I apparently never posted my last post, and when I just opened this back up my phone lost it.
Seems like I've missed a lot the past few days...
All I can conclude is by footballs, he means the Xanax?
I used oxy on Thursday, and when I finally took bupe again it had been about 40 hours since using oxy and about 80 hours since my last bupe dose... and I wasn't sick. I'm kind of mad at myself for even taking the bupe, but although I did not have acute wd symptoms, I had no energy whatsoever... I have seen other people on here who barely had any acute wd symptoms after discontinuing bupe before though, and I wonder if I'm at that point?
Congrats Evey on making it down to 4... 6 to 4 was actually my hardest jump and I'm on around 1 mg now... Once I got below 4 it was easier for me. I think my tolerance started lowering after that. Most pool say their ceiling was 4 mg, but I think mine was 6 for sure, as when I was taking 6, I could feel a difference between 4 and 6, and a big one at that. I wonder if it's because my tolerance was higher?
Also, Evey, I don't know if you misread something, but I've still never shot anything, although continuing nasal use probably isn't the best idea when looking at it from the standpoint of continuing addictive behaviors... I guess it's kind of silly too, making a nasal spray to administer a substance that doesn't get me high...
My tolerance is very low now tho... I dosed 120 mg oxy OP twice on Thursday, the first time was perfect, but the second time maybe 7 hrs later, I was too high... Couldn't control the nod for a while... My friend with the script barely ever takes them and is pretty much opiate naive and could probably handle it better.
through out the day on monday i took 8mg subutex. my usual dose is 2mg daily (which i've been taking for about 2-3 months). i know there's a waiting period between when you can use a full agonist opiate and have it not be blocked by the bupe's affinity for the receptors, but here's my question. i (of course, like an impatient idiot) tried taking 60mg oxy last night (felt absolutely nothing). so my question is how much longer should i wait before taking anymore, and is the oxy in my system from last night keeping me from feeling shitty/progressing into withdrawal this morning?
The post my phone deleted was for you... And from what I can tell you never got a response? Anyways, what was your tolerance like beforehand? If you read above, I take ~1 mg bupe/day, and took a whole day off bupe, then dosed the next afternoon and had to take 120 mg (of the OP, but broken up). Even with IR oxy, I'd guess my tolerance is probably AT LEAST 60 mg, probably more like 75-90. There are two things going on here - first is bupe's blockade effect, but that's not too great unless you're over 4-8 mg a day, and for me, even at 16 mg, I could shoot through with oral oxy (but a lot of it, like 500 mg - dangerous). The second thing though, is tolerance. Even on 2 mg of bupe, I'd say your tolerance is probably being held above 60 mg of oxy, especially if you had a big tolerance beforehand. You're either going to need more oxy, which can be dangerous, or more time. From what I can tell, most people don't find it worth it to mess around while on bupe maint for these reasons, I'm kind of a rarity, and even I only do it once a month, and if I was paying street prices, probably wouldn't bother anymore, but I pay like a third or less of what the shit goes for on the street.
TL;DR, Tolerance is ultimately more of an issue than the bupe blockade.
