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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

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jamesBrown said:
I also reccommend low dose suboxone because the less of a drug you have to take the better. The less negative side effects you have, etc...And, even if someone isnt trying to get euphoria from there suboxone, even if they dont care about getting any energy boosts from it, taking a low dose makes it MUUUUUCH easier and quicker to get off of subs in the end whenever you choose.
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Thats exactly why I maintain on a low dose... to keep as much of the subs out of my body as possible which in turn minimizes the negative side effects I get from subs... like constipation, sweats, headaches, blockade effect... etc
 
jamesBrown said:
I really have no idea what you meant by that post......thank you?

if it was sarcasm then im sry you have some problem with me and hope that you can eventually get over whatever your issue is in the future. i also hope you dont respond to this with yet even more sarcasm.
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he was either being very nice, and gave you a really big thanks. that was my first impression. but then i saw your post, (not knowing if it was sarcasm or not) and i went back to re-read it. and now i have no fucking clue.
 
darkinthepark said:
No I dont, definetely not mate!
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once u get over the 2-5 days hump of taking subs, it gets a lot easier to get back to normal...ride it out, ull be fine man


like what hobbies u used to do before being an addict, get back into them


try not to sit and bed and be bored, get outside, go hiking, anything
 
first day of 2mg, so far so good...... if this works my stockpiling will go twice as fast....
 
ive come down from 8mg in about three weeks.......... wanna stay at 2mg for a very long time, maybe slightly less and change my ROA to snorting.....
 
SkagKush said:
ive come down from 8mg in about three weeks.......... wanna stay at 2mg for a very long time, maybe slightly less and change my ROA to snorting.....
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If I were you I would go down to 1mg very soon and stay at THAT dose for a long time. 2mg's is JUST over the threshold to where you probably arent leaving many receptors open for the norbupe to bind. Allthough I could be wrong, everyone is different....and I have to remember that your not IV'ing it like I usually do.....so the actual amount of bupe/norbupe getting to your brain is probably close to how much reaches my brain (0.5 mg doses) because of the BA difference.

I guess stay at the 2mg dose if you want to, but after 2 weeks, if you still dont feel ANY euphoria, I would go down even lower to 1mg or maybe 1.5mg's to see how that feels. you can always go back up to 2mg's again if you want. but you never know, you could lower it to 1mg and all of a sudden you are getting these wonderful highs from your suboxone doses that you never thought possible. Thats kinda how it was for me.
 
word ya, i will def try going down to 2mg in the near future....when i plan to stop using my subs, in the future, i will be doing a very long taper that goes into very small amounts and alternating days
 
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Drifter....how is your transition back to suboxone going? You still worried about the PW's?
 
If you're only using on average .5g of heroin a day since you said a "bag" is anywhere between .4-.6g, you should be able to use no more than 2-4mg of Subutex a day rather than 4+. I remember I had detoxed with Suboxone and at the time I was using just a little more than you and I did it with 2mg doses once every 20-24 hours. To be honest, I felt nearly 100%, more like 80-90%, but well enough to be very functional throughout the process and I felt better with each successive day. The reason I only took 2mg was due to a shortage of Suboxone supply, so if you feel you need more than that, don't dose solely based on my experience, though I would use it as a good starting point.

Also, your dosage of Subutex will vary greatly depending on your ROA. All the advice I gave you here was based on you taking it sublingually as it's meant to be taken. If you decide to take it via intranasal or intravenous administration, your dosing will be much lower than if you take it sublingually.
 
JAMES BROWN

ok so i started suboxone about 4 days ago. i took about 6mg the first day. 3 or 4mg the second day. 2mg the 3rd day. and today i took .5mg dose this morning, (it didnt really hold me over) so i took a 1mg dose a little while after, and i think i got a little euphoric, not sure thou.

so my question is, - what dosage do you think will get me that euphoric feeling that i hear you talking about? i take it sublingually.

and second, - why havent i been getting euphoric these last two days? do you think i still have too much in my system from taking 6mg on the first day?
 
yes, in order to maximize the euphoric properties of the low dose suboxone, you need to have stabilized on a low dose(under 1mg prefferably, maybe under 1.5mg's)....for a long period of time. You are right, your brain still has "leftover suboxone" in it from your higher doses you took in the past. I think if you try to get down to only taking 1mg or less in the next couple days, you should definitely start feeling that euphoria within a week of being on that low dose. I honestly think you will feel the euphoria faster than that, but just to be safe, i said a week. You never know, everyones different, and it may take longer for your brain/body to adjust to the low dose.
And actually, since your taking it sublingually, you might want to stabilize at a dose of 1.5mg's ("maybe" 2mg's) because the BA is much smaller sublingually than it is IV, and i generally IV my subs. Allthough, I dont think it would hurt to give 1mg a try for a while, in fact, I think it would work better even though you take your subs SL. But if you DO go down to 1mg for a week and still dont feel that much, you might want to try kicking up your dose to 1.5 or 2mg's. Or actually, you should try snorting the subs unless you have something against it. That increases the BA alot, and it makes them kick in much faster, which makes the euphoria much more noticeable in my opinion.

I would reccommend starting tommorow off with a .75-1mg dose. And later in the day if you start to feel sick take another 0.5 mg's. And then let me know how it went.
are there any other questions i can help you with?
im glad you seem to be doing well at the low doses, and are even starting to feel the euphoria that so many people think im lying about.
 
well thanks for the advice. and btw the 1mg dose that i did today (that i "think" got me a little euphoric) i snorted.

i do have another question. - if i want to get off subs completely, how low of a dose to i have to be at, before i could jump off and feel no WD? i understand that you may not be able to give me an exact number. im just concerned bc, i dont think i have heard from anyone who has gotten off them completely (most people seem to just be maintaining). and im just wondering if its possible to get off of them, with out any discomfort. i think i heard one person here say that there friend had to get down to .05 b4 they quit, and they still experienced some WD!! very discouraging...
 
Is anybody having any problems with the new Suboxone film. Im trying to get used to it because it takes less time to dissolve and it tastes better but the film always gets stuck to my teeth its just weird.
 
I have a question...
If the BA of bupe intranasally is 50% and you guys are saying less than or equal to 2mg is the sweet spot than should I snort 4mg for the effect of the 2mg that actually gets metabolized or just sniff 2mg to feel the euphoric low dosage effects? I feel like I must have a tolerance thats too high, I dosed about 1-2mg altho sometimes I had taken another dose at night so I think I have been doing 1-2mg most days, then some days I take a little more or redose so 3-4mg.
If I had to give an average i'd say its probably about 3mg a day because about half the week i take a second booster dose at night or in morning...
This is all just lately tho, for a little while I was down to 1-2mg a day (it varies between the two, sometimes if i feel i did more the day before ill use a smaller line thats probably closer to 1mg other days ill use medium bumps that are equivalent to 2mg from what ive measured)
Btw, I use a bullet (a clear one with a little shovel knob, I crushed an 8mg sub pill and then turned the knob and let out about 8-10 bumps and it was empty. I estimate each 'bump' is about .75mg altho sometimes it looks like it scoops a little more sometimes a little less, on average 2 bumps is enough)
 
so the 2mg has held me today so far, ill redose another 2mg tomo morning. this makes a tab last a long time haha....

what up james
 
I feel kind of in a trap right now. I've been off my suboxone for about a week and a half, doing roughly a bundle a day of heroin. I've been stealing etc... to support this habit, which is making me really feel like a crappy person, and I want to switch back to my suboxone, but I did my last bag of H only two hours ago.

Is there any dosage of suboxone that is small enough that wouldn't set me into precipitated withdrawal, but still relieve physical cravings? It's not like I'm sick now or anything, but I didn't get high from my last bag, just straight, and I'm stuck in this sort of in between state where I'm freaking out about whether I'll be able to cop, or not, and not really wanting to score at the same time.
 
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