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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v3; 2010 - 2022

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^You seem to have bupe built up in your system already, and in this case you won't have to wait as long. I still recommend waiting a bit, but the bupe will more or less stay put. I recommend waiting because theoretically, the bupe could compete with the heroin at some receptors. Good thing heroin is so short acting!
 
Znegative said:
that's very strange, how long have you been on subutex? I ask because I sometimes feel the same way after the first 2-3 days after switching over from full agonists, but then again, I was always banging my suboxone so I figured it had to do with the sudden rush of the buprenorphine and perhaps the still dwindling ammount of heroin left on my receptors.

If you've been on subutex over a month I think it's probably in your head. However if you're like me (you metabolize bupe quickly)then it's possible that your just experiencing what happens when you dose too much on suboxone, which kind of depletes that energetic feeling or buzz that lower doses give you. But that should not affect your bowel movements other than giving you horrific constipation.

on another note, I've recently got a script for gabapentin, and for all of you on suboxone I highly reccomend it. I know that alot of people don't get much effect out of it, but I feel when mixed with buprenorphine it almost does the impossible, which is, it gives you almost a true full agonist effect. When i say that I dont mean it lightly either. Throughout all my time on buprenorphine and methadone I've tried to find the secret chemical combination that would give me and oxy or dope like effect. Usually I would do it with benzo's and amphetamines in different preportions, but I never felt as if that really compared. Gabapentin however (and I'm sure lyrica is even better) really comes close to creating this effect. It gives that stimulating oxy feel in reasonable dosages, and then it leads you off with true opiate nods. (when I say that I dont mean pass out like you do on too much xanax, I mean your head goes down, down, down, and then you jerk awake before you hit the table, and if your holding anything you keep dropping it.) I truly do condone this medication, I'm sure i'm not the first to have this revelation, but I just want to stress it. It's an easy script, and from what I hear, there is no cross tolerance, even between it and lyrica (though that could be untrue, I actually read that on a BL thread)
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First I'm happy for you in getting those kinda effects with the gabapentin/subs combination. I've been an addict most of my life but have never heard anything about gabapentin until coming here. So I read up on it mostly from here:

http://www.psycom.net/depression.central.gabapentin.html

It would seem to me that mixing subs with tramadol would be similar and that did nothing for me. In fact after much experimentation... the only thing I get a decent high with subs is alcohol and low dose benzo-xanax. Pot is a different story... sometime good but ususally it makes me to disoriented.

Are there any others here who get these good effects from gab/subs?

Do you have any friends that get the same effects?

I don't like the 3 way subs/benzo/booze but thats all I get a good mood and buzz from. And I can't drink much alcohol without eating and that kills it... and I refuse to start the cycle over again in the same day.
 
So yesterday i shot i think 4 m stamp 3s before about 2pm. Couldnt find anything for the rest of the day and id say around 10ish i shot 2mg of a sub and it felt like i was going to seriously die...

It felt as if i couldnt breath, my body tempature sky rocketed and i seriously started freaking out. I didnt want to go to the hospital cause i would have to reveal my secret of shooting. I was feeling like i was going to die for about 10 mins i would say (felt like a year) then i went straight into the worst withdraws i have ever had in my life.

The whole thing just doesnt make sense to me, i was started to withdraw when i shot the sub so i dont know why it plugged me into full on withdraws and im seriously freaked out about the body tempature and the whole feeling of not being able to breathe/blowing up from the inside..

Anybody had this happen before?
 
Yeah it's called precipitated withdrawal. The bupe ripped the remaining heroin from your opioid receptors causing you to go into instant and complete withdrawal. It appears you just didn't wait long enough into withdrawal before taking the suboxone. Did you not feel better after an hour or so once the bupe took over agonist action?

edit: also I see this is in the injection megathread so I'm going to move it over to the suboxone one for you.
 
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With Subs you need to wait. Personally, I had to go 24 hours+ without taking any opiates. I'm pretty sure my last was on a Thursday and I began my treatment on a Saturday afternoon (this was over a year ago). It was hell waiting but if you're in that bad if WD the subs put you on top of the world once you take them. Your experience happened because you took them too soon. A lot of people make the mistake and feel the first signs of WD and take them. It's just too soon. Give it a day of WD and then take them.

To others, like myself, that struggle with tapering down I have found that when you wait to take your first sub, it helps. For instance, I wake up and wait until around 11am-noon to take my first dose. At this point I'm not WDing but I'm at that point where I don't feel comfortable. Then I take 2mg of sub and it all goes away, and I get a little buzz out of it. Then towards the end of the day, around 4-5pm, I take my other 2mg. I used to take 2mg in the morning, 2mg in the afternoon and 2 at night. I realized that the morning dose didn't do much, if anything, and waiting helped.
 
Just got on suboxone and its a saviour! I'm so excited to stay clean and see how much better my life is going to be from it :D
 
Awesome kanyeknievel. When I first started I literally thought the world of Suboxone, and hell, I still do. I was literally spending thousands of dollars a month on my problem and it was out of control. Now I see the doctor every 2 months and live life normally. I've been tapering to try and get off, but I'm sure glad it has helped others.

My life was tied to my dealers and sometimes I would even take off work just so I could meet him when he was available. Just after (literally 3 days) of me starting my Suboxone he was arrested and sentenced to 6 months in prison. If I didn't start I would have been in hell.

Great job, and keep up the good work.
 
I've been tapering off of suboxone for a couple of weeks. I was on a high dose of methadone (not 200 mg, but it was high), and I've had a habit for at least 8 years so transferring onto suboxone was brutal. Two weeks ago I started at 4mg, then another 2 mg, in the afternoon. The next day I got 8, the day after 10. At that point I realized that increasing the amount wasn't helping--I was totally manic and had about 2 hours sleep in the span of 4 days. They took me down 2 mg one day and another 2 mg the next (leaving me at 6), figuring that I was reacting badly to the higher dose of bupe. I was still in withdrawal but nowhere near as bad as cold turkey on methadone. Still unable to sleep, still having some RLS.

After a few more days I went down to 4mg, then (against my doctor's advice) down to 2mg. To be honest, it doesn't feel any worse--it's just a constant insomnia and a bit of RLS (especially if I try to take something to sleep--everything makes the RLS worse it seems). I've been exercising, trying to eat good. My appetite is back, and my metabolism is finally waking up after its methadone slumber. I still don't sleep more than a couple of hours (some nights not at all), but I don't really care as I'm manic enough that the sleep deprivation isn't making me feel tired and as I said I am getting SOME sleep (I've been up for very long periods when detoxing).

My question: if none of the other tapers really registered with me, am I likely to go into significant withdrawal when I taper down to 1mg and then zero? Anyone else find reducing to 2mg fairly easy? I know the step to zero is always difficult, at least mentally, and that the last couple of tapers can be the worst. I'm trying to keep an open mind about it though, and I'm hoping it's just going to be more of the same (insomnia, mania, RLS, yawns, sneezes).
 
Mr.Mudd -

I find that the taper to ~1-2mg is really easy, and beyond that is slow, but don't just jump off at 1mg, taper down to like .25, then start skipping days, and before you know it, you'll be off.

Cire113 - Several members here report a small rush from suboxone when shooting, although it takes years for your tolerance to drop enough to where you will feel it if you are getting them for Opiate Dependence issues.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
But what did you do exactly?

Do you use the same spoon to prep your shot in as always?

If so, did you make sure to fully clean it out?

What water source are you using? Tap water can have bacteria in it (which can cause issues like those you experienced), but bottled water is 9 times out of 10 much worse.
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i used a clean spoon .. used a cotton .. have never used a micron filter but always use some type cotton.. (this was q tip i think,, with frest filtered water.. i just let it disole and aded a bit more water till i could pull it up then bang.. was ok for a sec tehn almost instantly had a bad stomach pain and then got sick lasted about an hr..

p,.p sorry for the funny forn .. my bad,, im mew to all this .. :)

Egeo_consilii said:
Hi everybody, this is my very first post on BL, although I've been a reader for some time now. I've now come to have a question, and due to the unique nature thereof, I think I need to ask it directly.

But first a little background-
I've been doing opiates/oids on and off for a couple years now. Every time after I make it a daily habit for 1 to 3 months, I always stop, go through withdrawals (they usually last between 3 and 7 days), and abstain from using for a month, or two, or sometimes even three. After that period I always seem to find my way back to them though. I start using maybe once or twice a month, which then escalates to once a week, two times a week, etc.. After awhile, though, it always escalates to daily use.

I've been on one of those "daily use" periods again, this time with Opana (oxymorphone) for about two months, with a daily use (insufflated), of 60-80mg. When I decided it was time to quit, a friend of mine suggested that I use Suboxone to ease off withdrawals. He made them out to be a quasi-magic pill, which I (naively) believed.

So, upon experiencing my first sign of withdrawals this time, I took the whole 8mg pill, sublingualy. It killed the worst of my w/d's, so I decided to learn more about it (I know, I should have looked first). I went onto this BL megathread, and learned about what it was. I didn't like the idea of tapering and everything, so afterwards I decided not to re-dose and just tough out the rest the old-fashioned way. My last dose of Opana was 7 days ago. My first dose of suboxone was 6 days ago, and then (as I said) I stopped. My w/d's persisted, and since I have school work to do, absolutely needed to sleep, and just felt overall bad, I decided 2 days ago to take 4mg sublingualy. I felt GREAT; no w/d's, I was able to function completely normally, sleep, do work, etc. One day ago I insuffliated 2mg, and today another 2mg.

Okay so now to my question-
I want to get this thing over with. If I just stop taking the Suboxone now, will I continue experiencing w/d's because I took these three Sub doses; i.e. will they return? I still have two 8mg pills left, but like I said, I just want this to be over and done with. However, I really don't want to withdraw anymore because of its ill side effects (sleep mostly, and profuse sweating, hot/cold flashes). Should I continue to taper with Sub, going down to 1mg or something for a few more days and then jump? If I do cease use of Sub tomorrow (since it's past 12 I suppose it's today), and my w/d's come back, how much longer does everyone think they will persist? If I were to taper to 1mg or less, will it ease the whole experience? I'm really lost here and I need help; I want to function normally enough to be able to do school, but I don't really want to keep on doing Subs, but if I have to so be it. Any advice will be really really appreciated! Thank You!

Tim
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this is exactly what boat im in stuck on subs.. i was offf... longest 4 or 5 days then went back to a 1 mg... but i try to stay off as long as i can sskip days,,, i did 4 mg today cause 1 mg. doesnt last as llong .. idk if its a good idea going from 1 mg yester day to 4 mg,.. i wass ok , ,, but could tell i would ned it later.. when i was out and about,.. so idk.. this probally doesnt hekp but taper till you may be on 2mgs for a while but that beats the hell out of doin .. opana.. mines h.. so ehh... but if you go as long as you can just take 1 mg to ease your self and i bet yoiull wake up next morning feeling good.. and thats an amazesing feeling four us opiate users..
 
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cire113 said:
Is there any rush at all or any feeling from shooting sub?
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You get a feeling in so as much you get a feeling from Suboxone and any of it's ROA's respective to bioavailability and time until onset of effects.

It's not a full agonist rush like IVing heroin. If this is what you're looking for out of it, I think you will be disappointed.

freakxfrolic@yahoo said:
i used a clean spoon .. used a cotton .. have never used a micron filter but always use some type cotton.. (this was q tip i think,, with frest filtered water.. i just let it disole and aded a bit more water till i could pull it up then bang.. was ok for a sec tehn almost instantly had a bad stomach pain and then got sick lasted about an hr..

p,.p sorry for the funny forn .. my bad,, im mew to all this .. :)
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Do you smoke cigarettes? If so, were you smoking a cigarette when you were preparing the shot?

Smoking tobacco around the area you are preparing a shot can be disastrous; tobacco ash can cause a dirty hit, which is apparently similar to what you experienced (I have never had a dirty hit).

When was the last time you used a full agonist opiate, respective to the time you IV'd the film strip?
 
Captain.Heroin said:
You get a feeling in so as much you get a feeling from Suboxone and any of it's ROA's respective to bioavailability and time until onset of effects.

It's not a full agonist rush like IVing heroin. If this is what you're looking for out of it, I think you will be disappointed.



Do you smoke cigarettes? If so, were you smoking a cigarette when you were preparing the shot?

Smoking tobacco around the area you are preparing a shot can be disastrous; tobacco ash can cause a dirty hit, which is apparently similar to what you experienced (I have never had a dirty hit).

When was the last time you used a full agonist opiate, respective to the time you IV'd the film strip?
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hey captain hope your ok, i need some sdvice, i have been off my methodone now for 3 wks so it should be out of my system, i got britlofex {lofexidine} from gp and some buscupan and vallies , qell me being a raging junkie i have been taking the meds but using a bag which is .2 a day, so now i got to stop the h, i have soe loperamide obviously, and a few dffs and a couple of vallies left, also i have just found an 8ml subbie, i was thinking of breaking it up into small bits and either under tounge or which ever is best roa, as well as taking the other meds, i know think that the meth rattle should have passed
can you give me any advice of the best way to do it, im working all wk end so ill be busy just as long as im not to sick i reckon 3 days should do it, any advice if i should use the sub in very small doses would be much appreciated, thanks man
 
I preferred the film as well when i was still on bupe. They definitely held me over long than tablets when taken sublingually. And cutting them up into little pieces and snorting that really does work, so if your hell bent on snorting just get out some scissors.
 
caseface99 said:
I preferred the film as well when i was still on bupe. They definitely held me over long than tablets when taken sublingually. And cutting them up into little pieces and snorting that really does work, so if your hell bent on snorting just get out some scissors.
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Never thought of it that way, I actually cut them up into little pieces and use the little pieces sublingually.

Call me crazy, but I like the taste
 
It's definitely a better taste than the tablets I'll give you that. Shit used to make me gag back when i first started taking it, after 2 years you get used to it though.
 
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