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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine Mega Thread and FAQ v17.0 + v18.0

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Yea those gel pills suck here they are called Oxy neo. I don't even bother with them I find subs get me higher anyways but I don't mind this subtle high I don't need to be floored all day anymore. But did you start small the last times and work your way up? Also was your tolerance higher last time in the 8mg range? I find it really dumb you do Oxy with your sub program all because your doctor hates weed I mean jeez why not let you smoke a bit for fucks sake then you don't have to microwave pills to get high once a month and risk your life. I like to be able to use my brain still while high these days I find I like the way opiates like suboxone help me concentrate and make me able to use parts of my brain in ways I couldn't sober so this is why I like subs because I still feel like I have use of my brain and am not taken over by a really strong heroin high or sumthing making me all stupid. I am going to school currently I want to be a doctor so when I want to get high on heroin/full agonists I just think about how dumb it made me at times and think how I need my brain to do well in school.
 
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I'm not the best person to ask because I have never done it successfully. I have tried, I'm guessing constipation was the issue, even though I go every day.

Anyways, what you want to do is dissolve your bupe in water (the less you can use, the better - less possibility of leakage). Then, you can administer this anally with a needleless syringe (in the US, the pharmacy (chemist) will give them away if you tell them you are dosing a child - it's also called an oral syringe more commonly here). The best way to do this is to be laying on your side, and use some lube, and slowly insert the syringe, then push the plunger slowly until the solution is released, and after that I usually leave the syringe in place a moment or two before I attempt to remove it, once again to prevent leakage. The first few times, at least, you'll probably want to keep laying down for 15-20 minutes to make sure it has absorbed.

I have tried this three times. The first two, I think my dose was so high that I wouldn't notice effects anyways. The last time, I still didn't have good effects, so I'm thinking that I did not get good absorption. If you have fecal matter up there, it can interfere with absorption, making this a little tricky of an ROA for us maintenance users.

If you do an enema, you can eliminate that problem, you'd have to look that up on your own though, I just gave up before I tried that.

I have heard that plugging is the best bang for your buck, if you will (not sure if you use that expression across the pond), with better euphoria and effects in general short of IV. However, after my failed attempts, I ended up putting my time and resouces into making my nasal spray instead. Maybe it's just because I have a little bit of a sniffing fixation, but I find it the best way for me. It probably is not quite as good as plugging done correctly, but the thing I really like about my spray is that it has to be the hands down fastest way to administer. No fixing shots, or waiting for sublingual to dissolve, or waiting for solution to absorb... Just spray and go.

A little off topic there... Back to plugging, if you have any other questions, I can try to answer them, or I know there are some plugging threads here, I may even have one bookmarked, if so, I'll edit it in here after.

Here are a few links I found:

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/395185-suboxone-plugged-(rectal-buprenorphine)
For plugging bupe specifically

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/206901-Official-Rectal-Admin-Plugging-Thread
For plugging in general

(Sorry Evey, I don't know how to embed clickable links on my phone... Anyone know?)
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Thanks. Much appreciated. So if I buy one of those childrens cough medicines with those syringes in, will those work?

Evey
 
trainspotter10102 said:
Yea those gel pills suck here they are called Oxy neo. I don't even bother with them I find subs get me higher anyways but I don't mind this subtle high I don't need to be floored all day anymore. But did you start small the last times and work your way up? Also was your tolerance higher last time in the 8mg range? I find it really dumb you do Oxy with your sub program all because your doctor hates weed I mean jeez why not let you smoke a bit for fucks sake then you don't have to microwave pills to get high once a month and risk your life. I like to be able to use my brain still while high these days I find I like the way opiates like suboxone help me concentrate and make me able to use parts of my brain in ways I couldn't sober so this is why I like subs because I still feel like I have use of my brain and am not taken over by a really strong heroin high or sumthing making me all stupid. I am going to school currently I want to be a doctor so when I want to get high on heroin/full agonists I just think about how dumb it made me at times and think how I need my brain to do well in school.
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I kinda like getting high once a month. But it is true that I wouldn't really feel the need to if I was allowed to smoke weed... It hasn't really been an issue for me to switch back and forth once a month though, the lower I've been dosing, the easier this is...
I used oxys primarily, and while if I took a lot they put me on the nod a bit, there were a lot of times I can recall where I got a little buzz on and just got insane amounts of work done... Opiates in general, but especially oxys, were always stimulating to me.
However, bupe is enough for me at this point, it generally keeps me happy and motivated, I just enjoy one day or night of getting high... I guess I use oxy now the same way I use anything else, on occasion if I have the cash, it feels good to have my tolerance be lower every time now too, I used to use 4-500 mg at a time.

Eveleivibe said:
Thanks. Much appreciated. So if I buy one of those childrens cough medicines with those syringes in, will those work?

Evey
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Yup, absolutely!! Mine has the mL markings on it, but that's not even necessary just for plugging, it's good for me for making a nasal solution.
 
fullycaffeinated said:
I kinda like getting high once a month. But it is true that I wouldn't really feel the need to if I was allowed to smoke weed... It hasn't really been an issue for me to switch back and forth once a month though, the lower I've been dosing, the easier this is...
I used oxys primarily, and while if I took a lot they put me on the nod a bit, there were a lot of times I can recall where I got a little buzz on and just got insane amounts of work done... Opiates in general, but especially oxys, were always stimulating to me.
However, bupe is enough for me at this point, it generally keeps me happy and motivated, I just enjoy one day or night of getting high... I guess I use oxy now the same way I use anything else, on occasion if I have the cash, it feels good to have my tolerance be lower every time now too, I used to use 4-500 mg at a time.



Yup, absolutely!! Mine has the mL markings on it, but that's not even necessary just for plugging, it's good for me for making a nasal solution.
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I may try the nasal idea too... I didn't think of that one...

I find subs make my brain foggy not clearer... It was clearer when on codeine, believe it or not. I'd have this house tidy from top to bottom and brain would be sharp... I've never heard anyone else say that subs makes their brain clearer, strange how it affects people in different ways.

Evey
 
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I may try the nasal idea too... I didn't think of that one...

I find subs make my brain foggy not clearer... It was clearer when on codeine, believe it or not. I'd have this house tidy from top to bottom and brain would be sharp... I've never heard anyone else say that subs makes their brain clearer, strange how it affects people in different ways.

Evey
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Lower doses of opiates made me clearer too - see above where I mentioned getting insane amounts of work done when I just had a buzz.

Problem was, eventually I stopped getting any effect from those lower doses. I would have to dose so high to feel any effects at all, that the effects I did feel were disastrous. I was always on the nod, wrecked a car and came close to wrecking another a few times, nodded out AT WORK multiple times, once in front of my boss even (I managed a restaurant, so I only saw my boss 1-2x/month). All of that with minimal euphoria. When I say I was dosing 500 mg oxy a day, that was at once. 99% of the time, I only dosed once a day (all I could afford). I don't know if you have oxycodone over there, but it's a big habit, when I switched to heroin sometimes, I did 3-4 bundles (grams) a day, of powder heroin sniffed.

So, now that I'm on suboxone, a and have tapered down considerably, I do feel clearer. I think it's because I am ultimately taking less opiate than I am used to. For you, coming off codeine (which also has a ceiling), you're taking more opiate than you're used to. Anytime I did that, I felt fuzzy or foggy.

I don't want to speak for Trainspotter, but I think that's where he's at too.

As you keep tapering, you will most likely feel clearer. We both dose lower than you, as well. I was stuck at 4-6 mg for ages, but finally got past it. Although when using nasally, the BA is a little higher, so the ~1 mg I use daily is more like ~1.5 sublingual.

I don't mean to try to turn everyone on to nasal use, it's not always the best idea for everyone, but to me, it beats the hell out of IVing when I have never shot in the past, and is faster than dosing sublingual, with a faster onset and without most of the awful taste. Another thing I like is that the duration is still long, but just a little shorter, so by the next morning, I can usually feel my dose.
 
I don't find nasal had any faster onset at all its usually an hour before I feel it same with sublingual the only thing faster I find is that you don't have to wait for the pill to dissolve in your mouth so yo me its only about 10minutes faster since I'm not waiting for a pill to dissolve. I also find the duration is the same and many people have agreed with me on that in my circle of friends I got friends who dose once a day and they snort their dose.
 
trainspotter10102 said:
I don't find nasal had any faster onset at all its usually an hour before I feel it same with sublingual the only thing faster I find is that you don't have to wait for the pill to dissolve in your mouth so yo me its only about 10minutes faster since I'm not waiting for a pill to dissolve. I also find the duration is the same and many people have agreed with me on that in my circle of friends I got friends who dose once a day and they snort their dose.
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Neither one is a huge difference for me. Nasal kicks in after 1/2 hr or so for me, sublingual 45 to an hour at most... And the duration of effects isn't much different, I could definitely dose once a day nasally if I had to, the main difference is that when I dose sublingually, I am still good the next morning as well. Nasally, I wake up in the morning just the slightest bit in wds, and because of that, when I dose, I feel it more since I am starting a little below baseline instead of at or a little above it. What works for one certainly does not work for us all though, YMMV.

Also to be noted, what I am doing (staying under the ceiling and dosing nasally to "feel" my doses) is pretty much the exact opposite of the point of bupe maintenance treatment, which is to have all receptors saturated at all times to avoid the highs and lows of more traditional opiates. HOWEVER, I personally wanted to use (craved) more at those doses, not less.
 
Evey - just wanted to let you know that I gave plugging another try (not sure why, curiosity after you brought it up and reminded me I guess) and had some success for the first time. I had previously inserted the syringe fully, but this time (thinking of possible constipation) I only inserted it about a couple centimeters. I used a dose of 2 mg, but it was an old strip so I thought it may have lost a little potency, and I figured I might lose some of the solution. Probably ended up with ~1 mg in me (I usually dose .5 at a time, 1 mg in a day). The onset was faster, and also warmer if that makes sense, now I pretty much feel how I normally would after dosing.
 
Hmm fascinating... warmer? like warm water up your bum kinda warm? lol Never been a fan of things up my behind and i imagine you got to take laxatives daily or do enemas daily if that's what a person wants to do with every dose. I just don't see it being for me just seems wasteful cause subs constipate you quite a bit making it hard to absorb in your rectum/small intestine and enemas/laxatives everyday are not good for your digestive health. Don't see the point in plugging suboxone but different strokes for different folks I suppose.
 
Supposed to be taking 3.5mg/day. Gonna ask to go back to 4mg at next appointment, but it's 50/50 they will. No big deal if not.
 
through out the day on monday i took 8mg subutex. my usual dose is 2mg daily (which i've been taking for about 2-3 months). i know there's a waiting period between when you can use a full agonist opiate and have it not be blocked by the bupe's affinity for the receptors, but here's my question. i (of course, like an impatient idiot) tried taking 60mg oxy last night (felt absolutely nothing). so my question is how much longer should i wait before taking anymore, and is the oxy in my system from last night keeping me from feeling shitty/progressing into withdrawal this morning?
 
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Hello my fellow blue lighters I've thrilled to finally be a member I've been returning to this page day after day for advice always makes me feel at ease and forgive me bc sometimes I tend to ramble, just trying to fit in being the new "kid" on the block...the past couple days been taking my suboxone first (the pills, IV route) then 3 footballs down the hatch and 2 Sublingually...for some reason it's not hyping me up and getting me as talkative as usuall just flat out borderline pass out...not quite sure why this is happening...imma healthy male, have numerous years of experience just other feedback from people who won't judge or be harsh is always greatly appreciated...my regime in as follows wake up , IV 8mg suboxone pills and 5 footballs, sometimes with a cup of coffee just not sure why all of a sudden the euphoria like effects were put to a hault.....I was a heavy opiate user for 10 years and just now over the past couple month began to fall in love with benzodiazepines .....any feedback would be great , just a. Newb Tryna get advice and keep enjoying this great site that was made...it's an early morning ritual I check it out.....hope this was submitted into the right thread because this is all new to me....I just feel as the Xanax aren't kicking in even with the sub, I'm dumbfounded....sorry for writing a novel thank you greatly for hearing me out. ------johnnybegoode
 
Hiya,

I'm currently on 4 mg of suboxone (am tapering off). when I was on 12mg I would be so talkative it's unreal. I'd flict between being highly stimulated - like on lots of caffeine to complete exhaustion, my head would feel too heavy like it was full of fluid and I'd just feel "not right." When I went down to 8 mg I was stimulated but felt a lot better in myself... I've not been on 4 mg long enough to properly tell you how it affects me (although we all react differently to suboxone or any drug for that matter.)

My advice for you would be to visit the Suboxone/ Buprenorphine Megathread and FAQ V.18.0 which is based in the sub-forum; Other Drugs (OD)

Less is more with suboxone - it tends to have a better affect the less you use it - which is often difficult for us addicts who only think one word - more! LOL.

Good luck and welcome to Bluelight!

Evey
 
Thank you all for the replies....I've been on suboxone maintenance for 3 years currently prescribed 16mg....for me tho it seems 8mg hit me right on the spot I tries taperin down to 2-4mg and it just wasn't doing I for me, I noticed the sweats more and felt like crap, really astonished me...for some reason when I combined more sub with the Xanax it made it more potent but for some reason the past week it's had a different effect of me, more less drowsy than talkative and "happy"....I've been a fan of this sit for years and finally decided to join, a little advice never hurt anyone and in hoping I can abide by the rules as of some are still unclear to me....on another note when I IV the suboxone it's was better than Sublingually almost instant....I just love my blues and sub combo...was an straight opiate addict for 10 years, even the ought the military and surprisingly hid my addiction well, idk how tho...now at the age of 25 it's plainly subs and benzos....thank y'all very much for the advice this sites jut difficult to navigate and when I try to post on certain things it won't let me..just my luck lol....also if I take a couple more mg of sub will it kick the Xanax back in?
 
Evey ur down to 4mg now? Very nice ;)
I always read your posts and I know you were struggling for a bit there, great to hear :)
 
More sub will only lessen your high and its called tolerance its a bitch ain't it. The best way to get buzzed off sub is to keep it under 2 Mgs a day once I got to 2mgs from 8 I was like holy fuck why have I been taking 8mgs when 0.5-1mg feels so much better in terms of euphoria and pain relief. I'm afraid the more you up your dose of Suboxone the less recreational effects you get and you just get a steady level of buprenorphine through your veins 24/7 where you can't tell if you dosed or not each time you take it. Smaller doses wear off before the next one so each time you dose you get a "rush"
 
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