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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

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What's the time until onset like with the rectal ROA with just water? If it's too long for your taste I would try diluting alcohol with water (just alcohol being plugged would probably burn like hell!) - if you are happy with it, then you are probably good to go.
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The initial onset is fairly quick, within probably 40 seconds. It gives a slight rush, but it's nowhere near as good as IV'ing it. The IV route gives a way better/more intense rush. =D
 
I forgot to ask in my last post but I think they gave me a drug screening I dont know if thats diffrent then a drug test. I know I slipped up two times on xanax after my dad told me he has lung cancer he knew he had it 6 months before he told me.


After he told me I slipped up and bought some xanax but that was like 6 months ago but I have heard of these drug tests that can find out if you took some drugs 6 months ago so I have been worried that hes going to get the results back and find out i took xanax a while ago and if thats going to happen then Im going to save my suboxone this month so if he kicks me out Ill still have some.
 
Ashley26 said:
so I stepped off the Subs for about 20 pills of Oxy 40's, whcih didn't last very long, and I'm back on the subs.

I'm on day 2 and I feel pretty crappy still. usually I'm good to go after day 2. I guess it's the going back and forth. Gotta cut that shit out.

I'm really craving today though :( I've already taken like 16mg today too.

Hoping it will pass soon.
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Sorry to hear that Ashley! I used to switch back and forth a lot when I was using it sublingually.

It should pass soon; good luck! Hopefully by day 3-5 you will be feeling better.

In other news, I have successfully tapered down to 20mcg to 28mcg per dose. I feel back to normal already. I am pretty satisfied with the level of use I am at now, and will probably taper even lower as time goes on.

As for how many units I am using, I am down to 5 to 7 units per shot (for the lowest concentration I made - the higher concentration would be 2 or 3 units).
 
suboxone maintenance - those who've done it

alright so this is my problem, ive been on a waiting list for almost 2 months and im seeing the doc this week, trouble is ive managed to bring my tolerance down to basically no withdrawal with a little codeine (like 100mg, im one of those that dont get very severe w/d thank god), but i go on week long binges where i do anywhere from 100-200mg of morphine iv or 80-240mg of oxy snorted per day, which is why i maintain with a little codeine, im wondering if ill get anything out of the suboxone or if im jus gonna cause more problems .
 
basically i could get off at any point but i stll binge hard so should i still get on subs while i can?
 
If you want to get off opiates it can be helpful for some, while vise versa for others. You will not be sick if thats what your asking, but you have me a little confused.

Suboxone is powerful enough to help remove the cravings. Even your tolerance when you binge doesn't sounds too bad.

But if you're tired of that opiate/broke lifestyle than I'd highly recommend getting a script.

Also, this thread has everything you could ever imagine regarding Suboxone/Subutex. You should know this http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=508590
 
By saying "I'm one of those people who don't get severe w/d's" makes it sound like you don't have a problem serious enough in which you need suboxone intervention. Believe me, there really is no such thing as being immune to w/d's. Use long enough and they will be severe.

If you want to go on suboxone that really is your choice and you can just go to a doctor and get a script. But ask yourself this: is it really necessary and worth diving into total dependency? Because from what it sounds like, you're not quite there yet.
 
The severity of your withdrawals shouldn't be the determining factor here in my eyes. The reason to get on suboxone for most is because they struggle with craving to the point where they simply can't stay completely off opioids.

My best suggestion is to get on sub and address the issues in your life that lead to your use. Seek some assessment and treatment and use the sub while you're transitioning to a sober life.

I'm studying to get into addiction counseling so if you'd like to know more about the process, have any questions, etc please feel free to PM me.


----> sub mega thread
 
ive been using bupe (about 8-12mg) daily for about 2-3 months. got it down tho so that 1mg will hold me. if i jump off now will i get shitty withdrawals or what? just took 400mg dhc now after 3 days of abstinence (which hasnt been toooo bad) and am feeling gooood also; just thought id share that, but it might be helpful as to my tolerance.

cheers
 
thanks for the reply cane thats what i was thinking i just wanted some input, and dopefiend i previously had a tolerance big enough to handle 5 50mcg patches in a day and never puked from w/d so yeah, severity depends on the person
 
hi suboxone megathread!

i've been using ~.5mg daily for a few days to come off of oxy. i am not on maintenance long-term and do not want to become addicted to suboxone. i have been craving fairly badly today though. would it be worth it to try insufflating a higher dose of sub, like 2mg or so? or would that just make it harder to taper off and avoid a buprenorphine addiction w/out producing any noticeable additional euphoria? i'm not really experiencing physical w/d or anything; i just really want to do opiates right now and figure doing more bupe is a better option than the alternative.

thanks a lot, and i really appreciate anyone's input :)
 
still trying to figure out what my "right" dose is on Subs. I took 4mg this morning and that held me until about 2:30pm then I started to feel sick again. So I took 2mg. Didn't really do anything. About an hour ago I took about 4mg and I'm feeling MUCH better.

This is only day 3 and I remember the last round I did this I started to need less dosage after Day 3, so hopfully it will become less. I'd like to be on 2mg a day max
 
For those of you that have been on Subs long-term, is there really much of a difference between 16mg and 6mg, for example?

I've heard of people dropping their dose in half and having no ill effects.

I'd like to stretch my script out by taking less.

How low can one reasonably go if they have been taking 12-16mg per day for the last 2-3 months?
 
axe battler said:
in my not so massive experience you can totally lower that. you can always take more if needed. i find that once your 'on' bupe, there's only normality or withdrawals. i went from 12mg (about a month, daily) to 4mg the next day and still felt ok
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Did you stay at 4mg after that and if so, for how long?

I know that Bupe has a long half-life, so dropping from 12mg to 4mg for just one day probably won't have any adverse effects, especially if the user goes back to 12mg. the next day and remains at that dose.

What I'm wondering is if anyone has dropped from 12mg to 4mg and stayed at 4mg for an extended period of time without any adverse effects.

Thanks.
 
stray cat said:
hi suboxone megathread!

i've been using ~.5mg daily for a few days to come off of oxy. i am not on maintenance long-term and do not want to become addicted to suboxone. i have been craving fairly badly today though. would it be worth it to try insufflating a higher dose of sub, like 2mg or so? or would that just make it harder to taper off and avoid a buprenorphine addiction w/out producing any noticeable additional euphoria? i'm not really experiencing physical w/d or anything; i just really want to do opiates right now and figure doing more bupe is a better option than the alternative.

thanks a lot, and i really appreciate anyone's input :)
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to answer my own question, i ended up doing that w/ only like another 1mg yesterday afternoon, and it totally killed my cravings for oxy and surprisingly got me pretty high. the only problem today is that now i'm actually starting to crave doing larger amounts of bupe instead of oxy, lol. from what i gather, going much higher than 1 or 2 mg a day won't be particularly useful in the long or short term though, and i probably won't be able to replicate that feeling for more than a few days... ha, i just can't decide if i want to try to "feel it" again today though w/ 1-2mgs or continue on my original taper plan (back down to .5 and decrease to nothing over a couple more days) before i get independently addicted to the suboxone.
 
I'm on day 4 and I've already taken 8mg today and still don't feel great. Last time I went through Suboxone I was only needing 2mg by the second day :(

I dunno why this time is different, it was only 3 months ago
 
ashley: were you using larger doses this time than when you were previously? alternatively, have u been switching back and forth a lot?

obviously in the first scenario, it could take more to hold you this time if you were using more. in the second, it seems like others have a harder time getting back on sub when they have been going back and forth b/t that and a full agonist. i personally don't have that much experience w/ buprenorphine, but i have been going back and forth a little bit over the last few weeks (my gf just started maintenance so subs are around the house), and i did notice this last time that it took me slightly more when i switched back, but it was still only like 1mg or so.

edit: i meant to add, though, that my gf and i were doing about the same amounts- if anything i had been doing more for longer, and it took her like 12mgs the first day and she can't go below 4-6mgs period (i think she might just be addicted to compulsively using drugs throughout the day but whatev), while the most i've ever done in a day is 1.5mg or so yesterday. so who knows with this stuff...
 
To answer your question I was using a bit more. I've been going back and forth between subs and oxy for a few months now but never at the same time really. I've had 12 mg today and I'm still haivng body temp issues. I'm sweaty a lot and am having bad night sweats. I know its only day 4 but by this time last round of subs I only needed 2mg in the morning and 2 at night. I just don't wanna be on a huge dose is all :(
 
I haven't read the entire thread, but I did notice a lot of questions asking "How soon can I go (back) on Subs after using my DOC?"

It depends on the drug, how long it's been used, and other factors.

The best way is to wait until you feel physical W/D symptoms from your DOC, and then take a very small amount of Subs, usually 1/10th or even less of your normal Sub dose.

That way, if you go into Precipitated Withdrawals, they won't be as long lasting or as severe if you were to take your full Sub dose too soon.

If you don't go into PW's after an hour or so, then it should be safe to go ahead and take the rest of your usual Sub dose, although you may still want to proceed carefully.

Also, jumping back and forth between your DOC and Subs will become more and more difficult and the Subs less effective the more often one switches back and forth between the two.
 
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