Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v3; 2010 - 2022

[BIFF TANNEN]

ok...things havent exactly gone as planned with me. I have been using the IR oxy since friday, so basically for abnout 3 days.............. Ive taken about 500mgs of the oxy...but I now want to get back on my subs, as I see where this is going. SOOOOO, when can I resume? I just took the last of the oxy I had, and Im gonna try my best to hold out for today/tonight & not take anything.....assuming thats the case, I was thinking I'd try taking 1mg of sub tomorrow am...and slowly work up from there seeing how I react....so it will be 24 hrs after last oxy use that i try sub again , and this after 3 days & 500mgs of oxy binge use after i was on 30 days of subs & no oxy.....thoughts? am i screwed? is this an OK plan?

 

[Captain.Heroin]

The basic litmus test is whether the doctor would still prescribe if they knew what you were doing with the medication.

808 once told a doctor in the UK that he was not only doctor shopping for OC's, but that he was also IVing them, and the doctor *still* wrote him a script for them.

If that isn't abuse I don't know what is.

ok...things havent exactly gone as planned with me. I have been using the IR oxy since friday, so basically for abnout 3 days.............. Ive taken about 500mgs of the oxy...but I now want to get back on my subs, as I see where this is going. SOOOOO, when can I resume? I just took the last of the oxy I had, and Im gonna try my best to hold out for today/tonight & not take anything.....assuming thats the case, I was thinking I'd try taking 1mg of sub tomorrow am...and slowly work up from there seeing how I react....so it will be 24 hrs after last oxy use that i try sub again , and this after 3 days & 500mgs of oxy binge use after i was on 30 days of subs & no oxy.....thoughts? am i screwed? is this an OK plan?

Wait until you get withdrawal symptoms from the oxycodone. If you don't get withdrawal symptoms, you may not need to resume Suboxone.

 

[BIFF TANNEN]

808 once told a doctor in the UK that he was not only doctor shopping for OC's, but that he was also IVing them, and the doctor *still* wrote him a script for them.

If that isn't abuse I don't know what is.



Wait until you get withdrawal symptoms from the oxycodone. If you don't get withdrawal symptoms, you may not need to resume Suboxone.

thanks.....I have read about people actually getting off the subs by switching back to SAO's for a short time, I was wondering If I may have accidentally done this. however, I didnt really think it was an option for me as I was on 16mg of subs a day......I'll wait for some wd's from the oxy, & then if I feel like crap, I'll try to resume the sub in LOW doses....as there was no reason whatsoever for me to be taking 16mg a day.......so, If I need them, hopefully I can keep it at a low dose & get off "somewhat" quickly. thanks for the reply.

 

[Cane2theLeft]

808 once told a doctor in the UK that he was not only doctor shopping for OC's, but that he was also IVing them, and the doctor *still* wrote him a script for them.

If that isn't abuse I don't know what is.

I should've said 'a doctor' and not 'the doctor'. Obviously there will be exceptions and unscrupulous doctors. I was referencing clinical definitions of abusing prescriptions.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I should've said 'a doctor' and not 'the doctor'. Obviously there will be exceptions and unscrupulous doctors. I was referencing clinical definitions of abusing prescriptions.

Oh yeah trust me I knew what you meant, the "average doctor" would have worked too.

I just remembered reading that story 808 posted and thinking "holy fuck! No doctor in the USA would be so generous!" lmao.

 

[4thDimension]

I am currently on the Norspan patch 10µg/h. This has helped me with chronic spinal fusion pain and migraine headaches. Unfortunately, it has not dulled my cravings for oxycodone (endone) and codeine. I still pop a few each day. I realize the transdermal is not that effective for opiate addiction, but it has helped a little.

One thing it has helped me with so so much is depression and anxiety. WOW. It really works good for that. Not a long term solution but I will enjoy it while it lasts.

 

[OEandricearoni]

Well apparently I was wrong, so I'm not sure what else to say or how to explain it.



The duration is changed with the ROA, but it is irrelevant to the half life and protein binding. I'm not sure how else to explain it.

Well, i figured that the half life wasn't changed because of the ROA. As for protein binding, well, i really don't know much about that, let alone how it would effect the time which one could be kept straight from a dose. Still no idea why the ROA changes the duration in which one is kept straight. I always thought that had to do with a drugs half life, but I'm no doctor so *shrugs*
Not something that is really important for me to know anyway, i was just curious. At least you tried man lol

 

[caseface99]

Oh yeah trust me I knew what you meant, the "average doctor" would have worked too.

I just remembered reading that story 808 posted and thinking "holy fuck! No doctor in the USA would be so generous!" lmao.

Try telling that to an OC junky from Broward County


And i was definitely quick to judge dosing twice daily rather than once. Now that its been a few days i think i may have come quite a bit closer to stabilizing than when i was taking 1 dose daily.

 

[PurpleLibra]

I've noticed that when i snort my suboxone it doesn't tend to hold me over as long as it would if I had taken it sublingual. If i snort it i find that after about 12 hours or so I will start experiencing mild WD symptoms, but if I take it sublingually i usually wont notice any for 24 hours+. Anyone else noticed this? Anyone have some scientific reason why this is so? I'm just curious about if anyone has looked into this extensively and can say exactly why it works like this.

YES! I have noticed this, too. My doctors orders are to take 4-6 mgs SL around 10:00 a.m. and then 2-4 mgs SL at around 6:00 p.m. Or every eight hours for a total of 8 mgs a day.

I find that when I take it SL, it takes about two hours for it to peak. But when I snort it, it only takes 20-30 minutes and I need to dose again within six hours, so maybe since we're peaking earlier, the effects just do not last as long.

Then again, when I snort it, I don't need NEAR 4-6 mgs... I only snort maybe 2 mgs every six hours, or three times a day, so I'm only taking 6 mgs total everyday as opposed to 8 mgs every day.

LOL! Did that make sense? I'm on massive amounts of cold medicine due to the fucking flu and I'm not thinking clearly. That NyQuil shit makes my head seem like there are a thousand bees in my head... Even the Daytime formula... I just took a bar of Xanax, two gel tabs of the NyQuil (nighttime formula) and snorted 2 mgs of Sub. I will be down for the count in 3...2....

And before Cap'n yells at me...

 

[PurpleLibra]

ok...things havent exactly gone as planned with me. I have been using the IR oxy since friday, so basically for abnout 3 days.............. Ive taken about 500mgs of the oxy...but I now want to get back on my subs, as I see where this is going. SOOOOO, when can I resume? I just took the last of the oxy I had, and Im gonna try my best to hold out for today/tonight & not take anything.....assuming thats the case, I was thinking I'd try taking 1mg of sub tomorrow am...and slowly work up from there seeing how I react....so it will be 24 hrs after last oxy use that i try sub again , and this after 3 days & 500mgs of oxy binge use after i was on 30 days of subs & no oxy.....thoughts? am i screwed? is this an OK plan?

The very first time I was prescribed Suboxone, the doctor's office told me not to take anything after 6:00 PM the day before my appointment. My appointment was for 9:00 the next morning. I was taking about 8, 30mg roxicets a day... But, of course, I binged like all hell on my last day before I went to the Sub doctor and took about 15 Roxicets (150 mgs of oxycodone) with my last dose being around 7:00 at night. Needless to say, I had a shit load of oxycodone in my system when I went to the doctor then next morning.

I went to the doctor at 9:00 a.m. and at 9:30 I was given an 8 mg tablet to take SL. (This was roughly 14 hours after my last Roxicet - of which I had been taking 8, 30 mgs pills a day for two years and that last binge of 150 mgs). I did not get sick. My withdrawals went away within an hour and I was fine. In my opinion, I think you could start back on the subs as soon as 10:00 tonight.... especially if it's only 1 mg.

 

[PurpleLibra]

Try telling that to an OC junky from Broward County

EXACTLY! I could go one mile in any direction from my house and walk in with an MRI in hand and walk out with hundreds of Roxis.

808 once told a doctor in the UK that he was not only doctor shopping for OC's, but that he was also IVing them, and the doctor *still* wrote him a script for them.

If that isn't abuse I don't know what is.

You don't have to go to the UK to find unscrupulous doctors. South Florida will do. They don't give a fuck how many doctors you see. They dispense in house and there is no database to track prescriptions, so you can literally go to 5-6 doctors a month and they wouldn't know nor would they care. These places charge an average of $300 a visit with the doctors making $100 off of each patient. The more the merrier is their motto. Hell, your MRI doesn't even have to show anything! They gave me hundreds of Roxis........ FOR A DISK BULGE! I think they would write you a script if you walked in with a paper cut....

 

[Georgie25]

When I spoke to the pharmacist about these methods of using Subutex, he was horrified, shocked, and told me quite reasonably NOT to IV or snort it.

I listen and respect his views. You should too.

Lmao. Just because he's a fucking pharmacist or doctor doesn't mean they know everything. My suboxone doctor (and a lot of others as well) prescribes most of his patients with 24-32mg of suboxone daily, all to be taken at once in the morning. He also believes it's impossible to IV it because the naloxone is in it, which is also wrong. I don't listen to what he tells me to do just because he's a doctor, since I know from here taking only 2mg a day has me straight just fine and IV'ing it wont send me into withdrawals. The idea of listening to some dumbasses opinion just because he's your pharmacist etc isn't always the smart thing to do, they're not always correct you know.

 

[caseface99]

While i agree it has been proven time and again that many doctors know virtually nothing about suboxone, that wasn't really the main point of what he was trying to say.

If course it was his reasoning, which is obviously stupid, but his point still stands. sniffing/IVing suboxone is by definition abusing it, whether or not your "technically" abusing it. But its far from abuse simply because a doctor says so, i agree.

 

[BIFF TANNEN]

The very first time I was prescribed Suboxone, the doctor's office told me not to take anything after 6:00 PM the day before my appointment. My appointment was for 9:00 the next morning. I was taking about 8, 30mg roxicets a day... But, of course, I binged like all hell on my last day before I went to the Sub doctor and took about 15 Roxicets (150 mgs of oxycodone) with my last dose being around 7:00 at night. Needless to say, I had a shit load of oxycodone in my system when I went to the doctor then next morning.

I went to the doctor at 9:00 a.m. and at 9:30 I was given an 8 mg tablet to take SL. (This was roughly 14 hours after my last Roxicet - of which I had been taking 8, 30 mgs pills a day for two years and that last binge of 150 mgs). I did not get sick. My withdrawals went away within an hour and I was fine. In my opinion, I think you could start back on the subs as soon as 10:00 tonight.... especially if it's only 1 mg.

again, you make me feel better....I will let you know how it turns out!! Im not gonna take anything tonight....so itll be tomorrow am around 7, thatll be roughly 19hrs.....I am gonna see how I feel, and see if I can get away without taking anything....altho knowing myself im sure im gonna convince myself I need "something".....sooo, Ill start with 1...and slowly work up to 4mg if I can.

 

[Suboxone]

While i agree it has been proven time and again that many doctors know virtually nothing about suboxone, that wasn't really the main point of what he was trying to say.

If course it was his reasoning, which is obviously stupid, but his point still stands. sniffing/IVing suboxone is by definition abusing it, whether or not your "technically" abusing it. But its far from abuse simply because a doctor says so, i agree.

You guys need to find doctors that aren't retards, plain and simple. I couldn't deal with a doctor that didn't know how this drug works. I need someone who can truly help me with the problems I have, not someone I have to lie to and then get advice from random addicts on the internet. It just doesn't make sense otherwise!

again, you make me feel better....I will let you know how it turns out!! Im not gonna take anything tonight....so itll be tomorrow am around 7, thatll be roughly 19hrs.....I am gonna see how I feel, and see if I can get away without taking anything....altho knowing myself im sure im gonna convince myself I need "something".....sooo, Ill start with 1...and slowly work up to 4mg if I can.

Listening to Libra may turn out to be a huge mistake. Please wait until you're withdrawing before you take any, and if you do then start with small (~1mg) doses. Increase another ~1mg every 15-30 minutes until you don't feel sick.

 

[PHD_in_PRT]

I have been on Suboxone since 2007 started at 24mg then went to 32mg. I did n't start to try to get off of them until this year. For me getting down from 32mg to 1mg was nothing and I experienced no ill affects. But I can tell you that trying to stop all together after getting down to 1mg sucks BIG time. As I said I felt nothing from 32mg to 1mg but now when I try to not take the 1mg, I feel really bad. I was down to 1mg in July of this year. and even tried taking .5mg and less and no matter how low I got, it was still hell from the day I would try taking it. I just do not get this at all.

The only good thing about this is my doctor has been giving me 90day scripts for 32mg a day. I have about 1000 8mg pills around since I know I will need them again. Plus it will save me a bunch of dough because Suboxone costs a fortune!

 

[BIFF TANNEN]

You guys need to find doctors that aren't retards, plain and simple. I couldn't deal with a doctor that didn't know how this drug works. I need someone who can truly help me with the problems I have, not someone I have to lie to and then get advice from random addicts on the internet. It just doesn't make sense otherwise!




Listening to Libra may turn out to be a huge mistake. Please wait until you're withdrawing before you take any, and if you do then start with small (~1mg) doses. Increase another ~1mg every 15-30 minutes until you don't feel sick.

lol. uh oh. Man, now im worried.....I was hoping that since I had been off opiates for a month, and I only used for 3 days, that hopefully I could just resume my sub use fairly quickly. Now I dont know what to do. I guess, I'll see how I feel in the am @ 19hrs....If I feel ok..I wont take anything, if I feel like im starting to WD then I'll take some sub....altho, would I really even WD at all from only 3 days of oxy use? man, Im confused.


anyone else care to weigh in?

 

[caseface99]

And i was definitely quick to judge dosing twice daily rather than once. Now that its been a few days i think i may have come quite a bit closer to stabilizing than when i was taking 1 dose daily.

I fucking hate suboxone. Now today i feel like shit all day. So far its been different everyday since switching to twice daily.

You guys need to find doctors that aren't retards, plain and simple. I couldn't deal with a doctor that didn't know how this drug works. I need someone who can truly help me with the problems I have, not someone I have to lie to and then get advice from random addicts on the internet. It just doesn't make sense otherwise!

My last 2 sub doctors have been excellent. I said "most sub doctors.." not "all sub doctors"

Listening to Libra may turn out to be a huge mistake. Please wait until you're withdrawing before you take any, and if you do then start with small (~1mg) doses. Increase another ~1mg every 15-30 minutes until you don't feel sick.

he has only used oxy for 3 days, he will not go into precipitated withdrawal. Myself and another person have already commented on this making it very clear that we know from experience. Normally, you would be correct. However if you're dependent on bupe not dope and only use dope for a couple days then you can switch back to bupe without having to wait until you withdraw. If you are dependent on dope and take bupe with dope in your system, then yeah, Good luck with that.

lol. uh oh. Man, now im worried.....I was hoping that since I had been off opiates for a month, and I only used for 3 days, that hopefully I could just resume my sub use fairly quickly. Now I dont know what to do. I guess, I'll see how I feel in the am @ 19hrs....If I feel ok..I wont take anything, if I feel like im starting to WD then I'll take some sub....altho, would I really even WD at all from only 3 days of oxy use? man, Im confused.


anyone else care to weigh in?

Myself and another gave you the go ahead speaking from experience. If you wait until the next morning you will be absolutely fine. I thought this was supposed to go down already, anyway?

 

[PurpleLibra]

again, you make me feel better....I will let you know how it turns out!! Im not gonna take anything tonight....so itll be tomorrow am around 7, thatll be roughly 19hrs.....I am gonna see how I feel, and see if I can get away without taking anything....altho knowing myself im sure im gonna convince myself I need "something".....sooo, Ill start with 1...and slowly work up to 4mg if I can.

I would honestly bet the farm that you'll be okay.... And you will be SOOOO HAPPY to be back on the Subs. Just when I got out of the habit of taking a Roxi every two hours and was just learning that I only needed to dose twice a day on the subs, I went and did them simply because THEY WERE THERE!


God, talk about now willpower. Those fucking Roxi's held me hostage. I literally planned my life around them. No trips could be taken if I didn't have enough, I got nervous and anxious before every doctor's appointment, scared to death that for some reason he wouldn't write me a script, or there wouldn't be a place to fill the fucking script (there's a shortage down here) and lastly, I was anxious that my clinic would close..... which is exactly what it did. I couldn't get my MRI scans or records because the office was temporarily closed, so going somewhere else was out of the question. I ended up on Suboxone and never looked back. I almost feel like sending that fucking pill mill a thank you note for closing down and forcing me to get help. It was the best thing that ever happened to me.


So yeah... I think you will be absolutely FINE! No worries at all! And you WILL be so glad to be back on the Subs. I'm actually kinda glad I went off the Subs and back on the oxy's. Now I know for sure which I prefer better.... My Subs.


I heart my subs.


Anyway.... Let us know tomorrow how you're doing. I have a feeling you'll be just fine!


Best of luck to you,


Lib

 

[blackjesus]

I have a very basic question how strongly do the ingredients in a suboxone pill reverse your tolerance. Do they even do this? I took some suboxone one night, and had some heroin a few nights later and had a much more intense heroin buzz than prior h uses spaced out the same way