substance synergies

[Miss Peks]

I've tried Nitrous and weed and found that I didn't like it at all. By the end I was freaking out and thought I was going to die.
I guess some people can handle it and some can't. I can handle most things (psychadelic's don't normally freak me out), but that combo was just way too much.
I'm not saying I don't recommend this, but if anyone does try this then be careful!

 

[BigTrancer]

cancle: I think plaz is referring to a totally low dose of DXM more in the range of 100mg to synergise positively with the nitrous. High plateau doses of DXM are IMHO best experienced free from other chemicals. Similarly low dose (again 100-150mg) DXM and low dose (eg. a cone or two) THC can work well.
I think my main point is when aiming for synergies, it's best to start low - I've found that sometimes when you get a fantastic drug combination working, sometimes you push it too far one way or another. This can cloud all the positives of the experience with some overwhelmingly gutwrenching negatives of the same chemicals that had been hidden by the positive aspects of the synergy.
BigTrancer

 

[Adikkal]

Nitrous and weed to much?
Shit, i can understand why you may see that but in this happy campers mind Weed + Nitrous = Enlightenment
To me it keeps feeling like im reaching the 'zone'. Like a feeling i've reached before, a level that when i first experienced thought "Ohh my god this is fucken amazing" and it seems the more i do it, the higher this level goes...
Fucken gold i tell ya
Adikkal

 

[[e]motion_sickness]

MDMA + KETAMINE - Had 1 1/2 mdma pills then while i was still peakin and rushin had half a ketamine bomb....was fucking crazy after that. Really mad, it's kinda like it doubles the smacky effect of googs...fell into so many k holes, really headfukin' if u like that kind of thing =)
Havin K on the comedown is good too, coz it gets rid of all your negative thoughts and just makes ya eyes nice and fuzzy =)
VALIUM + MARUJUANA - Drop some vals (diazapam or tamazopan) then have a smoke and you'll be all nice and relaxed then have a mad sleep...snow cones are nice relaxing billies which gives you a different kind of smashed =)
MDMA + VALIUM - Nice to take the edge off comedowns =)

 

[surrealthoughts]

im surprised no one has mentioned shrooms + nitrous
or lsd + nitrous
in my eyes the most incredible experience to be had
totally immersive experience which just totally rocks
the higher the dose of either the better
from my experience

 

[entropope]

I've been biting my tongue till now... this is fantastic ammunition for the media right here... and it relates to harm minimisation... how?

 

[plazma]

^^^^^^^^^^^^
This isn't encouraging people. Think of it as the other half of the 'dangerous combinations' list, the ones that won't kill you if you combine them.
-plaz out-

 

[apollo]

how do half the forums on bluelight relate to harm minimisation?

 

[cancle]

I think entropope has a pretty good point. I mean if some newbie comes across a thread which says things like

Multiple hits of liquid, 40 bulbs and smitchon of weed, 33 beers, champagne, vodka, whisky---> my number one drug experience with out of this world visuals
-or-

VALIUM + MARUJUANA - Drop some vals (diazapam or tamazopan) then have a smoke and you'll be all nice and relaxed then have a mad sleep...snow cones are nice relaxing billies which gives you a different kind of smashed =)
I mean the starting post isn't really going to help stop people from doing stupid things with drugs...

having read so much about drugs that form harmful combinations, i've decided to start a thread where people can list drugs which go well together. let's not hear about amphetamine based combinations (pills & speed for example), nor give people shit about poly drug use.
This is not a personal attack at all, I just don't think this thread is helpful. Bluelight is the place where you're meant to read about harmful combinations not pleasurable ones. People usually need to be given shit about poly drug use. Perhaps we need a alternate message board which is not affiliated with bluelight(ie. shades of blue).
Having said that, I posted in this thread and quite enjoyed reading it. It would be great if we could have a board where we could talk about things like this, but I don't think bluelight(with all the media attention and harm-reduction mission stuff) is the right place.
/end wank

 

[entropope]

apollo I don't much care what half the forums on bluelight relate. To be honest I'm only really interested in this one at the moment, and my comments obviously relate only to this one.
Littered around the site are little annotations and guidelines, many stating that the primary function of The New Bluelight is harm minimisation. In this forum harm minimisation is the sole purpose.
I didn't comment on whether this is going to encourage people (although I think it will most definitely encourage some) as this is also beside the point. The point is, this thread does not serve the purpose of harm minimisation in my eyes. I was asking if you can tell me how it does... not if you can try to keep it open cos it's interesting to learn about new ways to intoxicate yourself. I agree, for those that wish to experiment with such things, it's a great thread... but it's not suitable here imo.
On top of this it is fantastic ammunition for the media to take out of context... or even in context. There is no denying this.
I could pick out of few of the suggested combos that are potentially dangerous... but that also is beside the point. If you disagree with please re-read the thread whilst thinking about harm minimisation.

 

[melancholic]

i agree with you on everything you say entropope. however, you must also look at it from the other point of view... there are loads of threads even in this forum which have no relation to harm minimisation.
it can be viewed as harm minimisation, because as bluelights slogan is

We neither condone nor condemn the use of any illegal drug, but we recognize that illicit substances will be used regardless of their illegality. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "SAFE" DRUG USE! We are facilitating the open exchange of information so users can make more informed decisions regarding their use.
you could also say that drugs will be combined no matter of their illegality and or dangerousness, and this thread does not encourage nor condone the combination of drugs but 'facilitates the open exchange of information so users can make more informed decisions regarding their use'.
[ 01 April 2002: Message edited by: melancholic ]

 

[apollo]

thanks melancholic, well put
entropope...
if the media want to tear apart bluelight, i guarantee a thread like this will make no difference to what they say. they'll write off your prescious "harm minimisation" as "slightly educated people/unproven information providing false or badly grounded justification for taking illegal drugs".
if you are afraid of the media, short of commiting suicide, there is little you can do to escape them.
lsd & nitrous - good one surrealthoughts. i find that when i've had lsd and it has not come on yet (say, within an hour of ingesting it) and i inhale nitrous, the nitrous is abnormally potent. and, upon repeated dosing, insightful into the trip yet to set in. whilst the lsd is at its peak, mitrous is an aboslutely blind blowing experience. lasts longer too.

 

[johnboy]

so long as there are enuf disclaimers and warnings i'm ok with this thread. we can't get too paranoid about things being taken out of context by the media etc, they will do that regardless, and have done already. i think stifling people's discussion in thee areas would be too limiting.
we can't get caught up in the idea that we aren't allowed to enjoy drugs. harm minimisation doesn't mean no fun. sure, there are added dangers when combining substances, but if the risks are taken into account you can still do things safely. i'd be a lot happier to see discussion of polydrug use than making it a taboo subject. taboos is what we are fighting against. we need to have this discussed in the open. if we ban that discussion here where can people go? back to talking about it by word of mouth? we know how reliable that is...

 

[Disco Diablo]

mushrooms + mdma + nitrous oxide and in that order, perfectly timed apart so that you peak on each substance simultaneously.
My personal timeguide is: mushies, followed by MDMA 30-40 mins later, and then nitrous oxide once MDMA hits it's peak.
Deep, intense, spiritual love & ecstasy would best describe the agonising pleasure of this combo.
I've yet to try adding other substances to this combo formula, but in all honesty, I never find myself wanting to go any deeper or higher than the spiritual high this combo gives me.
The only negative for me is the "waiting" for your tolerance to drop again so you can go for yet another journey.
On a different but related topic:
Everytime "Star Wars: Episode One" screens on Foxtel & I am bemushroomed, I can't help but cry whenever I hear John William's soundtrack. It's emotional energy seems greatly amplified, & the movie itself is actually significantly more enjoyable. Total immersion in the fantasy is effortless.
Are there any mushroom lovers here that can report a similar emotional reaction or ease of fantasy immersion to movies while in the bemushroomed state???
[Edit: "NO2" replaced with "nitrous oxide" for accuracy. BigTrancer]
[ 02 April 2002: Message edited by: BigTrancer ]

 

[phase_dancer]

Careful, careful. You wouldn't want to inhale NO2.
Of course what Disco Diablo meant was nitrous oxide, N2O - but beware. High school kids learn of the brown gas easily made from nitric acid. This gas nitrogen dioxide (NO2) is VERY poisonous, and must not be confused with nitrous oxide (N2O)
N2O gets you high. NO2 turns to a nasty acid in your lungs!!

 

[melancholic]

^^ well observed, i wouldnt of had a clue which was which and what the differentce was
come on BT do yer stuff, fix up the post!

 

[Tabernacle]

Cancle, your quoting me for giving dangerous advice on poly-drug use corrupting impersionable people, but as far as i know LSD, Nitrous oxide (N2O, yes i've done chemistry), Alcohol and negliable amounts of marijuana aren't contraindictive, ie the mere addition of these chems in vivo aren't inherently dangerous. Yes the dosages were excessive (but hey it was an excessive weekend!), but every informed drug users should know the old adage, 'know your mind, body and know your substance', people have different tolerances and different drug experience, what will barely make somebody high, will completely fuck somebody else up. Now if people don't realise this and get to know how much of a particular substance they can handle, or experiment slowly enuff so they know their limits and what they can handle in combination with whatever else their gonna have then they shouldn't be taking drugs. It's not Bluelight's fault for providing poly drug infomation, if they can get these drugs then they'll prolly try them anyway, regardless of what they've read on Bluelight. If they just take what somebody recommends to get high and get hurt then it's their own fault for not doing the auxillary required reading (erowid etc) and experimenting so they get to know their limits of mind, body and substance. Although actually posting dangerous contraindictive drug combinations should be stamped out.
There debate about poly drug use concluded, and i agree with johnboy, some information is better than none and tabooism does nothing except further extenuate the things Bluelight is trying to fight, mainly misconception and hearsay.

 

[cancle]

Meh.

 

[--PacmaN--]

I have a friend who on swears by MDMA + speed + LSD + mushrooms as the ultimate rave combo. He is well experienced, and has used each of these drugs on their own many times. Now before you pass judgement he is not one of these let's take drugs till my brain explodes types and takes only small quantites of all of the above, no more than 1/2 - 1 pill, 1 - 2 points of speed, 1.5 - 2 grams of mushrooms, 1/4 - 1/2 tab of LSD. He is always way less f*cked up than other people I know who take 3-4 pills in a night. Apart from the speed/MDMA thing anyone know of any actual evidence (links appreciated) of a downside to this behaviour ?
As for locking the thread some evidence of polydrug use damage will do more to disuade people from trying that combo than no information at all.
To any anyone looking for harm minimiation advice my suggestion would be DO NOT take any psychoreactive drug in combination with another unless you are VERY experienced and familiar with the effects of each drug on its own. Oh yeah and stay away from dex and fantasy if you're the sampler type.

 

[Fry-d-]

[rant]
This topic deserves to be taboo. Well at least in the way its being discussed. A list of PROVEN to be safe combinations of substances that will provide an enhanced experience fair enough, but thats not where this is heading. A lot of combinations are thought to be safe but are definately a lot more detrimental to your health. It always turns into 'look how many different chemicals i took and luckily woke up the next day' competitions.
Yes if the media want to tear bluelight apart they will. But why give them more meat for their sandwhich. Its threads like this that the papers always quote from and threads like this do make the difference. If you read about a nasty drug website in your local rag were users are discussing things like....

Multiple hits of liquid, 40 bulbs and smitchon of weed, 33 beers, champagne, vodka, whisky---> my number one drug experience with out of this world visuals
.... I bet everyone would automatically think the site is full of credible information. I mean that's Harm Minimisation all over.
I dont think this topic is in our best interests, at least no in this way. Poly drug use is dangerous and is worse for your body there is no escaping that.
[/rant]