Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v3; 2010 - 2022

[ohnoimscared]

The sub is giving me strange feelings in my head... pressure in my ears.
Uhmm.. Well, actually, it made me feel.. NORMAL.

Well, I was using an opana 40 maybe every 3 days, other than that, all 30s.
Then, the 2nd to last week of my illicit use, I went up to using 1 opana 40 a day.
Then, the last week of my illicit use, I went up to using 2 opana 40s a day.

So, the 16mg bupe, is probably not that high for me, because of the opana use that started literally 2 weeks before I began suboxone!!

So, should I just.. drop down to 4mg tomorrow..
Then, 2mg the next day...
Then, go a day without suboxone, and go back to a perc 30 a day?
I wont experience any SERIOUS withdrawal?

If I feel i need it, 0mg a day? Is that supposed to be a joke?
Because it made me crack up? Do they really have 0mg bupe pill?

Anyways... Is it possible for me to get back to pills in like.. 4-5 days, without going thru any serious withdrawal from the bupe??

mod note: if you have something to add please edit your previous post instead of making another one
Dear Amapola, I hope you meant that if I have something to add to THESE particular questions, edit this post. I hope my post below is OK? Sorry if it is not.

 

[dokomo]

^what they're just trying to say is, dropping to a lower dose of bupe and then tapering from there will be much easier than switching back to full agonists and trying to taper.

 

[amapola]

So, the 16mg bupe, is probably not that high for me, because of the opana use that started literally 2 weeks before I began suboxone!!

16mg of bupe is still high compared to 80mg of opana daily for only a week. You should try and drop your bupe as much as possible now before your body gets too used to it at a high level.

I think you need to clarify ohnoimscared if you are trying to get clean now or still want to get high on pills everyday?

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

smart ass when i said 0mg/day it means NO OPIATES.. NOT a 0mg pill.

 

[ohnoimscared]

1. SO, if I can get myself down to 2mg of suboxone, and I maintain that... Can I jump over to using a percocet 30mg a day, with little to no withdrawal from the suboxone?

or.. for those of you that have switched from suboxone to kratom...

2. SO, if I can get myself down to 2mg of suboxone, and I maintain that... Can I jump over to using 1g of Ultra Enhanced Indonesian (UEI) a day with little to no withdrawal from suboxone? Or should I taper to an even LOWER sub dose before I even THINK about using kratom?

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

1. SO, if I can get myself down to 2mg of suboxone, and I maintain that... Can I jump over to using a percocet 30mg a day, with little to no withdrawal from the suboxone?

or.. for those of you that have switched from suboxone to kratom...

2. SO, if I can get myself down to 2mg of suboxone, and I maintain that... Can I jump over to using 1g of Ultra Enhanced Indonesian (UEI) a day with little to no withdrawal from suboxone? Or should I taper to an even LOWER sub dose before I even THINK about using kratom?

ok so now it is completely clear to me that you want to keep getting high so all the other messages where i gave you GOOD advice to get clean and straighten your life out are pointless..
You can start the kratom while you are on subs and just take 1g 3X day of UEI and then repeat the next day with no subs and adjust your kratom dose to fit.. this is a harm reduction board so i am not giving you advice for switching from a drug to get you off opiates(subs) back onto opiates (like the 30's).

 

[ohnoimscared]

ughh, THANK YOU Hdouble.
No, i do NOT want to use illegal drugs anymore.
I idealy want to get back to KRATOM
Its been SUCH A STRUGGLE these past 9 months.
I was just an idiot that, wanted to keep his job, didnt want to be "uncomfortable"
fuck that. I'm FINE with a little withdrawal, I just wanna be back to kratom!!

I am SO TIRED of having to worry about "scoring" and having to worry about withdrawal!
I cant wait to get back to kratom. Thank u!

 

[Cane2theLeft]

I'm not sure how much the low doses of oxy would help the bupe withdrawals but in general, oxy will help/stop (in sufficient doses) bupe withdrawals.

If you're taking 4-8mg bupe daily that is a pretty high dose, I think you might need more than 50-60mg but I'd be hesitant to recommend more in case it IS too much.

I'll send this to OD's bupe mega thread where all the experts on the subject hang out.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

^huh? this wasn't already in the bupe mega thread? i thought it was.. ahh i dont know where i am thanks Cane lol

 

[Cane2theLeft]

^that's the problem with merging threads... they merge in chronological order. This post below was in BDD and I responded then merged the thread into here but it split my post and his up...

OK guys so I plan on going off the Suboxone to switch onto Oxycodone temporarily. I think that I'm going to wait 48 hours.

I have been taking the Suboxone for a couple years and have not used any other opiate since then. I've decided I want to have some fun. I think I deserve it.

Now, I can go 24 hours without the Suboxone easily but its once I get to 36 hours I start to feel shitty. First question: Can I take a small dose, like 10mg of oxycodone every six hours to help the withdrawals from Suboxone? Remember, the plan is to go 48 hours or a little longer before I use a recreational dose. I'm wondering, will oxycodone help the BUPRENORPHINE withdrawals? Obviously I know it would for any other opiate. Once I make it to "48 hours" my second question is this: if I haven't used ANY other opiate in a coupe years other than the Suboxone at 4-8mg daily would I feel the effects of 50-60mg oxycodone?

So basically wondering if I could use 5-10mg of oxycodone a few times once I've made it to 36 hours and then once I make it to 48 hours will like 60mg get me high? And I haven't used in a couple years. Also, for those who have been on Suboxone and done similar, was 48-52 hours enough for you to feel "most of" the effects? I know people say up to 72 hours but must you really wait that long to start to feel the majority of the effects?

I don't want to hear people tell me to stay clean. This is only temporarily until the bottle runs out.

Can we get some advice for this guy?

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

K'd out - Basically yes to all your questions.

I was on subs for 4 years and just came off a little over a month ago and i take .5-1mg bupe or 200-300mg tramadol or 5grams of red,white&green extract kratom. And i get effects off all of them even tho the reason i take them is for back pain. and i make sure i never use 2 days in a row even if im in excruciating pain, i will just take some ibuprofen.. i usually take one of the 3 every 3-4 days and have no dependence but still consider myself mentally addicted since i like the thought of getting high.

Have you considered coming off of suboxone by tapering down to 2mg then 1mg, .5 then .25mg if needed then jump off and experience a little w/d? because it is totally worth it. I jumped of at 2mg/day w/d'd for 1 week (completely manageable) and am no longer dependent on opiates for the first time in 7 or so years!

If you came off the subs you could just use opiates when you feel like it and not need to worry about precip. w/d's and shit like that, or the bupe blocking the full agonist.
Life feels so much better clean.
I'm not preaching just giving you my point of view since i came off it.

And right now i am going through kpin w/d but im handling it well.. i have a few left over but haven't caved and taken any and am just fighting my way through w/'s.. i consider w/d's a challenge and if you get through it, it makes you stronger and gives you a sense of accomplishment and gives you control of your life back.

 

[ohnoimscared]

ughh I cant believe im seeing people saying 4-8mg of bupe is HIGH.
WHY am I on 16mg? Is my doctor corrupt? I didnt LIE during intake??
He just told me to take UP TO 2 8mg pills, and, I took one, didnt feel great...
Figured I'd take another...

Came back 2 days later and told him I was taking 2 8mg pills a day, he said "ok good"
as if.. that was completely normal.. for someone in my situation?

and.. Can2theleft? Ur saying 30mg perc wouldnt stop withdrawal from 4-8mg of bupe??
Jeez, so how the hell will "3g UEI" help me get off 16mg?
I feel SO confused, like, the human race doesnt give a FUCK about me!
I guess I just need to withdraw and figure shit out for myself. -__-

I will take Cane2theLeft's help.. I am going to only do ONE 8mg pill today.
I am going to TRY to cut that in half saturday. (4mg)
I am going to try to stay on 4mg until my GIGANTIC SHIPMENT of UEI arrives.
I am going to taper down to 2mg of bupe the day I get my UEI.
I am going to take 3g of UEI (as needed) along with the 2mg bupe for a day or 2.
Maybe I will taper off the bupe, onto the kratom from there...
OR... I will try to just get onto the kratom period.

I feel SO anxious right now.. My head is ALL fucked up.. I must be withdrawling right NOW.
...this is SUCH a fucked up situation, in my opinion.

I just wanna get knocked unconscious for a year and wake up OK.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

ughh I cant believe im seeing people saying 4-8mg of bupe is HIGH.
WHY am I on 16mg? Is my doctor corrupt? I didnt LIE during intake??
He just told me to take UP TO 2 8mg pills, and, I took one, didnt feel great...
Figured I'd take another...

Came back 2 days later and told him I was taking 2 8mg pills a day, he said "ok good"
as if.. that was completely normal.. for someone in my situation?

and.. Can2theleft? Ur saying 30mg perc wouldnt stop withdrawal from 4-8mg of bupe??
Jeez, so how the hell will "3g UEI" help me get off 16mg?
I feel SO confused, like, the human race doesnt give a FUCK about me!
I guess I just need to withdraw and figure shit out for myself. -__-

I will take Cane2theLeft's help.. I am going to only do ONE 8mg pill today.
I am going to TRY to cut that in half saturday. (4mg)
I am going to try to stay on 4mg until my GIGANTIC SHIPMENT of UEI arrives.
I am going to taper down to 2mg of bupe the day I get my UEI.
I am going to take 3g of UEI (as needed) along with the 2mg bupe for a day or 2.
Maybe I will taper off the bupe, onto the kratom from there...
OR... I will try to just get onto the kratom period.

I feel SO anxious right now.. My head is ALL fucked up.. I must be withdrawling right NOW.
...this is SUCH a fucked up situation, in my opinion.

I just wanna get knocked unconscious for a year and wake up OK.

i said 1g 3x/day while you were still taking subs and explicitly said adjust your UEI dose once you stop subs. Meaning you will need more. 8)

 

[Cane2theLeft]

ohnoimscared- I was responding to k'dout, it just displayed out of order.

Basically people don't get stronger opioid effects beyond the 2-4mg ceiling but larger doses can have a blockade effect for longer and that's why many doctors prescribe doses that high (that and ignorance).

Most people can cut down to 4mg or even less relatively easily and quickly (note* MOST, not all).

Basic rule of thumb- the more gradually you taper, the less painful and more sustainable it will be.

 

[muvolution]

ughh I cant believe im seeing people saying 4-8mg of bupe is HIGH.
WHY am I on 16mg? Is my doctor corrupt? I didnt LIE during intake??
He just told me to take UP TO 2 8mg pills, and, I took one, didnt feel great...
Figured I'd take another...

Came back 2 days later and told him I was taking 2 8mg pills a day, he said "ok good"
as if.. that was completely normal.. for someone in my situation?

and.. Can2theleft? Ur saying 30mg perc wouldnt stop withdrawal from 4-8mg of bupe??
Jeez, so how the hell will "3g UEI" help me get off 16mg?
I feel SO confused, like, the human race doesnt give a FUCK about me!
I guess I just need to withdraw and figure shit out for myself. -__-

I will take Cane2theLeft's help.. I am going to only do ONE 8mg pill today.
I am going to TRY to cut that in half saturday. (4mg)
I am going to try to stay on 4mg until my GIGANTIC SHIPMENT of UEI arrives.
I am going to taper down to 2mg of bupe the day I get my UEI.
I am going to take 3g of UEI (as needed) along with the 2mg bupe for a day or 2.
Maybe I will taper off the bupe, onto the kratom from there...
OR... I will try to just get onto the kratom period.

I feel SO anxious right now.. My head is ALL fucked up.. I must be withdrawling right NOW.
...this is SUCH a fucked up situation, in my opinion.

I just wanna get knocked unconscious for a year and wake up OK.

I don't really find that you need to taper with bupe, except at the end. like just go from 16mg to 2-4mg and you will probably be fine. You are never going to feel totally comfortable-that's the psychological part that drugs don't help with.

 

[K'd-OUT-in-AZ]

^that's the problem with merging threads... they merge in chronological order. This post below was in BDD and I responded then merged the thread into here but it split my post and his up...

OK guys so I plan on going off the Suboxone to switch onto Oxycodone temporarily. I think that I'm going to wait 48 hours.

I have been taking the Suboxone for a couple years and have not used any other opiate since then. I've decided I want to have some fun. I think I deserve it.

Now, I can go 24 hours without the Suboxone easily but its once I get to 36 hours I start to feel shitty. First question: Can I take a small dose, like 10mg of oxycodone every six hours to help the withdrawals from Suboxone? Remember, the plan is to go 48 hours or a little longer before I use a recreational dose. I'm wondering, will oxycodone help the BUPRENORPHINE withdrawals? Obviously I know it would for any other opiate. Once I make it to "48 hours" my second question is this: if I haven't used ANY other opiate in a coupe years other than the Suboxone at 4-8mg daily would I feel the effects of 50-60mg oxycodone?

So basically wondering if I could use 5-10mg of oxycodone a few times once I've made it to 36 hours and then once I make it to 48 hours will like 60mg get me high? And I haven't used in a couple years. Also, for those who have been on Suboxone and done similar, was 48-52 hours enough for you to feel "most of" the effects? I know people say up to 72 hours but must you really wait that long to start to feel the majority of the effects?

I don't want to hear people tell me to stay clean. This is only temporarily until the bottle runs out.

Can we get some advice for this guy?

This is also the problem with having my stuff merged, nobody reads it. Thanks to the response Hdouble. So you see my questions and mine to you are the same but most importantly 1. Advice from those who have switched from Suboxone onto another opiate to use it recreationally, is 48 hours enough time? And 2. So your telling me taking 10mg of oxycodone every 8 hours will help the symptoms of the bupe withdrawals? I know not to use full mu agonists along with partial ones but wanted to know if it has already been over 24 hours will it be okay to start helping the symptoms. And finally 3. I haven't taken a single opiate other than Suboxone the last couple years and at 4-8mg. So when I'm 48 hours off, will roughly 50-60mg of oxycodone get me high?

 

[blazelaser]

Bupe is harm-reduction or harm induction therapy because of its huge down regulation?

Hey!

I had an accident with accident undone and because of bupe my opioid receptores down-regulated. I gave bupe up for months and I still 450mg of codeine or 100mg morphine IV is not makes high or any buzz...

Suboxone is veri complicated substance and if you think to start buperenorphine therapy think twice. When you accidentally need emergency surgical operations and you would like to stay alive your mu opioid response to all opioids. Stay away suboxone or subutex.

Like I said I 450mg codeine for j am surgury and it does not work. So dentist do 100mg morphine IV. and It did not work again.

This issue is not just dependence or buzz or high.

Down regulation (kills) opioid receptors (especially mu1) is mean for an individuals is nor unable enkoy sex, sport, life as normal human being.

Fulla gonist or full antagonist does not that way as buperenorphine. I find some pharmacological research for proving this theroriy is exist. BUT...

IS IT CAPITALISM? Addicts is not suffering for jyst dependence. It suffering capitalist black illegalmarket od substance also. Ans some true research does NOT reach to doctors, patient, people Because it conducted markets who managed drug labels.

I experience my down regulation of mu1 receptorwith buperenorphine since along six monthh 8 mg/a day (not a long term therapy, not a hgh dose therapy fo this indication for statement of reckitt benciser -manufacturer label-

I'm worried about this situation is chronic. And If I won't rocover for down regulation I will open a trial with law and as a more functional movement I will orginesed another people and patient who had sema experience.

If you take suboxone I advice (from sub a sub user) use the most little dose as you can. For pain bupe dose is micrograms. For indication opiate dependency is used to high dose bupe therapy and . Science considered 2MG Bupe is HIGH DOSE!

Be cautious and aware. Capitalism can kill you than Heroin! Methadone therapy is never did not office-based and prscriptioned therapy. Soi it dos not work meantime. Science gave up dihydrocodeine time release tavlets for addiction mainintenence therapy. Suboxone is new capitalist cartel. Cure? Yes. But diminised info can harm you when you need ham reduction.

 

[K'd-OUT-in-AZ]

This is also the problem with having my stuff merged, nobody reads it. Thanks to the response Hdouble. So you see my questions and mine to you are the same but most importantly 1. Advice from those who have switched from Suboxone onto another opiate to use it recreationally, is 48 hours enough time? And 2. So your telling me taking 10mg of oxycodone every 8 hours will help the symptoms of the bupe withdrawals? I know not to use full mu agonists along with partial ones but wanted to know if it has already been over 24 hours will it be okay to start helping the symptoms. And finally 3. I haven't taken a single opiate other than Suboxone the last couple years and at 4-8mg. So when I'm 48 hours off, will roughly 50-60mg of oxycodone get me high?

Anyone?

 

[muvolution]

Dude, I'd just go through the withdrawals so the OC hits you faster.

 

[Pegasus]

Anyone?

Everyone is different when it comes to this. Some of us would feel that strongly, some of us wouldn't. It's really hard to say if you haven't experimented with opiates and bupe at all yet... Once you try your first dose, you'll have a better idea of your personal body and amount needed to block effects.

I will say that most of us that can go back and forth with bupe use lower doses, like 2mg or less...