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Synthetic Cannabinoids Thread

do australias new laws effect the new am rcs like 1220 2233 and 1248?
 
[B][NZ] Ministry ignored advice on synthetic cannabis ban[/B]

[NZ] Ministry ignored advice on synthetic cannabis ban

The Ministry of Health ignored advice from police and Customs that legislation to ban synthetic cannabis products was incomplete and could lead to the re-emergence of legal highs.

Yesterday it was revealed that a new legal version of Amsterdam Cafe, a synthetic cannabis product, went on sale on Saturday.

Associate Health Minister Peter Dunne said yesterday that three new synthetic cannabinoid substances - the chemicals used to produce products like Kronic - had been banned.

Packages of all three were intercepted at the border by Customs. One of them was destined for Enjoi Products, the manufacturer of Amsterdam Cafe.

Mr Dunne said Ministry of Health officials had made contact with Enjoi Products to determine if the intercepted cannabinoids were used in the new version of Amsterdam Cafe.

If it was, the product could be off shelves by next week, otherwise tests would be carried out to determine its contents.


Correspondence released to the Herald under the Official Information Act reveals police and Customs warned ministry policy-makers that proposed bans on "legal highs" needed strengthening.

In a letter dated July 29, Police Minister Judith Collins urged Mr Dunne to note the police's desire that analogues of banned cannabinoids be included in the ban.

Mr Dunne listed 16 synthetic cannabinoids as the equivalent of Class C1 drugs for a 12-month period at the beginning of August.

All 43 synthetic cannabis products on the market at the time were removed from shelves.

But manufacturers warned new products would quickly emerge because there were thousands of different synthetic cannabinoids.

To try to combat this, Customs and police wanted all substances e chemically similar to the banned cannabinoids - known as analogues - to be treated in the same manner.

Custom's border protection and enforcement official David Negri wrote to the ministry on July 29 asking for analogue provisions to be included in legislation.

Mr Negri said that if Mr Dunne continually banned new products, "there may be a perception that the new regime is ineffective and lacks credibility".

He said Customs believed an analogue provision could deter manufacturers from importing and marketing new substances to "test" the regime.

However, ministry staff rejected including analogues because of the difficulty and length of time the Government would face in order to prove a substance was an analogue.

Mr Dunne said yesterday the fact he was alerted to Amsterdam Cafe by the Herald was not an indication detection of new products was failing.

"We're not always going to get everything. When we do hear, as in this instance [the Herald] brings it to our attention, we'll act very quickly."

By Nicholas Jones | Email Nicholas​

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[NZ] Synthetic cannabis back on the market

[NZ] Synthetic cannabis back on the market

A synthetic cannabis product is back on the market - and others are on the way - less than three months after the so-called "legal highs" were banned.

Auckland-based Enjoi Products released a repackaged and modified version of its Amsterdam Cafe synthetic cannabis product to convenience stores across Auckland on Saturday.

The Long Island Tea blend has been slightly chemically altered from the company's former Havana Special product, which was affected by the Government ban that came into force in August.

But the new product, which sells for $20, has "quite a similar effect" to the old one, Enjoi Products managing director Zaid Muso said.

"There's nothing to really hide here, it is a synthetic cannabinoid."

Amsterdam Cafe brand was able to skirt around the ban by slightly altering its packaging and one of the chemicals used in the blend, Mr Muso said.

Amsterdam Cafe had been distributed only to retailers who Enjoi Products deemed "responsible" and the company had been careful not to advertise it, Mr Muso said.


"We're trying to keep it discreet as we can - we've only given it to responsible retailers and haven't used posters or anything like that. All in the effort that kids don't get their hands on it."

Other companies were also gearing up to re-release modified synthetic cannabis products, Mr Muso said.

Matt Bowden, who imported the chemicals used to make Kronic, said the return of synthetic cannabis products was evidence that "prohibition doesn't work".

Instead of banning the products, Mr Bowden said, the Government needed to regulate them.

In July, the Government passed the Misuse of Drugs Amendment Bill after a series of articles in the Herald about the dangers of the product Kronic which was being sold in dairies.

The ban is an interim measure while the Government works on an overhaul of the Misuse of Drugs Act. Manufacturers will ultimately have to prove the safety of their products before they can be sold.

By Amelia Wade | Email Amelia​

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[NZ] $5000 to test synthetic drugs worth it: Dunne

[NZ] $5000 to test synthetic drugs worth it: Dunne

The Government pays about $5000 to test each product it suspects may be synthetic cannabis - a cost Associate Health Minister Peter Dunne says it is "prepared to bear".

"We currently have the Temporary Drug Class Notices regime which is focused on delivering safety first for young New Zealanders. This regime is specifically temporary."

Next year, a permanent law will be introduced which will require manufacturers to prove the safety of their products and pay for associated expenses.

On Saturday Enjoi Products released a repackaged and modified version of its Amsterdam Cafe synthetic cannabis to convenience stores across Auckland.

Managing director Zaid Musa said other firms were gearing up to re-release modified synthetic cannabis products. And the Herald understands at least one synthetic cannabis product, labelled "herbal tea", has been sold since the day after the bans in August.

Mr Dunne said officials checked out such "rumours" and acted on them if they were substantiated.


"But the other [possibility] is we will find stuff that doesn't come within the ambit of what we're looking at."

The minister acknowledged it was possible at least one synthetic cannabis product would always be on sale until the Misuse of Drugs Act was overhauled next year.

Sixteen synthetic cannabinoids - the chemicals used in synthetic cannabis - were listed as the equivalent of Class C1 drugs at the beginning of August.

Mr Dunne said this week that three new synthetic cannabinoids had been banned. Packages of all three were found by Customs, and one was destined for Enjoi Products.

Yesterday, Ministry of Health officials spoke to Mr Musa and confirmed that Amsterdam Cafe contained a banned cannabinoid. Mr Musa said Amsterdam Cafe was being recalled and would hopefully be off shelves by Wednesday.​

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i'll stop if you really wont me to. i thought there seemed to be a very big trend from nz to aus in terms of synthetic cannabis and trends/product releases. I can stop posting if i get a few more comments ok.
 
Don't stop posting poledriver, your efforts are most appreciated here. I for one am enjoying reading about the developments in the NZ legal high industry.
 
Yeah its interesting to see how often the kiwis are more level headed in their approach to the legal high business than the Australian authorities.
 
I had to remove a few posts that refer to a specific vendor. Belarki said on the previous page people could be infracted for doing so. As the person to initially mention this has only two posts I am instead going to reiterate the warning in this thread.

Also, this is a forum for Asia, Australia and New Zealand as far as I have always thought. Poledriver does an excellent job with the articles they post and while I have questioned the merit of news being posted in regional discussion I think in regards to new laws for synthetic cannabanoids is probably a perfect example where it has a HR purpose to have it concentrated by region. Keep on posting if you want mate, I for one have enjoyed reading some of those articles.
 
Hi everyone

I am a freelance journalist and I am doing a story on legal drugs here in Australia with focus on synthetic cannabis (and especially Kronic and the new Kronic Black Label)

I am looking for someone who would be interested in doing an interview about their experiences with using synthetic cannabis. Both good and bad. It won't be too long and it will just be about how you first heard about the drug, how often you have tried it, what effect it has and so forth.

I am not out to demonize neither the person who has taken the drug nor the drug itself. I simply want to find out how it works and what it does to the user. My article itself will be more about how the new ban on synthetic cannabis isn't working properly.

I live at the Gold Coast so it would be the easiest if the interview-person is someone living there or close nearby (Brisbane).

Hope someone can help me

Thank you for your time

Andreas Jensen
 
^ lol....

Here's mine - I tried kronic (PE) a few times and found it nothing like real pot, i actually ended up throwing it away. So i thought it was bad personally.

The brand name blends usually are fairly weak. A custom made Cannabinoid mix on the other hand can be 100 times better than the best Cannabis if it is made potent enough.


It is not legal anymore. You do realise this?

That is only true if the product contains scheduled Cannabinoids. There are allegedly several new products with unscheduled ingredients currently being sold. Whether or not this practice is actually being carried out remains to be seen.
 
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