone for 2 days then 10mg for 2 days and 5mg for 2 days ... and i was still pretty sick and used everytime i got out ..

i would say start at 25mg and see if that holds you and try tapering 5 mg every few days

 

[30roxi30]

wasnt thinking just relized you only have 120 mg so i would try

1) 25mg take for 2 days to get it in your system
2) 25mg
3) 20mg
4) 15mg
5) 15mg
6) 10mg
7) 5mg
8.) 5mg