Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

[Cameo]

Quick question which Im sure has been answered somewhere in this thread, I just havent seen it. Can you get withdrawels from suboxone? If so, what are they and how bad are they.

 

[stray cat]

Quick question which Im sure has been answered somewhere in this thread, I just havent seen it. Can you get withdrawels from suboxone? If so, what are they and how bad are they.

yes. like normal opiate withdrawal except they last longer but can be slightly milder. if u taper down to a very low dose over a long period of time, you can really minimize them. also, like other opiates (full or in this case partial agonist), it takes a little while to become physically dependent. also, utfse. ha

 

[Cameo]

Can you also build a tolerance to Suboxone to a point where it doesnt make you feel anything whatsoever? Im not even sure if Im making sense.

 

[jamesBrown]

Can you also build a tolerance to Suboxone to a point where it doesnt make you feel anything whatsoever? Im not even sure if Im making sense.

you can build a tolerance to suboxone to where all it does it make you feel normal...but you should be taking very small doses of sub instead of doses that will eventually lead to tolerance..

I take 0.5 mg shots and they feel much more euphoric than any other shot with a higher dose. And when i go even lower dose than that it feels even more euphoric.

So developing a tolerance to bupe shouldnt be an issue...just take tiny doses and you will feel GREAT and euphoric and not have to worrk about withdrawals/dependancy.

 

[Georgie25]

I've started taking lower doses (around .50mg-.75mg range) and notice a lot better results so far and less side effects. Was wondering how much units of water you use James? Like for a .50mg shot I use around 35-40 units of water in a 1cc syringe and find that works fine but have heard of people using a lot of water for some reason?

 

[jamesBrown]

I use,on average, for a 0.5 mg shot of suboxone, about 60 - 70 units. theres no particular reason for this, its jsut ive noticed it dossilves fine in that amount of water. I dont undertand people who put so much importance on exactly how much water they use. It doesnt really make much of a difference as long as its not WAAAY too much or WAAY too little....know what I mean?

you will get the same effects no matter if you use 30-40 units or if you use 80-90 units...as long as your still using the same amount of suboxone...you will get the same results.

It doesnt really matter.

 

[Cameo]

Are you guys using heat at all when IVing? I saw the steps on how to do it, it said nothing about using heat, but I wanted to ask just to be sure.

 

[jamesBrown]

NO DO NOT USE HEAT WHEN IV'ing Ssuboxone!!!!...all that does is dissolve more fillers and binders into the solution. buprenorphine dissolves freely in water on its own, it doesnt need heat. Allthough heat adds energy to the solution which helps the suboxone dissolve quicker, but its not necessary...just take more time shaking the spoon until it all dissolves....that way you will have less cut in the solution....also, when i did add heat to the suboxone solution it was only for about 3 seconds tops, not enough for it to even come close to boiling, it was just to help add energy which helped speed up the process of the bupe being dissolved in water....but its defitely not necessary....and its very dangerous....so dont do it

 

[Cameo]

Ok, I have one more question and Ill stop being a buggaboo. Does Suboxone show up on a 5 panel drug test?

 

[rocksonboxone]

Ok, I have one more question and Ill stop being a buggaboo. Does Suboxone show up on a 5 panel drug test?

Google could have answered this one for you But no, a standard 5 panel does not test for bupe. However there are tests specifically for bupe. My sub doc does the bupe test to insure his patients are still using there suboxone...
Also I think there is something in the BLUA that says you are not supposed to ask about drug testing...

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I've started taking lower doses (around .50mg-.75mg range) and notice a lot better results so far and less side effects. Was wondering how much units of water you use James? Like for a .50mg shot I use around 35-40 units of water in a 1cc syringe and find that works fine but have heard of people using a lot of water for some reason?

I am currently diluting my solution to 0.26...mg/mL, so that 0.5mg would fit in 2 mL. However, the only reason I dilute it that much is because I only use ten units per shot.

0.5mg should fit fine in 35 to 40 units of water.

Glad to hear a lower dose is working better for you.

Are you guys using heat at all when IVing? I saw the steps on how to do it, it said nothing about using heat, but I wanted to ask just to be sure.

No heat. Buprenorphine dissolves into cold water just fine.

Ok, I have one more question and Ill stop being a buggaboo. Does Suboxone show up on a 5 panel drug test?

We don't do drug testing questions at Bluelight.

 

[HeavyHanded]

SO, I went to my sub doc today (sounds like they'll take my insurance thanks to everyone that helped out with that) and the Reckit pharm rep was there to see the doc. He relayed to me what they were discussing and it's pretty interesting, thought I'd share it with you guys.

Reckit has manufactured a new form of suboxone and it's called suboxone film, it will be available at most pharmacies as of September 20th. The film is like those listerine tongue strips. Apparently it tastes better and dissolves sublingually in a fraction of the time. This is news to me, has anyone else heard of this?

Apparently they decided to produce this new form in order to hold on to the rights to suboxone and block other pharm companies from being allowed to manufacture generics when that time comes, and my doc made it sound like that time would be soon. I dont know if that means there will be no generic subs, or if there will only be generic tabs and Reckit held out on releasing the new form of the drug until the last minute so they would maintain control of the market by being the only ones with the "new improved" form.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

 

[Cameo]

Google could have answered this one for you But no, a standard 5 panel does not test for bupe. However there are tests specifically for bupe. My sub doc does the bupe test to insure his patients are still using there suboxone...
Also I think there is something in the BLUA that says you are not supposed to ask about drug testing...

Oh...sorry about that. And about the google thing, I have a virus on my pc that when I google or search for things period, my computer sends me to all kinds of weird sites that have nothing to do with what im searching for. I found BL by googling info on suboxone, but I couldnt get here by using it, I just got the website from it. But, Im sorry about the drug testing question. I had no idea.

 

[Bupe]

more frequently, and I don't think tolerance will become an issue. I think tolerance to buprenorphine is more dose-dependent (meaning IVing 2mg in one go *would* raise my tolerance), so if you stick to a certain dosage, there shouldn't be any tolerance to the effects.

In fact, I almost find repeated dosing yields better results, probably because there's a steady level of buprenorphine constantly going into and then out of your body. Continuing this cycle is what yields euphoria to me.

If I haven't done buprenorphine in a while, and I do it, the high is seemingly no better to me. By the 2nd shot I start to "feel better" so to speak.


Maybe if I injected more than just 26 mcg this would be the case for me too?

That's my suspicion at least. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

cool well dose that mean i shouldnt expect much more?

 

[Captain.Heroin]

SO, I went to my sub doc today (sounds like they'll take my insurance thanks to everyone that helped out with that) and the Reckit pharm rep was there to see the doc. He relayed to me what they were discussing and it's pretty interesting, thought I'd share it with you guys.

Reckit has manufactured a new form of suboxone and it's called suboxone film, it will be available at most pharmacies as of September 20th. The film is like those listerine tongue strips. Apparently it tastes better and dissolves sublingually in a fraction of the time. This is news to me, has anyone else heard of this?

Apparently they decided to produce this new form in order to hold on to the rights to suboxone and block other pharm companies from being allowed to manufacture generics when that time comes, and my doc made it sound like that time would be soon. I dont know if that means there will be no generic subs, or if there will only be generic tabs and Reckit held out on releasing the new form of the drug until the last minute so they would maintain control of the market by being the only ones with the "new improved" form.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

If I go back to my doctor, I hope I don't get that stuff... unless I knew the inactive ingredients, and knew it essentially could be used the same way Suboxone can. If it could, then knowing this, it probably has less inactives by weight.... HMM....

I wonder when we'll see a list of inactive ingredients for this product. I also wonder if this is going to be a buprenorphine-only product, or if it will also contain naloxone. If it doesn't have naloxone it won't catch on as heavily and I know it won't be coming my way at all.

cool well dose that mean i shouldnt expect much more?

That's a tough question to answer because buprenorphine varies so much person to person, but for me, the effects were better at a lower dose. So after a while the effects might get better, especially if you titrate the dose down a little.

It may not though, some people have said they don't get better effects at lower doses (I remember this is what Eight0Eight reported), so yeah.

I know IV buprenorphine for people without an opiate tolerance is surprisingly euphoric (I know one person who liked it more than the one time they did heroin, interestingly enough).

 

[rocksonboxone]

SO, I went to my sub doc today (sounds like they'll take my insurance thanks to everyone that helped out with that) and the Reckit pharm rep was there to see the doc. He relayed to me what they were discussing and it's pretty interesting, thought I'd share it with you guys.

Reckit has manufactured a new form of suboxone and it's called suboxone film, it will be available at most pharmacies as of September 20th. The film is like those listerine tongue strips. Apparently it tastes better and dissolves sublingually in a fraction of the time. This is news to me, has anyone else heard of this?

Apparently they decided to produce this new form in order to hold on to the rights to suboxone and block other pharm companies from being allowed to manufacture generics when that time comes, and my doc made it sound like that time would be soon. I dont know if that means there will be no generic subs, or if there will only be generic tabs and Reckit held out on releasing the new form of the drug until the last minute so they would maintain control of the market by being the only ones with the "new improved" form.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

That could end up either good or bad for IV users, and some intranasal users that feel they rather snort powder than a nice solution8)

On the other hand though, if the strips are big enough to divide to small doses and dissolve, that could actually be more efficient and there would be ALOT less binders and crap to worry about.
As long as they are not too small, if they make tiny strips like some of the generic bupe tabs, then anyone who uses less would get have some trouble.

Or, even if the strips are tiny, you could dissolve one 8mg strip in 2ml of water and have 4mg/ml doses, then just take half that for 2mg and IV...

 

[jamesBrown]

yea but what about those of us who use under 0.3 mg a shot? That would suck.

 

[HeavyHanded]

My Dr. said they'd be about 1.5 inches by an inch.

I figured IV users and snorters might not like this much, depending obviously, but some good could come out of this yet for everyone. If it means generics are coming, and the generics are on par with suboxone and have similar inactives and such, that means it's gonna be cheaper for everyone. And people that take it sublingually or WANT to take it sublingually but can't cuz they don't like the taste, also win.

CH- Doc told me that the tablets would still be available, and that drs will have to write specifically on the script "Suboxone Film" or the pharm will dispense you tabs. Also, I'm just speculating here, but my guess is the film WILL have naloxone in it. My reasoning is that my Dr made it sound like the new version had more to do with keeping a brand name and fighting generics than anything else, and if that's the case they'd have to keep the active ingredients the same. I think.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

My Dr. said they'd be about 1.5 inches by an inch.

I figured IV users and snorters might not like this much, depending obviously, but some good could come out of this yet for everyone. If it means generics are coming, and the generics are on par with suboxone and have similar inactives and such, that means it's gonna be cheaper for everyone. And people that take it sublingually or WANT to take it sublingually but can't cuz they don't like the taste, also win.

CH- Doc told me that the tablets would still be available, and that drs will have to write specifically on the script "Suboxone Film" or the pharm will dispense you tabs. Also, I'm just speculating here, but my guess is the film WILL have naloxone in it. My reasoning is that my Dr made it sound like the new version had more to do with keeping a brand name and fighting generics than anything else, and if that's the case they'd have to keep the active ingredients the same. I think.

If it's about keeping patents, it is most likely it won't have naloxone. The current generics for buprenorphine don't have naloxone in them (they are generics for Subutex). That's just me speculating though.

yea but what about those of us who use under 0.3 mg a shot? That would suck.

It would be easier to liquid measure it anyways.

 

[HeavyHanded]

If it's about keeping patents, it is most likely it won't have naloxone. The current generics for buprenorphine don't have naloxone in them (they are generics for Subutex). That's just me speculating though.

Right, right, I'm just speculating too. But my theory was they are preempting the imminent market for generic Suboxone-Suboxone being bupe and naloxone, as opposed to Subutex-just bupe. I guess we'll find out in a little less than a month here.

UPDATE: Just found this. It will have naloxone. Looks like it just got approval yesterday.

http://www.medpagetoday.com/ProductAlert/Prescriptions/21990