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I knew you would be able to. I'll take your word for it (but will check it out since you did bother), but in my experience with you, you have not, and I have seen similar with others. Here, you did, to a degree. But still, you fail to see how simply it occurred- the process, or acknowledge. You can say we're both right and both wrong, but what was more relevant to what I said? And was your bringing 929 and saying I was embellishing really what you were hoping for? I am more right, given by how it was presented, and as it started... right. I stand by that. What can be seen is 1123. At this post, it was 23:00 my time- a one who 23 is "relevant" to, and it doesn't take a lot of creativity to see it.

I didn't intend to insult. But you were saying I was embellishing, making things up, and you were being insulting, first. I don't treat that as an excuse, but for sake of any discussion into that. It's frustrating.

I cuss because I was frustrated. And to spike things. My better half wants me to find a better way to say things, though, more civil. I am civil most of the time. You began this as non-civil... Non-open ("embellish, fabricating", when I was clearly not, and it's insulting how you said it). I'm not sure what you expect. Are you just testing me or something? Maybe I should always treat things that way, anyways.

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Chose me

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I just checked the OkCupid app on my phone, and it said someone chose me. I noticed she visited me at 11:23 P.M.

I don't get chosen often. Maybe once every few months.

This one seems cute.

But so does one- another visitor, near her in time, who has 9299 in her name, visiting at 7:28.
 
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give us some numbers and what they mean to you and where you see them or where i would see them and we can have a solid discussion on this shit.

some numbers do have significance in practical terms but not symbolically. The number 1.61803398875 is represented in nature all over the place. We also have 2.71828183, 3.14159..., and too many others to list. Yet you are stuck on these simple numbers that don't represent relationships or patterns we find in the world/universe.

2 pi radians = 180 degrees. It represents a half of a circle or the half cycle of a sine wave. So in this case 2 pi or ~2(3.14159) has meaning to me, i know what it looks like, i can draw a picture of it for you. Create a signal for a sine wave with a frequency of 440Hz and you will hear the note A. I can describe a sine wave as a creamy sound. It doesn't mean anything in terms of symbolism though. If i see 4(3.14159) i either think of a circle or a sine wave. Since i like music, and synthesizers i use sine waves and other waves all the time. So in essence i'm consciously using something synthetically created to make music which has meaning but the meaning is really just to me, and is not universal. Therefor, not objective, merely subjective.

anyway, what numbers mean what to you? how do you know this to be true for other people? you claim to have evidence, so clearly present it in a logical manner in as few words as possible an argument that proves the significance of whatever number you want. Like, If i see the number 23 then i shit myself. I saw the number 23, Therefor i shit myself. I will then analyze your post as well others and just maybe we can get somewhere.

if someone hears a minor chord like Am and is like oh that is a sad sound, is it really a sad sound or is it just because we associate it with a sad sound? Major chords sound bright and happy and other dissonant chords sound confused, complex, mysterious. Is this universal though? If sounds have objective properties to them like bright, happy or sad, then numbers can possibly have meaning as well. 23 may be the evil number like the tritone is an evil sound in music lol. But it's not objective.

i think that's where you need to argue, either through analogy or by looking into the patterns that underlie reality and the universe. 23 doesn't represent anything other than what you assign to it yourself. I thought like you at one point and ended up in psychosis trying to figure out all the patterns and over analyzing things, stretching logic and doing whatever to make reality correspond to my beliefs. In the end though, none of it made sense.

and ffs you're only using a total of 10 numbers, of course you're going to see them everywhere because there are only 10 numbers in the system you are using. Again if you just see numbers in binary, you are going to see 10 and 01 everywhere! I made this post at 000111011 and you saw it at 01101010, rearrange those and we both saw it at the same time and it's now mystical but really it's not because there are only 2 numbers and we can't just rearrange them to fit. Also each number is distinct from another number. 123 is 123 and 123 only. it cannot be rearranged or broken down without losing it's sense/reference. 23232323 is not in any way related to 23. 32 is not 23 either, nor is 158, they are all distinct numbers representing different values entirely. It's the same as saying god = dog.
 
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^ indeed. i've tried to make the same point but i feel what23 is not really listening to me or even open to the the idea that his opinion of what's happening with these numbers is not the only possibility.

you make a great point about the number of digits at play - with only 10 possible digits, it's possible to use the most tenuous evidence to suggest that disparate events are somehow related.

i posted this in earlier in the thread and what23 either chose to ignore it or did not see it. i think it distills this aspect of the discussion quite succinctly: "give me any number between 1 and 1,000,000 and i'll find a way to relate it to 23 somehow. what does that prove?"
Also each number is distinct from another number. 123 is 123 and 123 only. it cannot be rearranged or broken down without losing it's sense/reference. 23232323 is not in any way related to 23. 32 is not 23 either, nor is 158, they are all distinct numbers representing different values entirely.
indeed.
I am more right...
being right - and being told you are right - is obviously important to you. not a little ironic...

:)

alasdair
 
but there are more than 10 possibilities. there are thousands/millions/billions of possible words/wordstrings and countless variations that they can be arranged to have meaning. Not just 26 from the 26 (letters).

I don't and nobody I know uses binary in daily life, or on receipts, or on paychecks, Etc. If I knew binary, maybe something might come out to me.

Find me another number and play with it just like I do 23. Nobody has ever provided a genuine example. Not that it would be against it, but people always claim it and I have yet to see anything backing it up, as involved.

Repost/quote, coming directly from talking about 1123:

I just checked the OkCupid app on my phone, and it said someone chose me. I noticed she visited me at 11:23 P.M.

I don't get chosen often. Maybe once every few months.

This one seems cute.

But so does one- another visitor, near her in time, who has 9299 in her name, visiting at 7:28.


Let's say it is nothing...

Then why do some people find it as something? Are they all just wrong? The ones I'm talking about, are like, movie directors/creators, certain artists, writers... Why is it a common number that they use?

being right - and being told you are right - is obviously important to you. not a little ironic...

:)

alasdair

I like acknowledgement sometimes. Especially when the conversation started with someone telling me I was wrong, and trying to make me look bad, on a public forum, with such kind words as calling me an embellisher, you know?
 
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Find me another number and play with it just like I do 23. Nobody has ever provided a genuine example.
the number 24 is mystical to me. your last post was at 12:48. 12 is half of 24 where 48 is twice 24. spooky...

you edited your last post at 13:00 hours. note, bluelight does not say 1:00pm because they use the 24 hour clock. spooky...

how many people are currently active on bluelight? 120 members and 2475 guests. spooky...

120 members you say? 120 is 5 times 24. spooky...

guess how many threads there are in p&s now? 1124. spooky...

i'm a big fan of mr. show. i was watching new girl last night and saw mr. show cast member mary lynn rajskub. you know what she's appearing in next? new series of 24. spooky...

i just checked my email. i have 24 email messages in my inbox right now. spooky...

somebody i know just got super lucky and is receiving an $11,000 tax refund this year. binary 11000 in decimal is 24. spooky...

the book before the book before the book before the last book i read was 'the tesseract' . how many two dimensional faces does a tesseract have? 24. spooky...

i've read about people saying the number 23 is significant. yeah? well add 1 to 23 and you know what you get? 24.

what time was this post posted? 13:24. spooky...

etc.

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alasdair
 
Cool.

Not spooky. Thanks for finally doing it. You're the first to actually do something. I wasn't expecting that. Not that I really feel much differently, but I am impressed (with some), nonetheless.
 
when you have a shoehorn and your main goal is to be right, you can make almost anything fit...

q.e.d.

the simple fact is that you can do this with any number given a few minutes. the lower the number, the easier it is.

from here, if you can do it with any number, then the fact that you can do it with 23 makes it look mundane pretty quickly and suggests that it's far more likely that confirmation bias, etc. accounts for what you're seeing rather than some mystical connection...

alasdair
 
Sometimes yes, but I usually know when that is going on. But some things just don't happen that often, in the first place, like pretty girls (not that they aren't around, but "for me"), and relationships, and they all seem to have it.

Why does Hollywood use it? What significance is it to them? I wonder. Why did Tool end their last album with a song called "Twenty Three", and at 203 seconds in (3:23 minutes) it only then begins to have speech, which goes on to say, "The System..."?


And what about still the fact for me that going by the roundness of 0, the numbers that follow this roundness as I see them now are 6, 8, and 9. The "Cherries" I guess, maybe? Eh... Maybe. But anyways, they sum to 23. My friend.. My only regular friend that I have had contact with recently (years), his license plate on his vehicle has the numbers and only the numbers 6, 8, and 9, each one time. Also the letters sum to 23. His last name starts with Pig, which has a sum of 23 (If we say P=7). The rest is just "what a man is" (his last name), so as not to be too obvious and say his name. In his house, which is unfinished, there's a piece of board down as flooring in the front entrance on the inside which has a string of numbers/letters it seems, from memory, then a space, and then 23. The day I noticed that, we went to a concert five hours away, and he gave me a ticket for seat J AA 23.
 
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His last name starts with Pig, which has a sum of 23 (If we say P=7).
in what system does p=7? it's neither the 7th (nor the 7th last) letter of the alphabet.

if p=7, what are i and g? why?

i'm inclined to think that hollywood's obsession with the number 23 is robert anton wilson's fault...

alasdair
 
^ I have wondered that... (RAW)

But I don't know.

I don't think it's his fault that each parent donates 23 chromosomes to make a person :)

Ah, P=7 in a reduced ordinal numerology system, if I said that right. P being the 16th letter, in this system (there are so many, man-made systems, though), is sometimes reduced to 7 from 1+6.


With Tool, they were a favorite band, and this album came out right around the time the interest with this number was hitting a high point. I guess they also had songs before, though, which related to it, such as the one, I forget the name of the song (I'll be back to fill more into these parenthesis, the name, and lyrics, maybe), which says something about "23 steps to total power", I think, and as well, their song 46&2, which could be related to 23, in a way. So I guess they might have been talking..

Yea, we can shoehorn a lot... But still, I still also have that I first ejaculated into/my semen was first accepted by a girl while listening to a 23-track album, and it was song 23. For me, someone that it has mattered to, seemingly, or who has found himself attracted/paying attention to it, to find this in hindsight, does seem to mean/be something. Same goes for finding, in hindsight, after the fact of noticing it in whatever way, that I was born exactly 23 weeks into a year, where 7x23 full days had passed, and yada yada. I'm just saying, I didn't always go looking for these things, and there seems to be some patterns/order as to where they show up, before "they" are even mentioned.



...Another thing I have found interesting, sort of, at times, is that there are two other animals that share the trait of 23 pairs of chromosomes per cell, one being the guppy, and one being a subspecies of a certain small Asiatic deer. What is interesting, to me, perhaps (at times more so than others) is that this deer also has another subspecies which has the least number of chromosomes for any mammal known, at 3. Then I fight this, and wonder what my basis of interest is. The only thing that stands out, really, is the 23, and something being lowest (or highest) related. I'm just mentioning this, though.

Edit: Ah, the song lyrics that can be translated "One infinite abomination born in Autumn, this is your trial of which you will be tested, 23 steps to total power.", is "Viginti Tres" (Twenty Three), the first one I mentioned... Not from an earlier album. I don't remember hearing these though... But it is all over the place. I may need to look further, and I will later, after I go watch this movie that is... 123 minutes (2:03 Hours) long :) and takes place in the 23rd century :D...

I was, to expand, interested in these bands long before I had conscious interest in 23, and with Tool, before this album came out. Perhaps his interest is also being with RAW/Borroughs, though... But I don't, myself, feel it just has to end there.
 
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Ah, P=7 in a reduced ordinal numerology system, if I said that right. P being the 16th letter, in this system (there are so many, man-made systems, though), is sometimes reduced to 7 from 1+6.
so to make this example fit 23, you had to omit some letters from the full name and use the alphabetic position of two of the letters unaltered but apply a function to the other?

this is what i mean when i say that, when you have to work this hard to make it fit, it's absolutely mundane.

alasdair
 
so to make this example fit 23, you had to omit some letters from the full name and use the alphabetic position of two of the letters unaltered but apply a function to the other?

this is what i mean when i say that, when you have to work this hard to make it fit, it's absolutely mundane.

alasdair


That was just one thing. I admit that one is a bit far to walk. But being that so many names have "Man" in them, adding the stem "Pig" (what separates him from all other men? No, well, not really, according to some? haha. uh.) and just finding it's value as 23, was something, for the moment. By the underlined, it was not that much work to make it "fit" or as a reason to view this element, IMO. There are Duellman names, Jackman names, Peachman names, Waterman names, Westerman names, I forget... A lot of "man" names.

Sort of off topic, but Manson... is that simply man-son? Interesting name.


The function wouldn't apply to I or G because they are already in their most reduced form.


Still, the higher sum of Pig by related function is 16+9+7=32, which is not 23, but in ways, one could say, is close, not to rest anywhere with that- but to just say.
 
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Also each number is distinct from another number. 123 is 123 and 123 only. it cannot be rearranged or broken down without losing it's sense/reference. 23232323 is not in any way related to 23. 32 is not 23 either, nor is 158, they are all distinct numbers representing different values entirely. It's the same as saying god = dog.
i tend to agree.

alasdair
 
But it's all the same, and it's all different. If it weren't, nothing would be.

Went and saw Star Trek: Into Darkness. The adversary, Khan, the first numbers I recall him saying, or at least it was 2, 3, then 1, 7, 4, 6, 1, 1. These were then found to be coordinates. 23, 17, 46, 11. I definitely saw RAW's influence, what I know of. A special torpedo that Khan told them to investigate, when cut on wire 23, opened up to reveal a person inside. They were the genetically engineered "super-people", like Khan, hidden in these torpedoes.

Torpedo was marked 9300. I know he also has a liking with 17, as well. 23, and 17 are numbers which correlate with "Hail Eris", or something. I don't know, really.


Horses

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Three deaths in a row now, I have had horses come to my attention, in ways I can't miss. My uncles, grandmother's and best friend's father's.

1. First time this occurred was with my uncle. I was playing online free roam in GTA IV. I learned that he died not long before, perhaps while playing the game. Maybe it was a text. The song "Goodbye Horses" came on, and I hadn't heard it since I was little. I let my car in the game roll into a dark, semi-concealed area, away from the action, to listen to this song. Something about it hit on chord, of reflection. Perhaps the "Goodbye" mainly. But it was the first time I really reflected on his death after the fact.

2. A similar event happened with my grandmother, but might be more in depth.

The day of her death I dreamt of horses. I came to a crossroads/intersection in a field with very high grass, and there were two dark furred horses coming from my right-- A big one and a smaller one. Something in me told me I remembered how to make friends with them, and it involved a certain kind of affection, that was basically hugging them. I hugged the lead horse and had a sensation like I could cry. Then they would proceed to go one way, and I another, I imagine. I was heading to some gates ahead, and they to my left. I had just come from/stepped outside of a city, that resembled some place I might see in India/south pacific, and they were also coming from this city.

That following night, after learning of her death that day/morning, I was browsing profiles, on OkCupid, and I think one profile was suggested to me, to begin with, or I was somehow gravitated to her. In her first image I came to upon clicking her link for more photos, I saw her with a horse. I think I had also come to another with horse photos, as well, perhaps also a suggestion or at the beginning, or something. Suddenly, I remembered my dream, in this reflection. I began to cry, after some time, after I had tried to divert emotional energy, into cleaning my bathroom, I think.

After I stopped crying, I decided to go to get water. It was late at night, so traffic was sparse at best. I had to stop at an intersection, and noticed a police cruiser, dark colored, was also at this intersection, coming from my right. Beyond, would be my destination. I forget the order, but I went through and parked in the grocery lot. I parked next to a blacked out car. Rims black as well. Well, technically, I parked next to the carts, and he was on the other side. I shut my car off. Only then did I notice that the last word I heard was "horses", before the car shut off. It was of a song, "We are the dark horses", by the band Switchfoot. I turned it back on, and heard it- this time for the first time.

Inside, I found the owner of the blacked out vehicle. A security guard. We ended up having a prolonged conversation, for just meeting someone. I had never seen him. I am there every night. I asked him if he was new, and he denied, stating that he was there all of the time. "You must work days", I said... And he shook his head no. That's the first and last time I saw him. Young guy. Engaging conversation.

On the way back, stop at the same intersection, and another cop, this time a white cruiser, also to my right.

3. The next death was my friend's father's. The night before his funeral, I found myself staring at the back of a trailer for a good duration home, from a drop point for my job, two hours away. The trailer was "Dark Horse" Carriers, or something, and had a big black horse logo on the back. I spent the majority of my time behind this vehicle on the way home, relative to any others, which were few to none.


1. I don't remember any numbers like normal, but my uncle was born on 1/5, and died on 5/1, and I thought that that was something. His favorite poem, which he had on a bookmark that he used in his bible, had something that read like "i see the pattern from the underside, while he sees it from above", which in some way also related to the dates of his birth and death, being mirror images, in some sense, or (at least to me, but some can get really anal and get all sciencey on a spirituality forum).

2. I had two girls message me about 23 within hours of my grandmother's death. I had posted something days previously, about 23, and they came to me, and both either had it obviously, or I found it easily, without too much thought. One got naked and sent me pictures, even though I wasn't really edging for anything. She insisted I do the same, but I wasn't into it. She seemed to want a relationship with me, already. And I talked to another one until there was probably only an hour at most, before my grandma's death. This one was born on a 23rd of some month, and majored in religious studies, I think. Came from a very religious family, but had become very open minded. Our conversation was really engaging, and depth-ful. She gave me her number. I simply never got back with her, because of the timing. I wanted to, but didn't.

The day my grandmother died relates to the perceived deadline with a girl I met a couple of years prior, on that day, which could translate into a certain deadline between us, in that level of relationship. Donna, who I also mention in 3. To talk about all of this, however, and try to fit it all in, here, where and in a way people can read, might be like trying to squash an onion. The layers... Might not be layers anymore. They smash. I think that is what happens when I try to write this stuff out, sometimes. Donna relates to my heart. I took myself to the hospital thinking I was having a heart attack the year after this deadline-perceived, with her. The next year the name "Hart" popped up as the first order of my day, at the restaurant I worked at. The next year, my grandma died. The next year, my mom retired.

3. My friend Richard's dad, died on the 23rd of October, and the chuch I went to see him at, for visitation before they had their funeral, was at a 1840 something 16th street, I think. 1840 is 80x23. The number 184 I already had much reference with, it being both my mother's full name sum (Ordinal numerology) which stuck, because I first made reflection of it through a girl, Donna, as a hypothetical sum of her name, following my gut feeling in some sense, of what she might be to me, potentially, what she already felt like. The only conflict was that we weren't (married). We also met on the 23rd day of the year. Days before Richard's dad's death, she posts an image with 23 repeating twice and of four numbers an average of 23, with nails in the image, with camouflage rosettes, like feline rosettes. NailPro- a magazine cover. Richard Donald is my best friend (was once, still could be, but we have been apart a long time). We grew up together. Donna Richele is the girl to have effected me the most, seemingly, even though we only just met, and didn't spend jack in time together. Her father is also Donald Richard. So they are close. The two close people. Her father was born on 8/30. Richard was born on 8/20. With a tiny amount of creativity, one could find 8/20 and 8/30 and 2 and 3, and both 8s are 2 to the 3rd power. Even if you disagree with the numbers, don't let that detract from what else is presented. The friend I spent the most time with growing up and the girl I spend the most time thinking about/effected me the strongest both have names coming from Richard Donald- his name. Her faither is also Donald Richard. Only about three days prior to his father dying, she posted images of 23 on her facebook, as her profile image.

It just happened that way. Even if I might sense at times some mystical connection, it is not directly implied. But these people were in my attention, at the time, and are in my attention, nonetheless.
 
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jesus man you contradict yourself so much lol

i had a professor who once said that you cannot argue with someone who isn't rational; you are just wasting your time.

anyway, i'm bored and spun so i'll still deal with this.

Yes people have favourite numbers. Some people with OCD like even numbers and hate odd numbers. You can't base your argument on people's preference to use certain numbers, especially in media, film, art or music. You need something to ground your argument, to make it rational and objective. Otherwise you are just spewing garbage all over the place.

Daniel Tammet thought 9 was towering and intimidating, while 6 was barely recognizable, tiny and small. I'm far more inclined to believe what he says about numbers because he is 100% consistent and can remember 22,500 digits after the decimal of Pi. He claimed that each integer to 10,000 had a different feeling or sensation. That's a pretty arbitrary number but perhaps that's just the limit of his brain.

he read landscapes in his mind that corresponded to numbers. So he didn't know Pi but knew the pattern of it and could read it like looking at a landscape. Pi does not have a known pattern to it but he sure as hell intuitively knows there is one, or there's some other weird shit going on. To him, Pi was beautiful. I just see it as a number that can be used for countless applications.

alasdair you are a special person for going up against what_23 lol i'm pretty open and love numbers but now i'm starting to see a pattern in what_23's posts that corresponds with psychosis/irrationality/closed mindedness. It would be a big cosmic joke if the very pattern what_23 uses to avoid objectivity, reason and other views somehow corresponded to the number 23!

and what_23, i see binary everywhere, anyone in computers, engineering, physics, most any science will all know other number systems. We also work with radians and degrees and all sorts of cool shit you should actually look into if you really have this much of a passion for numbers. Did anyone ever teach you how the number systems we use work?


say we have the number 529 base 10, and 1000010001 as binary (because i like computers and the number 2)

9 represents the ones column, which is 9 x 10^0 = 9
2 represents the 10s column, which is 2 x 10^1 = 20
5 represents the 100s column, which is 5 x 10^2 = 500

so in binary everything is related to 2. So to convert we need a 512 (2^9) a 16 (2^4) and a 1 (2^0)

so in the column for 2^9, we need to put a 1, which represents 512, in the 2^4 column we need to put a 1 because that is 16 and in the 2^0 column, we need to put a 1 to represent 1. Do you see how that all works out?

this pattern keeps going on infinitely. If you want to use another number system, it's the same deal except instead of 10^x you use the base of that number system, ie binary 2^x, octal 8^x, hexidecimal 16^x

add them all together and what do you get? 529. Notice the complete lack of 23 in there though, but 23^2 is 529. or the square root of 529 is 23. Some people intuitively (or claim to) know the square root of 529 is 23. How the fuck do they figure that out without doing the math in their head?

Do you see 529 and are like oh shit that's 23 squared without doing any math? If so then you are on to something, if not, your argument is deflating. if 23 means something to you then 23^2 would also give you that same feeling or sensation and based on that you'd intuitively know that 529 was somehow related to 23, perhaps you could even feel that it being the square root of 529. As well 1000010001 should also make you think 529 and then 23, because they are actually related.

what does 23 mean? If i see 23, say 3 times on my way to school, what does that mean?

what about 11, 13, 17, 19, 29, 31, or 37?

if I see 10111 when i am working doesn't it necessarily have to have the same meaning as 23?

as well, if i see the fraction 1058/46 it should also have the same meaning as 23. or 1/23^-1 ?
 
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what 23, if you saw a billboard which said "there is only one messiah. if you are reading this, you are the messiah", would you believe you are the messiah?

i read it a little later, so i'm the messiah, right? wait, which one of us is the messiah?

alasdair
 
Haha. I have never said it means anything (ultimately).

And no, I wouldn't believe I am the messiah if I saw it on a billboard, unless I already had that idea.

Robot, you are not getting it. Did you even notice in my last post I talked about synchronicity WITHOUT numbers (Horses). Then, to correspond, I did see these numbers around these events? You say alasdair and yourself are "special people" for arguing with me and that it is a waste of time. I have felt the same way about you all. Not sure why I waste my time. Ego I guess.

Star Trek. Adversary says 23 (To begin coordinates for something significant). First numbers he mentions. Cut wire 23 on Torpedo 9300. A reference to RAW, perhaps. The Torpedo just about explodes- it's countdown beginning, because or after this wire was cut. Then they manage to stop it, and a human body is revealed inside (a fairly significant reveal). It happened at 23. Big fucking deal. Argue it.

My life is similar (how 23...).


You just don't get it so why are you even talking to me? To me you are the ones who are being irrational. But you have already made up your minds. Like I'm on fucking trial here. Fuck.
 
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seems to me you posted your observations because you (implicitly at least) wanted to discuss them. yet when people discuss them with you (albeit with a different perspective on what you're seeing) you're not interested.

you only want to hear from people who agree with you? you swear at people and tell them "i'm more right than you" and sling personal attacks because of a difference of opinion.

perhaps a blog is a better place for your comments? that's the perfect channel for somebody who just wants a monologue, not a dialogue.

alasdair
 
I didn't sling any personal attacks Robot called me irrational and psychotic. It is getting annoying. How in the hell do I discuss with people who come off like that?

I am willing to listen to other people's stories of synchronicity here without judging them or putting them on trial... I guess I expect the same. You two obviously don't get me. You both call me crazy or irrational. Then you get however, when I won't discuss that on your level. I'm not sure what it is you are hoping for. You say I embellish. And I don't. And you NEVER apologized for that. You just move onto the next argument. I'm the only one who is actually contributing any possible account of synchronicity to this thread(- not that everyone, or any, are guaranteed to see it or agree it holds up to scrutiny, but they also weren't there). I'm really not seeking this kind of discussion... to have every fucking thing I say put on trial.

Where did I "sling personal insult"?

...Perhaps I should start a fresh synchronicity thread or one that is more directed at allowing this discussion, like the astrology thread isn't for disputing the validity of astrology, but for just talking about astrology. Any dispute should be done civilly, if at all, and in the form of questions, always. You shouldn't be so hell-bent on making me learn Chinese (Robot, to your binary). And if I speak Chinese, don't get pissed, either.

...Maybe a thread in film and television might be more suited for me? Like, I can report that I see these things as a pattern in many movies that I see? I can write down where, such as the recent example, in Star Trek. Because, it is intentional, and it's something that is a part of many movies that I see. And it's not just some other number like you seem to want me to accept. But I have it in my life, too. Not just movies.
 
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"My better half wants me to find a better way to say things, though, more civil."

i concede. the problem is me, robotripping and your other half.

it's not you. it's us. we're all 'wrong'. you're 'right'.

have a great day.

alasdair
 
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