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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v3; 2010 - 2022

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I iv'd my last sliver this morning. It was prolly 1mg. I'm dead broke and even tho I have a friend who will throw me slivers every few days, I've decided I dont wanna constantly feel like shit anymore as I've switched back and forth between heroin and suboxone so many times that the tiny amount that I can afford on a daily basis doesnt even make me well anymore. So I'm gonna try to get my hands on some neurontin to help the restlessness tomorrow hopefully.

12 hours after my last dose and as of right now all I have is a slight icky feeling and my legs are restless but nothing too crazy just yet. I'm hoping that because I've been IVing suboxone for the last few months, and IV significantly affects the half-life, that maybe I'll be out of the worst of this in a week or so, I think I can handle that.

My only question would be, after day 3 or so of not having ANY suboxone, if you guys think it would be ok for me to take a naltrexone to possibly get the rest off my receptors in one fell swoop and maybe even shorten the wd's to even less than they would be from regular IV suboxone use. I doubt anyone knows but its worth a shot.


Lastly; I wanna thank everyone here for sharing their stories of sucessful suboxone tapers for giving me the courage to make this leap. I'll post any progress or setbacks in here if I can. Wish me luck! :)
 
No offense to anyone here, but where are you getting the idea that the strips are weaker than the pills? They obviously have the exact same amount of buprenorphine and are supposed to have a significantly higher BA when taken sublingually than the pills. Supposedly because they are more readily absorbed by the blood vessels under your tongue and you don't end up swallowing as much because they dissolve quicker. The thing I don't like about them is that they immediately stick to whatever part of your mouth they hit first. If you fuck up putting them under your tongue, you're fucked!

The way Suboxone is IMO.....if you're one these people that can't handle getting from 4mg to 2mg, you're really gonna have problems when you get down to zero...I don't really have much of problem with them at all until I stop taking them altogether....

The thing with Sub WD is how long it lasts. The night-time going into the early morning is the when the symptoms get the worst but if you can manage to actually force yourself to get moving in the morning the symptoms aren't that bad during the day....they just keep coming and going for a good 2-3 weeks. If you're prone to depression it can be harder because there's a lot of overlap of the symptoms of depression and WD. Body aches, anxiety etc. And if you just sit there and let yourself get more depressed, you're gonna convince yourself that it's PAWS or whatever and it's gonna snowball and you just end up mind-fucking yourself...

Once I am able to fall asleep for a little while, I always have the worst symptoms when I wake up...Watery eyes, chills, aches etc. Eventually you end up sleeping and wake up feeling okay...At that point it's pretty much over...Ya gotta remember though, there's a lot of people who hate their lives and feel like shit who aren't going through opiate WD...It's not easy to do a complete 180 and live a straight life...

I personally like 12 step meetings for a few months at a time, but I can't spend the rest of my life dwelling on the fact that I'm an "addict" and just talking about it all the time....If you've reached the point that your whole social life and your only interests revolve around drugs it can really suck....finding other things that are fun to you is very important...

I think most addicts have a very low threshold for tolerating boredom...the quickest cure for boredom is getting high, but then eventually even getting high becomes boring....and expensive!
 
the reason I, myself, didnt like the strips at first and found them weaker, was because I was snorting the 8mg orange tablets and then obviously could not do that with the strips, so at first I also thought they were weaker too.
 
Personally I'd be scared to experiment with Naltrexone....they use it in that rapid detox and that's supposed to suck! They gave it to a guy a couple days into an alcohol detox once that I saw, and that guy checked himself out of detox because it was making him feel shitty!

I just don't trust the antagonist drugs.....

The other thing, I know that if you do happen to OD and buprenorphine is involved, supposedly the naloxone doesn't work all that well for knocking the bupe off the receptors.

In that study, 7 people who got the naltrexone on day 2 said "Fuck that, see ya later!"...
 
BlueHues said:
Personally I'd be scared to experiment with Naltrexone....they use it in that rapid detox and that's supposed to suck! They gave it to a guy a couple days into an alcohol detox once that I saw, and that guy checked himself out of detox because it was making him feel shitty!

I just don't trust the antagonist drugs.....

The other thing, I know that if you do happen to OD and buprenorphine is involved, supposedly the naloxone doesn't work all that well for knocking the bupe off the receptors.

In that study, 7 people who got the naltrexone on day 2 said "Fuck that, see ya later!"...
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Multiple continuous infusions of naloxone has effect but as you said the binding affinity is much higher.
 
How's everyone doing?

I have been living a very busy life as of recent and wanted to apologize for not responding in a more timely fashion.

I <3 you all and I hope everyone is making great progress.

Just wondering if anyone here has experienced or witnessed an allergic reaction to Suboxone. What were the symptoms?, etc.
 
I see they were giving suboxone sublingually in that study, and then giving them naltrexone the next day. THATS scary.

I have a friend who was cheeking the naltrexone his dad gave him every morning, so he could take suboxone he bought off the street (2 8mg pills a day) and one day his dad caught on and said 'you didnt swallow that'. after taking 16mg of suboxone daily for a few months, he took 50mg of naltrexone and was thrown into what sounded like an instant horror movie for the next few days. I felt SO BAD when he told me.

my situation is a bit different because I've been IVing since february and after noticing how much drastically shorter the half life is when IV'd, I came up with the brilliant idea to see if I can stop for a few days, then maybe take naltrexone. I've heard the half life can be as low as 3 hours and judging by how fast I feel like shit after I dose, I'd have to agree. so HOPEFULLY I can wait 72 hours after my last Iv dose, pop some naltrexone, maybe have a shitty day but nothing too bad, and be done with this nightmare thats lasted almost 5 years.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
How's everyone doing?

I have been living a very busy life as of recent and wanted to apologize for not responding in a more timely fashion.

I <3 you all and I hope everyone is making great progress.

Just wondering if anyone here has experienced or witnessed an allergic reaction to Suboxone. What were the symptoms?, etc.
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What's up man? I know you're pretty damn knowledgeable about opiates of all kinds and especially Suboxone, so I assume you've researched this online. At one point when I was being prescribed Suboxone, I had what I'd definitely call a "legitimate allergic reaction" to Suboxone! It actually turned out to be a good thing because, I had no insurance at the time and I was able to switch to generic Subutex which was half the price of Suboxone....none of that pesky Naloxone either!;)

The symptoms were as follows:
About 15-30 minutes after taking my suboxone sublingually I would start to feel a "flushed" feeling in my face. This would be accompanied by a queasy feeling in my stomach that would lead to sometimes explosive diarrhea. The flushed feeling in my face would progress to a hot itchy feeling on my body, particularly my arms and thighs. Sometimes my face would turn red, sometimes not....but between the itching, the flushed face, the queasy stomach and the diarrhea, it was very unpleasant to endure, although it only lasted 45-minutes to an hour....Hope that helps you out dude!
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I see they were giving suboxone sublingually in that study, and then giving them naltrexone the next day. THATS scary.

I have a friend who was cheeking the naltrexone his dad gave him every morning, so he could take suboxone he bought off the street (2 8mg pills a day) and one day his dad caught on and said 'you didnt swallow that'. after taking 16mg of suboxone daily for a few months, he took 50mg of naltrexone and was thrown into what sounded like an instant horror movie for the next few days. I felt SO BAD when he told me.

my situation is a bit different because I've been IVing since february and after noticing how much drastically shorter the half life is when IV'd, I came up with the brilliant idea to see if I can stop for a few days, then maybe take naltrexone. I've heard the half life can be as low as 3 hours and judging by how fast I feel like shit after I dose, I'd have to agree. so HOPEFULLY I can wait 72 hours after my last Iv dose, pop some naltrexone, maybe have a shitty day but nothing too bad, and be done with this nightmare thats lasted almost 5 years.
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Even with IV, I'd still be scared on day 3 to fuck with Naltrexone! I wouldn't do it at all myself, but if I was to do it...I'd be lookin more at 5 day mark....but I experience a long acute WD phase even with heroin.
 
Ya this heat sucking life out of me along withdrawls. Feel like I 75 years old. My gun shot up leg all hurting. Thers no way I sleeping ever again. Taking large doses of benzos not doing anything at all. Need to move north til I feel better. This sucks.
 
Maybe because bup doesn't produce the same harshness of withdrawals heroin, the naltrexone helps? one issue I have with that is how is naltrexone going to get the bup withdrawals over and done with when bup has long lasting withdrawals? perhaps its better to take the naltrexone after a 1 month of stopping the bup?
 
Captain.Heroin said:
How's everyone doing?

I have been living a very busy life as of recent and wanted to apologize for not responding in a more timely fashion.

I <3 you all and I hope everyone is making great progress.

Just wondering if anyone here has experienced or witnessed an allergic reaction to Suboxone. What were the symptoms?, etc.
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My biggest problem was that the left side of my body would go completely dead, mostly my left arm. I'd have to shake it with my other arm to get more blood flowing to it. I'd get intense migraines, and they developed quickly into my brain just not functioning properly. I'd be stating something simple, and I'd drop out in mid-sentence with no memory of what I was talking about. I didn't ever have chest pains until I used suboxone. It almost felt like a splinter was shoved in and out of my chest, and a lot of paranoia. I also would get flushed and have diarrhea(diarrheabides:)). If I was outside working, I would throw up at least once in the morning, and I would be extremely light headed during the heat of the day.

I wouldn't consider these 'allergic' reactions...just common negatives from naloxone intake. Most of these side-effects went away once I switched to Subutex, and I'm not a woman nor pregnant. My chest pains slowly went away, but not without the feeling of panic attacks integrated, in what seemed as a recovery period.
 
That sounds like how I feeling. Lightheaded and no energy. Do people die from sub withdrawls if not done prperly? I done with doctors in nyc and subs. The game is all money for them and headaches for us.
 
RodRamsey said:
That sounds like how I feeling. Lightheaded and no energy. Do people die from sub withdrawls if not done prperly? I done with doctors in nyc and subs. The game is all money for them and headaches for us.
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I have heard few do die from this PAWS which sub users feel when they stop sub, well it's more like suicide according to some cases I've read. Does not seem encouraging for me or other sub users trying to get off subs.
 
^ Depends on your tolerance to both drugs. If you have some tolerance to BZDs and 2mg of lorazepam is a normal dose you'd take and you're maintained on 2mg Suboxone, then this is no problem. But if you're asking this, then you probably have no tolerance to BZDs... And lorazepam is one of the most amnesic and strong in feeling BZDs for benzo-naive people from what I've seen. You may take less, like 1mg.
 
Universal_General said:
I have heard few do die from this PAWS which sub users feel when they stop sub, well it's more like suicide according to some cases I've read. Does not seem encouraging for me or other sub users trying to get off subs.
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Ya I hear that, the depression can do bad things to people in recovery. The sub wds I not soo worried about. Suddenly they not bad at all but I did 3 week taper down to .5. My new issue is realizing the massive benzo tolerance I developed. Going to try similar rapid taper. I not one to dilly dally its either going to kill me or I kill it being this benzo dependance. Opiate and benzo wds are soo radically different. I think the benzos way worse. Subs wds seem like a joke now after seeing the predicament I in.
 
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^ Depends on your tolerance to both drugs. If you have some tolerance to BZDs and 2mg of lorazepam is a normal dose you'd take and you're maintained on 2mg Suboxone, then this is no problem. But if you're asking this, then you probably have no tolerance to BZDs... And lorazepam is one of the most amnesic and strong in feeling BZDs for benzo-naive people from what I've seen. You may take less, like 1mg.
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i take 2mg ativans frequently so i would say i have a tolerance. i've just never taken it with suboxone so i wanted to make sure it was safe. i ended up popping it just now since i took the suboxone like 15 hours ago anyway. but i beg to differ. i don't find ativan to be as amnesic or as strong as xanax or klonopin...
 
Your all good, if your healthy taking benzo/sub mix not as dangerous as doctors would like you to think. I not advocating this and actually recomend not mixing because the combined effect will get at you bad in the long run. Your going to end up needing both. Trust me pick 1 and stick with it. Subs work for sleep just like benzos. If you combine now you in a new level of trouble. Cant take one without the other then wds immediate if you stop one. If you doing the mix stay real low dose but you really dont want to go down that road. I did the mix long time and huge mistake, possibly my final mistake. You catch my drift? Not sure how this going to turn out.
 
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