Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

[Captain.Heroin]

I feel kind of in a trap right now. I've been off my suboxone for about a week and a half, doing roughly a bundle a day of heroin. I've been stealing etc... to support this habit, which is making me really feel like a crappy person, and I want to switch back to my suboxone, but I did my last bag of H only two hours ago.

Is there any dosage of suboxone that is small enough that wouldn't set me into precipitated withdrawal, but still relieve physical cravings? It's not like I'm sick now or anything, but I didn't get high from my last bag, just straight, and I'm stuck in this sort of in between state where I'm freaking out about whether I'll be able to cop, or not, and not really wanting to score at the same time.

You could try extremely small amounts of Suboxone, but it might be better just to wait it out a few more hours first.

 

[SubDude]

actually its at doses AT 1.5mg's or less/day.....but yes, no PAWS on subs. It all has to do with properly maintaining for a long enough period of time, and it has to do with what dose you start at and how quickly you taper down from there. Because suboxone(or bupe) is a complex drug the methods used to manipulate it so that you "bypass" WD's are complex as well......and mny people don't take the time to recognize that or even care to recognize that, and then eventually they bitch about how much they hurt, when they could have gained some knowledge to prevent the pain.

I strongly suggest you break down the complexities into a detailed and organized procedure to follow... for the benefit of all. Most addicts are hedionists and will go to far extremes in the avoidance of painful WD's. All we need are specifically detailed instructions to use with logic and reasoning behind the directions. I believe this could quickly get the attention of addicts, MD's, addictions specialists, and researchers throughout the world. This would definitely be a breakthrough for those working in Drug Rehab and ORT.

If it works for the masses like it does for you, then there shouldn't be a much of a problem getting published. In fact, I know some very good online marketing professionals who would jump on this in a heartbeat. [I might ask for a finders fee though] Basically, it sounds like a WIN/WIN for you and others. Not only would your knowledge expand beyond BL... it could potentially reach and help millions of others.

This could make you famous and earn a lot of money for you. At the very least, you could start a Blog with the info... but there's a downside with that avenue, you take a chance on someone stealing and profiting off your ideas and knowledge. It's best to first write it down and get a trusted agent to represent you with a copyright. [if needed, I could help you with that too]

 

[jamesBrown]

I strongly suggest you break down the complexities into a detailed and organized procedure to follow... for the benefit of all. Most addicts are hedionists and will go to far extremes in the avoidance of painful WD's. All we need are specifically detailed instructions to use with logic and reasoning behind the directions. I believe this could quickly get the attention of addicts, MD's, addictions specialists, and researchers throughout the world. This would definitely be a breakthrough for those working in Drug Rehab and ORT.

If it works for the masses like it does for you, then there shouldn't be a much of a problem getting published. In fact, I know some very good online marketing professionals who would jump on this in a heartbeat. [I might ask for a finders fee though] Basically, it sounds like a WIN/WIN for you and others. Not only would your knowledge expand beyond BL... it could potentially reach and help millions of others.

This could make you famous and earn a lot of money for you. At the very least, you could start a Blog with the info... but there's a downside with that avenue, you take a chance on someone stealing and profiting off your ideas and knowledge. It's best to first write it down and get a trusted agent to represent you with a copyright. [if needed, I could help you with that too]

Ive actually allready posted all about the method I used to prevent WD's from occuring. It may be seperated in a few seperate posts for people to put together on there own but its there. And its also slightly different for every person so each time I talk about it to someone, I tweak it to fit there situation as compared to someone elses.
I really dont care about publishing anything. Its out there, do what you want with it. Heres an idea, why dont you get it published under your name, and you can get rich off of it, ill just stay here on BL trying to help people by answering there questions. Good luck with that.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Ive actually allready posted all about the method I used to prevent WD's from occuring. It may be seperated in a few seperate posts for people to put together on there own but its there. And its also slightly different for every person so each time I talk about it to someone, I tweak it to fit there situation as compared to someone elses.
I really dont care about publishing anything. Its out there, do what you want with it. Heres an idea, why dont you get it published under your name, and you can get rich off of it, ill just stay here on BL trying to help people by answering there questions. Good luck with that.

lololololol

If I was going to do this thing (since I don't use full agonists anymore I really wouldn't have to do this) where you want to make sure you're not going into precipitated WD's... I would just set up a lactated ringer's with a buprenorphine solution in it, so that as soon as you feel the precipitated WD's coming on you could cut off the line. Then if it made you feel better you could just ride it out and let it all get administered.

 

[f13nd]

I know the nalaxone in suboxone is inactive however if you just have narcan and you injected it into someone who isn't opiate/opioid dependent/tolerant or on any opiates. Basically what would nalaxone do if injected into just a normal person with no other drug issues. Does it still cause the body to go into a withdrawal from endorphins or anything?

 

[jamesBrown]

I know the nalaxone in suboxone is inactive however if you just have narcan and you injected it into someone who isn't opiate/opioid dependent/tolerant or on any opiates. Basically what would nalaxone do if injected into just a normal person with no other drug issues. Does it still cause the body to go into a withdrawal from endorphins or anything?

No, all nalaxone does is rip opiates with lesser binding affinities off of your brains receptors. Nothing else. That is why it does absolutely nothing when taken with bupernorphine because bupe has a higher binding affinity than nalaxone.
So, if you dont have any opiates in your system and you take nalaxone, pretty much nothing would happen. you might get a headache or soemthing like that, but it wouldnt make you go into withdrawals. Because there would be nothing to withdraw from.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

this is from wiki..

"Naloxone has been shown to block the action of pain-lowering endorphins which the body produces naturally. The likely reason for this is that these endorphins operate on the same opioid receptors that Naloxone blocks. Naloxone is capable of blocking a placebo pain-lowering response, both in clinical and experimental pain, if the placebo is administered together with a hidden or blind injection of naloxone. Other studies have found that placebo alone can activate the body's μ-opioid endorphin system, delivering pain relief via the same receptor mechanism as morphine."

 

[SubutexMan]

I know the nalaxone in suboxone is inactive however if you just have narcan and you injected it into someone who isn't opiate/opioid dependent/tolerant or on any opiates. Basically what would nalaxone do if injected into just a normal person with no other drug issues. Does it still cause the body to go into a withdrawal from endorphins or anything?

yes. to some degree they might go into withdrawl... prolly not withdrawl but dysphoria.. this is because your endorphins bind to the opiate receptors so they also would b able to be riped from the receptor with narcan. so ya It is most probabel that you would feel dysphoria for a few hours to a day..

 

[oxyhydro]

Method for preparing suboxone/subutex for injection.

This is for the purpose of harm reduciton, everyone doing it know that injecting suboxone/subutex is dangerous ever for drug users.

The main idea behind any preparation method is to get a clear solution of buprenorphine and no fillers. What I did was dissolve enough suboxone in enough water so that the concentratoin was equal to what I wanted per dose in 1 ml. For me, I wanted .8mg buprenorphine per ml (because my needles hold 1ml) so I dissolved an 8mg tablet into 10ml water.

I dissolved the powdered tablet into 10ml water and mixed in a shot glass, then put the glass in the fridge overnight. In the morning, I carefully removed the glass from the fridge (to not disturb the powder). I used my needle to careful draw up 1ml of the solution from the middle of the glass, so I avoided the heavy solids on the bottom and the light solids on the top. The solution I drew up was examined under a light and magnifying glass and I could not see even the smallest particle, it was a crystal clear solution of orange water, containing at least the .8mg of bupe I was looking for plus whatever else was able to remain in solution at the temperature.

I think this is just as effective as micron filtering, because anything dissolved at that temperature will be dissolved at 98.6 degrees in my blood. Its possible that all I'm getting is the bupe, naloxone, and orange coloring, but I'm not sure.

Anyways I think this is the best possible way to prepare subs fro injection. Only problem is you do lose some bupe because its too hard to keep the tip of the needle in the clear solution when theres only a little left, so you have to take the remaining sublingually, rectally, nasally, or discard it. I have more than enough subs so this isnt a problem for me.

Also, this obviously takes a while and requires privacy so it may not work for everyone, but if you have a private fridge you should be good. If you inject daily or multiple times a day I suggest making a bigger batch. Also to be even more careful, after you get the seperated solution, use a needle and carefully transfer all the clear liquid into a clean glass, then let this sit again so if you happen to transfer any solids they will be on the bottom, but you will likely get a perfectly clear solution.

ALSO! If anyone knows a reason that this method is a lot more unsafe than others, please let me know and i'll delete or edit my post giving you credit. By unsafe I mean is it unsafe compared to other common methods like the classic drawing up through a cotton

 

[JamtasticX]

I got so wrecked of suboxone+gapapentin+hydroxyzine.

I'm so happy, I was nodding so hard, which never happens.
First week no opiates from Thursday to Wed.
Wed did .3 of heroin
Thursday did 6mg suboxone
Friday 6mh
Saturday 4mg + a large quantity of gapapentin + some hydroxyzine. Was shocked that I was nodding out, combined with being drunk like with gaba, and the relaxing effect of hydroxyzine.
Saturday night took another 4mg,
Sunday morning took 2mg
Both of the 2 above with random large quantities of gaba+some hydroxyzine.

Now I picked up 18,000mg of gaba So that should give a rough estimate of how much I took. Now sure it could just be gaba, but I don't nod with gaba. I'm having crazy twitches, and somethings my muscles will spaz out and jerk across the room. I'm been holding the mouse and flung it several times. I took the last of my gaba/hydroxyzine/sub this morning but am still feeling it. I'm still twitching my ass off. I also hear/see things that arn't there similar to diphenhydramine, which can be expected since although hydroxyzine acts more like a benzo than a antihistamine, it still is one.

Now sure hydroxyzine potentates opiates, and gaba can mess you up without a tolerance for the first day or two of taking large doses, but it was a full on opiate nod, which I know very well. Doubt it's placebo because I wasn't expecting a nod, but who cares, I'm fucking happy, horrary

no more medicine until Wed though, the damn sub Dr flipped out on me at my last appointment. He was yelling at me and he's a psychiatrist, it's messed up. Then he threatens me saying hes going to kick me out, theres 10 other people who want my spot. WTF you're getting at least $300 a WEEK from my insurance, who knows what he charges. Not right I tell you, not right.

 

[jamesBrown]

Why did your sub doctor "flip out" on you? I hope you dont mind me asking im just curious.

 

[DeLee]

ALSO! If anyone knows a reason that this method is a lot more unsafe than others, please let me know and i'll delete or edit my post giving you credit. By unsafe I mean is it unsafe compared to other common methods like the classic drawing up through a cotton

Im not gonna say its bad or better than other methods. Though I wouldn't do it because it can never be 100% clear, other crap that is water soluble will follow into your veins.

The only way to make a safe solution is with micron filters.

I have a question, where in the mouth are the tabs absorbed best?
(Direct under the tongue, by the toothgums etc.)

 

[jamesBrown]

Im not gonna say its bad or better than other methods. Though I wouldn't do it because it can never be 100% clear, other crap that is water soluble will follow into your veins.

The only way to make a safe solution is with micron filters.

I have a question, where in the mouth are the tabs absorbed best?
(Direct under the tongue, by the toothgums etc.)

Yes, micron filters make it SOOOO much safer to IV pills such as suboxone. But, I wouldnt say that it makes it "completely safe". Allthough, its probably about as safe as it gets besides injecting solutions that were designed to be injected.
But I think its still smart to tell people that even if they use a micron filter, or take every measure to be safe when IV'ing pills, you are still putting yourself at SOME level of risk. But, I would think it would be a rare occurence if someone has an issue with a solution after micron filtering it.

 

[SkagKush]

there was a mishap today, i put my 2mg dose in my mouth, and it just vanished. i have no idea where it went, but it started in my mouth, so i dunno if i consumed it or not, so i had to take another 2mg piece. not the end of the world, cause i can just continue on tomo.

 

[jamesBrown]

there was a mishap today, i put my 2mg dose in my mouth, and it just vanished. i have no idea where it went, but it started in my mouth, so i dunno if i consumed it or not, so i had to take another 2mg piece. not the end of the world, cause i can just continue on tomo.

HAHA...sounds to me like your just subconciusly trying to give yourself an excuse to keep taking a higher dose cause your scared of the low dose...JK.

Im kidding....but seriously, isnt the suboxone supposed to "vanish" when you put it under your tounge?

 

[SkagKush]

well ya, but yesterday the 2mg chunk still took a few min. today it was in for 30 seconds and was gone, i dunno if it fell out, or i swallowed it or what. so i had to play it safe with another 2mg piece.

i left my window open last night, and the bupe is still packed away in the blister and the bottle, but maybe it got soggy making it deter faster.

 

[jamesBrown]

ha, ok.....i guess its better to play it safe.

 

[JamtasticX]

Why did your sub doctor "flip out" on you? I hope you dont mind me asking im just curious.

I've been seeing my Dr. for about 6 months, either every week or bi-weekly, and I had used once, but I called him and told him that. He made it seem like it was the end of the world even though the paper I had to sign at the beginning said that relapses are "an acceptable part of treatment" and if it happens just to call. I mean I do dope all the time but i just do it so i always pass my drug test, then I got an opportunity I couldn't refuse, too close to test, so I just called and said I used. I've done that before and it's been fine. He drops you down from 2 weeks to every 1 week if it happens. I was at 2, and got dropped to 1.

What sucks is he won't go above 2 weeks, you have to see him atleast once every 2 weeks.

He was clearly in a pissed off mood, and I doubt its because I was doing so well and then this, he's a sub Dr/psychiatrist I'm the least of his problems. Although I wait an hour or so in the waiting room, I go in, he pulls up my drug test on the computer, gives me a new appointment, and sends off my scripts, takes 2 minutes.

This guy was sooo mad though, I don't understand it. I hope it's just because he's having a bad day. I go to see him again this Wed, I just hope he forgot all about this. Doesn't matter though because my drug test will be positive for sub/negative for everything else (except kpin which will be positive-prescription), so he can't/wont kick me out. He acted as though I sold all my subs to do dope, and was out living on the street full blown rock bottom addict, not even close. Hell I did 1 shot, and if I did it the day before it would've been out of my system, I should go check the results, it was prob neg for opiates so he may have just been bullshitting me because he was mad.

I've never seen a Dr yell at me/someone before. It's not like this is a junky infested grimy methadone clinic. This is a nice Dr's office, and he's a good Dr., but I was just shocked. I'm just shocked that it happened
.

Im kidding....but seriously, isnt the suboxone supposed to "vanish" when you put it under your tounge?

Suboxone doesn't vanish lol, it takes almost a year for one pill to dissolve under the tongue, be ware.


Speaking of which:
Has anyone tried putting the sub film up their nose? I am thinking of asking my dr to switch, but a lot of people are complaining to me saying I shouldn't switch, a lot of people sniff it and don't want to waste them.

So I'm wondering shouold I ask my Dr to switch? It's prob easier to shoot but that doesn't matter. Are the stronger under the tongue and can you put them up your nose?

 

[SkagKush]

how long do u believe a opened sub is good for, if you continue to keep it in the blister. i swear this mishap has occurred due to the remains getting damp, first time thats happened to me. i could be wrong tho. i keep them double packed.

 

[jamesBrown]

Im sry, im a bit confused. you said that he had you in and out in 2 minutes.."pulls up drug test, gives new app, sends off scripts, done".....but then you say that he was yelling at you. When did he have time to yell at you.? And what did he say? I would imagine that the things he was yelling at you about would give you insight as to why he was sooo mad.