Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

[curlygurl1980]

what this about euphoria and suboxone

hello everyone. i have been reading quite a few different things here and there about taking smaller amounts of suboxone and feeling euphoria or something to that effect. i take 16mg a day (two 8mg pills) 1 in the morninng 1 in the evening. i never ever get a buzz from it at all. i never have it just makes me feel normal. which is fine with me it serves its purpose. i am curious though what people r talking about could someone please explain this to me.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

There are better effects at lower doses.

You can read about this in the Suboxone Mega Thread (which is where I'm merging this to).

It took me a while until I tapered down to a low enough dose and I felt euphoria from buprenorphine, so it's not an overnight process. But with time you'll get there.

 

[lightitup]

I'm almost to the point of trying this stuff. I keep trying to kick but a few days in I always want that opiate...

I'm just curious if it really does satisfy the cravings for you, or if it is still just like trying to quit? I feel like it would be easier to do cold turkey and just work on never wanting an opiate again, if i am still going to be craving often. Then I just feel like I'm addicted to another pill (already addicted to benzo's) for no reason almost.

I'm just wondering how helpful it really is for you guys. I see a lot of you still IV it, which if it isn't giving you some kind of relief from cravings I don't see a point in...

I dunno, I just was reading through the threads and my psychiatrist who knows the issues I am dealing with suggested this to me, but I am weary to try. I have just heard horror stories about methadone (compounding addictions, still craving their DOC) and I don't know what to think. Sorry if this is a really broad post, I'm just so confused and don't know where to begin about my questions...

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I'm almost to the point of trying this stuff. I keep trying to kick but a few days in I always want that opiate...

I'm just curious if it really does satisfy the cravings for you, or if it is still just like trying to quit? I feel like it would be easier to do cold turkey and just work on never wanting an opiate again, if i am still going to be craving often. Then I just feel like I'm addicted to another pill (already addicted to benzo's) for no reason almost.

I'm just wondering how helpful it really is for you guys. I see a lot of you still IV it, which if it isn't giving you some kind of relief from cravings I don't see a point in...

I dunno, I just was reading through the threads and my psychiatrist who knows the issues I am dealing with suggested this to me, but I am weary to try. I have just heard horror stories about methadone (compounding addictions, still craving their DOC) and I don't know what to think. Sorry if this is a really broad post, I'm just so confused and don't know where to begin about my questions...

Suboxone was very helpful for me, because I would have probably never been able to quit cold turkey. I have gotten through the physical WD's, and weeks later I would relapse. For me, Suboxone gave me time to work on reducing my cravings so now I know I won't relapse again.

When I was taking Suboxone sublingually it didn't work for me, and I ended up using heroin time and time again. When I got to IVing buprenorphine, I no longer craved heroin in the same way, and buprenorphine is a lot more satisfying/effective for me that way.

 

[30roxi30]

ive got some generic subutex and most times i sniff my subs for the fact i dont feel much from IV.... But i do enjoy IV once in a while with these generic subutex there is never anything left in the spoon after filtering (with just a cotton ive never used a micron filter) Its almost like id be better off just cold shaking them cause there nothing left in the spoon but a very thin clear layer but i always get a clear solution..... with suboxone it seemed there would be pill binders left over

I know its bad not to use a micron filter but i always filter the best i can ..tight cottons and fiter a few times .. when i IV subs ill do about 2 to 4 mgs at a time . I never feel a rush or anything but i just get urges to shoot up once and a while ..

...i can only imagine all the binders going into my blood steam... does anyone else feel that the generic subutex is worst to shoot and have this prob???

 

[lightitup]

Suboxone was very helpful for me, because I would have probably never been able to quit cold turkey. I have gotten through the physical WD's, and weeks later I would relapse. For me, Suboxone gave me time to work on reducing my cravings so now I know I won't relapse again.

When I was taking Suboxone sublingually it didn't work for me, and I ended up using heroin time and time again. When I got to IVing buprenorphine, I no longer craved heroin in the same way, and buprenorphine is a lot more satisfying/effective for me that way.

Thanks for the quick reply. I'm trying to cut needles out of my life completely, regardless of the helpfulness. Does it work well for people sublingually, or even insufflated in low doses sometimes? I want euphoria, but at a low level that is manageable.

Would it be worth a try before I try methadone? I am not completely ready to cut opiates out of my life forever it seems, but I want to stop this whole game and get my life back on the right track.

 

[curlygurl1980]

suboxone has absolutley channged my life absolutley!! i have not had a single craving i am serious i was also once an iv drug user never suboxone its been years ago. i have been on and off opiates for 10 years and have done the methadone thing yes u will get addicted to suboxone but u know what some people i beleive with their twisted addict mind will always need something. for me its like i know i have my medicine every single day u know. i do not get high at all and take it sublingually. u should go for it in my opinion metahadone is just another way to get high if that is not what u r wanting and u just want to live a normal life then suboxone is absolutley the way to go!!! good luck

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Thanks for the quick reply. I'm trying to cut needles out of my life completely, regardless of the helpfulness. Does it work well for people sublingually, or even insufflated in low doses sometimes? I want euphoria, but at a low level that is manageable.

Would it be worth a try before I try methadone? I am not completely ready to cut opiates out of my life forever it seems, but I want to stop this whole game and get my life back on the right track.

I understand what you mean. Suboxone does work well for people with all various ROA's, some people report great results with sublingual, snorting, and plugging.

When I was addicted to heroin I mostly snorted it, and I didn't want to damage my nose anymore. I don't really have a problem with using needles so that is manageable for me, but I understand why people strive to not use needles and that is a very manageable goal to have with Suboxone.

Yes, going on Suboxone first is the wisest choice. It is easier to take methadone after Suboxone, than vice versa.

 

[30roxi30]

Thanks for the quick reply. I'm trying to cut needles out of my life completely, regardless of the helpfulness. Does it work well for people sublingually, or even insufflated in low doses sometimes? I want euphoria, but at a low level that is manageable.

Would it be worth a try before I try methadone? I am not completely ready to cut opiates out of my life forever it seems, but I want to stop this whole game and get my life back on the right track.

i mostly sniff my subs and sometimes IV .. people can call it abusing but when you can get buy on such a low dose why not? your still getting better and helping yourself get off drugs

if i were you i would def try suboxone before jumping on methadone ..what do you have to lose ? .. you mite not like how suboxone feels or controls your cravings but thats the worst that will happen... it seems to work with most people .. i know im a walking relapse and could never do it cold turkey and i still do my opiates when i can afford them but sub def holds me and one day i know ill be abe to get clean with them ...

i would always suggest suboxone to someone before methadone .. ive seen so many people go on methadone and just stay on it and keep upping there dose cause all clinics allow it ... if i were on methadone i to would prob end up like most people i know on 200+ mg a day ...plus they have to get up every morning and drive to a clinic

i say always try sub before methadone

 

[lightitup]

Thanks everyone. It has been on my mind for a while, and I think I will just bite the bullet and call a doctor on monday.

If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. It can't be any worse than just constantly relapsing and such. I am already in therapy to help address the problems, and I'm really trying to go the right way. Thanks again

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Thanks everyone. It has been on my mind for a while, and I think I will just bite the bullet and call a doctor on monday.

If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. It can't be any worse than just constantly relapsing and such. I am already in therapy to help address the problems, and I'm really trying to go the right way. Thanks again

No problem!

I was so relieved when I finally was out of the doctor's office and was on Suboxone for the first time, I was still somewhat in WD but life was bearable. I was able to sleep at night. I was able to get around the next day without a lot of anxiety.

Suboxone works well for a lot of people, though not for everybody. So best of luck and let us know how it goes for you!

 

[Basic Base]

SUBOXONE Sublingual Film BetteR BA than Tablets

Here is a tasty little nugget i found from the insert in the new Suboxone Film Formulation. http://www.suboxone.com/hcp/suboxone_film/Default.aspx
Seems like they have a better bioavailibility than the tabs. Here is a section from the insert talking about the switch from one to the other.

2.6 Switching between SUBOXONE (buprenorphine and naloxone) Sublingual
Tablets and SUBOXONE Sublingual Film
Patients being switched between SUBOXONE (buprenorphine and naloxone)
sublingual tablets and SUBOXONE sublingual film should be started on the same dosage
as the previously administered product. However, dosage adjustments may be necessary
when switching between products. Because of the potentially greater relative bioavail ability
of SUBOXONE sublingual film compared to SUBOXONE (buprenorphine and naloxone)
sublingual tablets, patients switching from SUBOXONE (buprenorphine and naloxone) sublingual
tablets to SUBOXONE sublingual film should be monitored for over-medication.
Those switching from SUBOXONE sublingual film to SUBOXONE (buprenorphine and
naloxone) sublingual tablets should be monitored for withdrawal or other indications of
under-dosing. In clinical studies, pharmacokinetics of SUBOXONE sublingual film was
similar to the respective dosage strengths of SUBOXONE (buprenorphine and naloxone)
sublingual tablets, although not all doses and dose combinations met bioequivalence
criteria.
3 DOSAGE FORMS AND STRENGTHS
SUBOXONE sublingual film is supplied as an orange rectangular sublingual film with a
white printed logo in two dosage strengths:
• buprenorphine/naloxone 2 mg/0.5 mg, and
• buprenorphine/naloxone 8 mg/2 mg.

I'm interested to try these, although i have no intention of doing them sublingually.

 

[SkagKush]

yes i actually just read this yesterday....... i wonder how much more exactly... it said only a possible higher bio a.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I love how we all shoot fucking bupe and like to play our selfs and say its better then heroin.... I mean it is better then dope in the sence that we have a constant supply will never run out thus never b sick... and we still get a high from bupe but its one that doesnt impair you to the point you dont do what u need to and it wont cause you to b around those druggy people. but I notice to some point i am stil stuck in that DRug cycle.

I hate the fact that I have to get my shit at a clinic around a bunch of people in all stages of recovery. I find it funny that i have so well played myself into believeing that since i shot subs its not really that bad since im not feinding for it ect. but lets all b real this is sooo not healthy its not normal it keeps us in the drug cycle and I dono if subs were good or bad i know they got me away from drugs to a point and i dont think ill pick up heroin again but as i say all of this i know ive still kept the numbers i shouldnt have and still shoot my fucking texs its kinda a joke to try and say im sober.

It's healthy if you micron filter.

ANd CAPTAIN.Heroin please please do not change my post at all I really have no place I could expres s this to find anwsers but here. Becaue Theres no way i could talk to my theropist about this ect.. ????@@@###

I don't change people's posts unless they post prices or are overly offensive to users, break the rules, etc.

 

[SubDude]

Yes, going on Suboxone first is the wisest choice. It is easier to take methadone after Suboxone, than vice versa.

Well said.... I'm one who did the opposite and have never felt completely right since switching to subs. On methadone I was OK with no other opiates or pot, and only occasional [7-8 monthly] benzo use. On subs... I use benzo, pot alcohol, and occasional oxys. I suspect I wouldn't have those cravings if I went to subs first. That doesn't even take into account the induction from meth to subs... which was about 3-4 days of hell.... and another few mos adjusting.

 

[SubDude]

i would always suggest suboxone to someone before methadone .. ive seen so many people go on methadone and just stay on it and keep upping there dose cause all clinics allow it ... if i were on methadone i to would prob end up like most people i know on 200+ mg a day ...plus they have to get up every morning and drive to a clinic

i say always try sub before methadone

I agree with trying subs first but it isn't for everyone especially for people who plan on long-term maintenance and continue to have cravings and use opiates while on subs. I was on MMT for 15+ yrs and got weekly take homes after a few mos and 28 day take homes after a couple of yrs. Most of the MMT patients I knew were on less than 120mg and had no use for any other opiates.

 

[yo_bot]

Regarding the Suboxone Film

what would be the price of these compared to the tablets?

 

[homeydontplaythat]

james brown, how do you know the bupe in the strips is water sol? or rather, how do you know there isnt a gelling reaction when they hit water. hmmm?

 

[jamesBrown]

james brown, how do you know the bupe in the strips is water sol? or rather, how do you know there isnt a gelling reaction when they hit water. hmmm?

I know my answer isn't going to satisy everyone but....

...I know this because

1. When my doctor showed me the packaging for the new strips and was talking about them too me he said....."....don't worry both the pill and the new strips are going to be available....but the DEA likes the strips better because you can't chop them up and snort them like some people do, allthough you can still dissolve them in water to inject...."

and

2. I was researching it on the web a couple days ago and came across a website which had a "report" on a study done with the strips, and somewhere in all that mumbo jumbo science talk I found some info that pretty much said that the strips dissolve in water(in fact I think it said they dessolve in most common solvents....but maybe not). Unfortunately I didnt save the link to the website like I normally do(i was on alot of klonopin), so I will try to find it now and then edit this post with the link on it....sry....:/

I know those arent exactly perfect "sources" for my argument but it makes me pretty hopeful that they in fact WILL dissolve in water, allowing for IV use.

 

[supermarket]

Guys, I really have a serious question here. Today is day 5 on subs, and I'm still experiencing minor w/d symptoms from my DOC, oxycodone (roxi). My doseage was 200-300mg per day, and now I'm taking about 8-10mg of sub a day.

I'm experiencing tremors, hot/cold flashes, sweating, and my mind is clouded similar to when in WDs.

Does subs just not work for some people? I've been through several sub stints, and for some reason, although in the past it managed to "hold" me, it always made me feel very uncomfortable, awkward, and in general disgusting.

Is it just a bad reaction? Should I still be experiencing these symptoms? My doc that prescribes seems more clueless than I am, and has only really been dealing w/ subs for a year or so now, with mixed results in diff people.

I was prescribed 8mg a day, but I want to do as little as possible. He gave me 10 tablets for a week just in case I need more, but I always hear the "less is more" motto on here.

I'm so close to just switching back to my DOC and trying to taper, even though I know its so incredibly hard for me