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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine Mega Thread and FAQ v17.0 + v18.0

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^I agree, that sounds like a sure fire way to relapse. Especially if they are offering you some, that sounds near impossible.
 
kace said:
^ In response to everyone, yeah, it is pretty hard trying to be off heroin on day 2, when someone next to you is using it! It doesn't help it's on my bed, the same way we always used to, and them even making a straw for me and offering 'just a little toke'. Argh.. I wish I could get away. I can't really, but am going to try and start volunteering as I really need to get back into the real world and do something productive before I give up on subutex and go back to my junky ways.
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You have to be honest with yourself here. How do you plan on staying off of heroin when it is in your bed? Or being offered to you? Regardless of your intentions, what you are describing is simply unsustainable. It is difficult enough just trying to stabilize on bupe, let alone have heroin waved in your face and in bed with you...
 
I know. :( I was pretty shocked and disgusted at him offering it to me, when he knows how much it has fucked me up! argh. I'm going to just spend less time with him and try and get him to get help. It's so hard it literally being waved in my face.. Ugh.. Love and drugs do not mix.
 
^Well, we don't answer those questions.....but cocaine stays in your system 3-7 days, which is on the broad spectrum...but that's all I'll say.
 
BlueHues said:
^Yeah there's a 2 can limit on those 4 Lokos!

At least the Tilt and the Sparks came in smaller cans, and the alcohol content was around 8%.... So for a lot of people, those were just something you could drink one of in the middle of a night of drinking other stuff, and get a little boost from the caffeine and other energy stuff while still drinking an alcoholic beverage.

But when 4Loko came out in a 24oz. can, 11-12% alc. tasting like overs-weetened Kool Aid and cheap enough to buy with the change in your couch cushions, you know you've got a winner with the hardcore alcoholics in a low-income area!;)

I haven't been smoking pot regularly for a long time. The rare periods I've had where I wasn't on some kind of opiate, I usually smoke pot daily...but for some reason, I've been drinking on the Suboxone instead..which I know is much worse for me. I've been smoking weed the last few days with my Sub, and I feel much happier.
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Yea, a few years ago I started seeing crushed up empty cans of 4 lokos on the streets in the ghetto areas. The hardcore alcoholics still prefer their beer or malt beverage if they have the money, but if they only have enough money to buy 1 or 2 drinks for the day you bet your ass they are reaching for 4 lokos. It's like the heroin of alcoholic beverages. Cheaper and gets you more fucked up!
 
Pulling those things off the shelves was so stupid. I never even knew the things existed until they took them away. But I had many times mixed vodka or whiskey with an energy drink. I could understand if something in the drink was different than just mixing 2 easily attainable items, but its not.

I also don't understand why the govt. has to police everyone from their own stupidity, but it seems to be their #1 priority, or 1a and 1b would be finding ways to flush more taxpayer money down the drain.
 
So ive recently gotten to deep into my habit.
its been a month or two of straight usage and im done with this and ready to quit.
I got a surgery coming up soon amd would like to get a job where they drug test.
Iv
I used to use 8-16mgs of dilaudid a day and I recently went threw a gram of tar in a couple days probably 3 or 4.

My real question is would bupe help me with withdrawals and is there any way to do a quick taper with ot as ive heard it being a partial agonist helps alot woth the symptoms of wd.

There is a sub doctor here ill be contacting tomorrow and id really like to get clean as its necessary at this point ij my life.

Any tips or advice would be greatly appriciated.

How many mgs you think to take? And what is a good taper plan as I imagine a couple mgs of bupe would be enough to keep me stable and I don't mind some wd symptoms as im tryimg to get clean and just lesson the withdrawals im having when I run out of dope or attempt to jump off cold turkey. Ill still have to be working during and being some what functional or id just jump off cold turkey.

Like I said any advice would be greatly appriciated. Im desperate to get clean

I was thinking that if I take just a little at a low low dosage to avoid being completely sick for say a week or a week an some change it would allow me to lower my tolerance enough to get threw the wd.
Am I out of my mind thinking this?
 
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IMHO, a QUICK taper would be Methadone, as it worked for me a few times in the past. I was on norcos the first day I got on Suboxone from my doc. and it was all fine. To be quite honest, I'm not sure about Subs and quick tapering, but what I do know is that it really is a great drug to come off opiates with, plus, it won't show in a drug test. (All the ones I've taken, NEVER showed). Wish you the best, and I REALLY hope you have insurance, Suboxone is INSANELY expensive without insurance. Mine happened to be free, I think my pops co-pay was like.. $40, not bad. If I'm not mistaken, 90x8mg is (Correct me if I'm wrong) around $800.
 
TheRapperGoneBad said:
So ive recently gotten to deep into my habit.
its been a month or two of straight usage and im done with this and ready to quit.
I got a surgery coming up soon amd would like to get a job where they drug test.
Iv
I used to use 8-16mgs of dilaudid a day and I recently went threw a gram of tar in a couple days probably 3 or 4.

My real question is would bupe help me with withdrawals and is there any way to do a quick taper with ot as ive heard it being a partial agonist helps alot woth the symptoms of wd.

There is a sub doctor here ill be contacting tomorrow and id really like to get clean as its necessary at this point ij my life.

Any tips or advice would be greatly appriciated.

How many mgs you think to take? And what is a good taper plan as I imagine a couple mgs of bupe would be enough to keep me stable and I don't mind some wd symptoms as im tryimg to get clean and just lesson the withdrawals im having when I run out of dope or attempt to jump off cold turkey. Ill still have to be working during and being some what functional or id just jump off cold turkey.

Like I said any advice would be greatly appriciated. Im desperate to get clean

I was thinking that if I take just a little at a low low dosage to avoid being completely sick for say a week or a week an some change it would allow me to lower my tolerance enough to get threw the wd.
Am I out of my mind thinking this?
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Plenty of people do quick tapers with bupe. It's even used in many in patient detoxes now, where people are put on 4-7 day protocols and do pretty well. So, if you want to get clean.. it's sure worth a try. Based on your tolerance, you'll probably be fine with 4mg's or so. So, once you induct, find your stabilizing dose, whatever it is that takes away your symptoms, and then start decreasing a little everyday. 15%, 25%, whatever you can handle.
 
well, im trying to get back on subs and off this vivotrol shot. i hope the doc will switch me back, especially since im due for another shot next wednesday but imma ask to get back on subs instead. i hope he lets me. he should cuz its more structured anyways.
 
I've been very stupid and have smoked heroin since been prescribed subutex. :/ Should I wait till I'm in withdrawals and then go back on it?
 
nah, man. All was good when i first got it and then took subs for like 10 days. i had 0 cravings and now that im off subs i got RLS, sleep issues, cramps, and today i got the fucking shits man.

I went back before and asked for another week of subs and he said no cuz i dont need the shot and subs. This girl in my group was on the shot and went into withdraw even tho she didnt use for 4 months. ended up having to go to the hospital for IV ativan and some clonodine then they came back and she had to deal with it till last wednesday when her shot wore. She got hers 1/29 and i got mine 2/5. She warned me about it to and i told her i felt fine, which i did while on subs. no cravings for drinking (i have a horrible booze issue that goes right along with dope but havent had a drink since xmas) no cravings for opiates but after like 12-14 days i started getting shittier and shittier.

Im now back at work now and all this people that dealt me pills, got middlemanned from me, or whatever were asking me about roxis and bags the first day i came back from unemployment and they knew i was in this program. But this shot isnt helping cravings at all. sub works much better.

I did relapse on dope after 40 days of only subs back in november (this was while i was waiting to be seen by the doc. took till 12/11) but i think i wasnt as serious about staying clean as i am now. Im not drinking on top of subs, although i do smoke marijuana but no one at the place really cares bout that. I dont wanna use dope when i smoke but when i drink its the first thing i start thinking about so i no longer drink.

He put that girl back on subs but it took her 2 weeks to convince him. We were both on 8mg sub a day then the shot and now we both rather have subs. im sure we're not the only ones with this problem. Hes actually having a meeting with everyone that decided to try the shot to see our opinions so after he hears all the negative feed back maybe he will realize we were'nt bullshitting him. Dudes a fucking quack.
 
kace said:
I've been very stupid and have smoked heroin since been prescribed subutex. :/ Should I wait till I'm in withdrawals and then go back on it?
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Did you only use once or did you use for a couple days in a row? Because if it was only once, you should be able to get right back on the suboxone pretty easily. Waiting till you're in withdrawal is always the safe bet. If you went on a bit of a run though, even only a few days, it could make transitioning difficult.
 
The last 2 days I've been smoking it, and I haven't taken the subutex since Tuesday. Very disappointed in myself. :/
 
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