Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v3; 2010 - 2022

[mydrugbuddy]

yeah, i know, and agree. I'm sure that im feeling far better than i would have if i'd just quit cold turkey.

 

[brownshirt]

With me it depends on how much bupe vs. time passed.
I have dosed 4mg of subox @ 7AM and then used 30MG of morphine @5PM. got the pins and needles and all that.. My prescribed dose of sub is 8MG 3 times per day. But that honestly is way too much. I actually take 4MG in the AM them 4MG after dinner. But when I wake up to make coffee I am in withdrawal.

 

[Nicsdragon]

Why take subs if your doing H in the same hr? Are u using the subs so u don't go through WD or are you trying to quit? Doesn't make much sense.

 

[opiatekrzy]

you can totally still get high if u take an 8mg sub, and get high hours later that day, hell i had taken 2 subs one morning, and shot dope around 3pm, and got high as shit, but normally u shuld wait 24hrs to do an opiate if u stop sub

 

[DickTate]

Morning mdb,

Great to hear that your switch was relatively painless although I am pretty sure that 1mg-1,5mg would suffice but whatever.
Yes, stimulation is pretty common with Bupe and one of the main reasons why I like it. I also agree with the big pschological part regarding opiate WD.

From my experience it was very easy to taper down the Buprenorphine from 1mg to 0,4 where I jumped last time.
Now I had two opiate free days but still one 0,4mg tablet here which I am very tempted to use since I slept like 3 hours last night...

Can anyone comment on the potential success of prolonging the intervalls between taking your dose before finally jumping off?

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Cheers for the confirmation. At least Im sure the pills are genuine now. They are extremely well made, stamped proffessionally with "B2", and the the blister strips look totally kosher too. As im not into IV I've snorted 1 quarter of a pill (against all advice) for the higher bioavailabilty and possibilty of a buzz and sublingualed an other quarter, as that might last longer, i dunno. It looks like the ROA makes a big difference to the bioavailibilty and snorting could lead to a bupe problem if you're not careful, but I'm totally determined to stick to the taper plan ive drawn up.

EDIT: I think you may be right DT, 1 mg all at once is very very strong, i definately should not have had a coffee with it this morning. Feeling a bit jittery and over stimulated now. 1mg may be enough now that it seems to be building up in my body.

 

[geraggh34]

I don't know what in the hell to do anymore I'm 20 years old about to get a promotion into management at my job. I'm tired of getting bupe off the street and on top f that I take 1mg of clonazepam a month since I quit using heroin in January 2012 and have taken it every day since getting bupe off the street since.

My problem is the clonazepam I get is not RXed and Im having a real hard time gettin inducted anywhere because of it I'm too afraid to taper off the benzos alone and need to figure something out fast.

I can't keep going around with a insulin syringe with the tip off and my non rxed bupe.

I just wanted to see if anyone had any pOssible suggestions or advice.

Also can I get in trouble with the law carrying an insulin syringe if the needle tip is broken off? Baby syringes are too big and don't seem efficient as I'm now snorting my bupe and quit IVing them a couple months ago..

Ugh this is a nightmare

 

[Brose]

Morning mdb,

Great to hear that your switch was relatively painless although I am pretty sure that 1mg-1,5mg would suffice but whatever.
Yes, stimulation is pretty common with Bupe and one of the main reasons why I like it. I also agree with the big pschological part regarding opiate WD.

From my experience it was very easy to taper down the Buprenorphine from 1mg to 0,4 where I jumped last time.
Now I had two opiate free days but still one 0,4mg tablet here which I am very tempted to use since I slept like 3 hours last night...

Can anyone comment on the potential success of prolonging the intervalls between taking your dose before finally jumping off?

Absolutely. Taking 4mg one day and skipping the next is the same as taking 2mg daily. So, no matter what dose youre at, the less often you dose the better off you'll be.

 

[Oxy8_8]

I was watching an episode of "Intervention" the other say and the subject, Sandra, was a prescription medication addict who took a combination of anti-depressants, anti-psychotics, pain killers, sleeping pills and opiate blockers.

She took suboxone, but she also took Opana ER (twice a day as intended and let the slow-release work correctly) and various immediate-release pain pills such as roxycodone, vicodin, etc.

My question is: how did the suboxone not knock her into withdrawal when she was taking the opiate pain killers? And how come they still worked? And why would she "abuse" suboxone? What abuse potential could it possibly have (she took all her medication as prescribed, btw, no injecting, snorting, even chewing)? It's left me so confused. And pain pills were her favorite (apart from maybe seroquel). So took oxys, percocet, vicadin, even alzaselter-plus constantly.

Any explanations??

 

[DickTate]

Absolutely. Taking 4mg one day and skipping the next is the same as taking 2mg daily. So, no matter what dose youre at, the less often you dose the better off you'll be.

Thanks Brose, that gives me a little more confidence with my plan although the first abstinent days repeat themselves this way.
But it was the boredom and PAWS which got me last time, the acute phase is manageable at my doses. Still shit but not unbearable.

 

[Brose]

At the point you're at, I imagine taking a 0.5mg sliver of a pill would be an effective daily dose for fighting off PAWS. Then try every two days, then three days. Eventually youll get to a point where you no longer need to take it at all. Just keep cutting your dose in half until its at 0.5mg/day and then eventually moving to every other day, then continuing to decrease either your dose or rate of intake.

edit - just so I dont look like a hypocrite... i personally have not yet attempted this, but it is how i plan to come off, if ever. It is logically the least harsh way on the body.

 

[DrinksWithEvil]

I was watching an episode of "Intervention" the other say and the subject, Sandra, was a prescription medication addict who took a combination of anti-depressants, anti-psychotics, pain killers, sleeping pills and opiate blockers.

She took suboxone, but she also took Opana ER (twice a day as intended and let the slow-release work correctly) and various immediate-release pain pills such as roxycodone, vicodin, etc.

My question is: how did the suboxone not knock her into withdrawal when she was taking the opiate pain killers? And how come they still worked? And why would she "abuse" suboxone? What abuse potential could it possibly have (she took all her medication as prescribed, btw, no injecting, snorting, even chewing)? It's left me so confused. And pain pills were her favorite (apart from maybe seroquel). So took oxys, percocet, vicadin, even alzaselter-plus constantly.

Any explanations??

because its intervention

 

[Ian937]

Im tired of being on subs

 

[manboychef]

^^^^tell your doctor your ready to taper and jump



I went back to subs on day eight. Ugh the paws is ridiculous. I am seeking psychiatric help and getting my mental state stable before I try again.

To all that can handle the depression and anxiety...much respect.

 

[Universal_General]

You know I have read so many people mentioning PAWS from stopping the subs will stay with people forever and there is absolutely no way out. Hope that is not true. Some have even allegedly taken their own life because of the depression coming off subs. I fear these claims I really do, what kind of a life would it be living in PAWS? terrible.

 

[StartedHydro]

I got a hold of some subutex and I got to say I'm ratcheted surprised at how I felt after IVed. I felt the effects of bupe a lot faster, actually had a significant mood lift, and it woke me up from my early morning grogginess that suboxone never could. I was expecting the same results as suboxones and once I laid back down after the shot I was shocked at my heart rate elevating, desire to want to talk, surf the net, music. Nothing like a shot of H, but def not a nothing shot like suboxone. Only thing I can think is just maybe naxlone gets there first and bupe has to dislodge it and that effects the subject feeling of bupe working, no idea.

I can say first hand on a few separate occasions from WDing off of buprenorphine if done correctly(proper taper) there will be very very little WDs or PAWs. No matter the length of time used. I have tapered myself off buprenorphine a few times and stayed off all opiates/ioids for months and went back to them not from anguish but the constant desire to feel high. I tapered myself down to the .20 range and then would start skipping days in between doses. Did that for around a month and a half. The most I noticed was a tiny bit of energy loss, mostly made up by my mind. I have been around others who have done the same and walked away with zero WDs and no paws. I believe a honest true taper and almost anyone can get away from opioids rather painlessly with buprenorphine.

 

[hangyourhead]

Bupe has some truly unhealthy features for long-term ORT. I noticed my cuts/wounds healed very slowly, appetite went to shit, caused major insomnia if dosed anytime other than the morning, I couldn't ejaculate for the life of me during intercourse, loss of libido, weaker immune system, rapid weight loss... made me look more like a junkie than ever before, increased anxiety, really took the fun out of smoking weed and turned many highs into panic attacks possibly due to the strange stimulatory effects of buprenorphine. I heard the same stories from those I was in rehab with. I think bupe is better suited for short-term ORT and tapers.

 

[StartedHydro]

Buprenorphine does not have any more unhealthy aspects to it than any other opioid, way to spread misinformation. Almost everything you stated that bupe does most other opiates do as well. Most opiates lessen the immune response, can decrease energy levels due to adrenal function. Most opiates can cause prolonged intercourse(which IMO is great for us men if you take advantage of it). Bupe is made from thebaine which tends to cause these types of opioids to be "speedy". Bupe has been around since early 70's as part of the Bentley compounds and has been studied extensively.

 

[hangyourhead]

I'm not saying it's more unhealthy than other opioids, but it's effects are not as EXTENSIVELY studied as Methadone or MMT. It's not misinformation actually, I was speaking on my own extensive experience with it and the experiences friends and other people have told me about, that were similar to mine, if not almost identical. I feel like those that are looking into the pros and cons of bupe maintenance may want to take my issues with long-term bupe ORT into consideration before that make their decision. I know I would've like to have known these things were going to happen to me before I put myself onto the powerful partial agonist buprenorphine (tends to be Suboxone which is bupe with naloxone which is not so great on the liver as you may know). I would've never allowed that "Addiction Specialist" to keep me on the shit for over year. Never once did the Sub doc lower the dosage from 2 x 8mg Suboxone strip daily, they just wanna keep you coming and keep fattening their salaries. Did my own research and realized that a quarter of a single 8mg strip (2mg) was just as effective as the whole 8mg strip. The "Less is more" proposal of Suboxone having more full-agonist-like properties at doses <2mg; better analgesia, moodlift/antidpressant effects which can be beneficial to those trying to keep their mind of their opioid drug of choice, as WDs bring on a depressed mindset even if no physical WDs are present.

Like many other men, I also enjoy the longevity opioids can provide during sex.... but I meant that I could go for 2 to 3 hours straight with no ejaculation/climax, which ruins the concept of having sex. A lot of my friends said the same damn thing. I can bust a nut on heroin, morphine, oxycodone (thebaine derived opioid with stimulant effects, oh yeah and doesn't keep me up all night like some dose of shitty stimulant or amphetamine like bupe), ect. just fine BUT NOT BUPE. Suboxone also made my hands unsteady and this went away after I kicked the stuff. It just overall felt like my nerves were bad.

I am aware buprenorphine derives from thebaine, such as oxycodone which is a much cleaner opioid IMO. I'm not spreading misinformation, way to go on being ignorant StartedHydro!

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

I'm not saying it's more unhealthy than other opioids, but it's effects are not as EXTENSIVELY studied as Methadone or MMT. It's not misinformation actually, I was speaking on my own extensive experience with it and the experiences friends and other people have told me about, that were similar to mine, if not almost identical. I feel like those that are looking into the pros and cons of bupe maintenance may want to take my issues with long-term bupe ORT into consideration before that make their decision. I know I would've like to have known these things were going to happen to me before I put myself onto the powerful partial agonist buprenorphine (tends to be Suboxone which is bupe with naloxone which is not so great on the liver as you may know). I would've never allowed that "Addiction Specialist" to keep me on the shit for over year. Never once did the Sub doc lower the dosage from 2 x 8mg Suboxone strip daily, they just wanna keep you coming and keep fattening their salaries. Did my own research and realized that a quarter of a single 8mg strip (2mg) was just as effective as the whole 8mg strip. The "Less is more" proposal of Suboxone having more full-agonist-like properties at doses <2mg; better analgesia, moodlift/antidpressant effects which can be beneficial to those trying to keep their mind of their opioid drug of choice, as WDs bring on a depressed mindset even if no physical WDs are present.

Like many other men, I also enjoy the longevity opioids can provide during sex.... but I meant that I could go for 2 to 3 hours straight with no ejaculation/climax, which ruins the concept of having sex. A lot of my friends said the same damn thing. I can bust a nut on heroin, morphine, oxycodone (thebaine derived opioid with stimulant effects, oh yeah and doesn't keep me up all night like some dose of shitty stimulant or amphetamine like bupe), ect. just fine BUT NOT BUPE. Suboxone also made my hands unsteady and this went away after I kicked the stuff. It just overall felt like my nerves were bad.

I am aware buprenorphine derives from thebaine, such as oxycodone which is a much cleaner opioid IMO. I'm not spreading misinformation, way to go on being ignorant StartedHydro!

I don't know many people that have had such a bad reaction to bupe. Compared to full opiates, most people I know report feeling pretty normal on bupe.